JLowe Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 I mean, what is more important to a business, the number of tickets sold or papering thousands of people to fill the stands? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 18 minutes ago, Curt McGirt said: I'm reading a book about an attempted assassination of Margaret Thatcher by the IRA and they had a trial run over a Bank Holiday Weekend. Now I'm imagining them doing it during an All In. Who would they be trying to assassinate at All In? So many possibilities. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raziel Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 24 minutes ago, JLowe said: I mean, what is more important to a business, the number of tickets sold or papering thousands of people to fill the stands? I mean, at the end of the day, Sold is more important. You buy the tickets, they have the money whether you show up or not (unless you're a moron and astroturfed the numbers buying it all yourself, which obviously Tony did NOT do.). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 (edited) Who would be a British Protestant heel in the fed? I mean in the E you got Wade Barrett right there. EDIT: You even have Devitt who could be a hardline Northern Irish Protestant who hates the Papist horde to the south Edited September 14, 2023 by Curt McGirt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godfrey Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 Is there any way to see if there were still seats available on the secondary market right up to bell time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefanie Sparkleface Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 Unused, sold tickets are more common than you think. Brokers buying tickets in bulk for travel packages that don't sell through, giving tickets away to sponsors/resellers and counting them as "sold" because they're no longer part of the economy, companies purchasing tickets to use for giveaways that the recipients don't use, those are all sold tickets that don't see the holders go through the turnstiles. Then you have the direct buyers that buy tickets and for whatever reason don't go through. Family emergency, kid got sick, car broke down, mass transit issue, passport issue, whatever. It happens. I have no doubts they legitimately moved that many tickets, but how those tickets were counted is basically picking nits. If the turnstile count is within 85-90% of your ticket distribution, you did pretty good. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 A lot of us grew up in the era where the local TV station or sponsor would buy tickets to lift that weeks potential NFL blackout. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godfrey Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 31 minutes ago, Sparkleface said: Unused, sold tickets are more common than you think. Brokers buying tickets in bulk for travel packages that don't sell through, giving tickets away to sponsors/resellers and counting them as "sold" because they're no longer part of the economy, companies purchasing tickets to use for giveaways that the recipients don't use, those are all sold tickets that don't see the holders go through the turnstiles. Then you have the direct buyers that buy tickets and for whatever reason don't go through. Family emergency, kid got sick, car broke down, mass transit issue, passport issue, whatever. It happens. I have no doubts they legitimately moved that many tickets, but how those tickets were counted is basically picking nits. If the turnstile count is within 85-90% of your ticket distribution, you did pretty good. I'll take your word for it but almost 11000 seats doesn't seem like picking nits to me, that's more than the attendance at most other AEW shows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Commander Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 1 hour ago, Curt McGirt said: Who would be a British Protestant heel in the fed? I mean in the E you got Wade Barrett right there. Time for a bidding war to determine which org pushes Orange Order Zack Sabre Jr (which might be a funnier idea considering ZSJ’s publicly known convictions) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefanie Sparkleface Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 (edited) 54 minutes ago, Godfrey said: I'll take your word for it but almost 11000 seats doesn't seem like picking nits to me, that's more than the attendance at most other AEW shows When you get into audience sizes of that scale, it is. Heck, most professional football games will announce "sellouts" but the turnstile count will be half of what the sold ticket amount was, because of season tickets or giveaways not being used. The Washington football team had a 50 year "sellout" streak and there was a point where you could get seats for their games for $10 on the reseller market practically anywhere in the building because nobody was going to their games. Take a look up thread at the original article and you'll note it states most AEW events have their ticket usage around 80-90%. So if they sell out a 5,000 seat building, their average event is going to end up with 4,000-4,500 in the building. All In just scaled up their usual ticket usage ratio - rather well, actually! Tbh, when they announced 81,035 as their attendance, I expected a larger drop rate and the turnstile count to be more along the lines of 65,000, because the drop rates get bigger for larger crowds. The promoter is always going to announce the larger number, and that larger number is always going to be tickets sold. Edited September 14, 2023 by Sparkleface 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 I think it was Al Getz who was discussing when promoters would announce a house lower than the actual attendance and was usually either for tax/state commission reasons or to save on what they paid the boys. If you are paying the guys 30% based on the house, tell them it was 4,000 when it was really 5,000 and you pocket the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefanie Sparkleface Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 17 minutes ago, odessasteps said: I think it was Al Getz who was discussing when promoters would announce a house lower than the actual attendance and was usually either for tax/state commission reasons or to save on what they paid the boys. If you are paying the guys 30% based on the house, tell them it was 4,000 when it was really 5,000 and you pocket the difference. Well sure, but does anyone pay on the house anymore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabremike Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 9 hours ago, Curt McGirt said: Who would be a British Protestant heel in the fed? I mean in the E you got Wade Barrett right there. EDIT: You even have Devitt who could be a hardline Northern Irish Protestant who hates the Papist horde to the south Drew MacIntyre supports THEM (aka SEVCO), so there you go... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 9 hours ago, Curt McGirt said: Who would be a British Protestant heel in the fed? I mean in the E you got Wade Barrett right there. EDIT: You even have Devitt who could be a hardline Northern Irish Protestant who hates the Papist horde to the south Devitt's from the Republic though. Your Northern Ireland representatives would be the Finlay family. Who haven't actually stated their religious affiliation, but most people are assuming they're Proddies because they're from Carrickfergus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 2 hours ago, sabremike said: Drew MacIntyre supports THEM (aka SEVCO), so there you go... I haven't the slightest what that is. Google is telling me a security operation? I'm just digging into the history of this conflict so you have to forgive some ignorance on my part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 (edited) Edited September 15, 2023 by Dog 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabremike Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 5 minutes ago, Curt McGirt said: I haven't the slightest what that is. Google is telling me a security operation? I'm just digging into the history of this conflict so you have to forgive some ignorance on my part. It is the derisive name us Celtic supporters have for Rangers. They went bust due to financial improprieties in 2012 and was reformed with the LLC name of Sevco. Celtic= Irish Catholic, Rangers= Protestant Unionists, essentially the Irish Question playing itself out in Scotland. It is among the most violent and heated sporting rivalries on the planet. Google "Old Firm" for the whole story in more detail. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 I'm already reading about bombings and now you want me to read about football rivalries, I mean I'm pretty numb to violence but that's asking a bit much 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabremike Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 5 minutes ago, Curt McGirt said: I'm already reading about bombings and now you want me to read about football rivalries, I mean I'm pretty numb to violence but that's asking a bit much The (in)famous 90's zine Murder Can Be Fun actually did an in depth article on this in the "I Hate Sports" issue. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 (edited) Good lord. I would love to read these. Spoiler EDIT: Found it, and it's not the I Hate Sports issue, it's the one above https://archive.org/details/murder-can-be-fun-18 Edited September 15, 2023 by Curt McGirt 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 It's pretty serendipitous that you hipped me to that mag and I just got in the mail today a tape copy of Dead Infection's A Chapter of Accidents (investigate at your own risk. Disgusting cover, highly disturbing lyrics). One of the songs should have been written about the Glass Factory Tragedy in that issue. Just imagine if the vats weren't covered... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLowe Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 12 hours ago, sabremike said: The (in)famous 90's zine Murder Can Be Fun actually did an in depth article on this in the "I Hate Sports" issue. wow, first one of my friends posts a meme about rotten.com and then a Murder Can Be Fun reference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 Thanks guys, this was actually a sane conversation about the ticket "controversy" for All In. There's parts of Twitter where all I'm seeing is "TONY KHAN LIED!" it's pathetic that so many people have that much time on their hands to be picking sides in some nonexistent wrestling fed war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefanie Sparkleface Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 54 minutes ago, Niners Fan in CT said: Thanks guys, this was actually a sane conversation about the ticket "controversy" for All In. There's parts of Twitter where all I'm seeing is "TONY KHAN LIED!" it's pathetic that so many people have that much time on their hands to be picking sides in some nonexistent wrestling fed war. I can get why folks would think unused, sold tickets would be weird. I thought it was weird until I got into higher scale event production and saw we had hundreds of tickets be sold but not used and I was like "uh... do we still get their money?" (For the record, we did!) I wish I could say I was surprised by certain corners jumping straight to malice, but alas, the internet choosing the worst option seems to be what it does anymore. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godfrey Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 I dunno, making the claim it was the highest attendance ever and it turned out to be short by 10,000 can be disappointing if you think TK won’t “lie” (work) like WWE does, and it’s easy to see a through-line with the flagging attendance State-side even if the two are unrelated. That’s why I was asking if there was some way of confirming how many tickets were on the secondary market at bell time, it would put a discussion like this to rest for the Twitter reaction crowd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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