The All Encompassing Star Trek Thread

[Craig H]

Yay! The Section 31 thing is going to be a movie direct to Paramount+ and not a series. I'm not sure if that makes it easier to skip or easier to watch since there's a much smaller time investment. I just hate Michelle Yeoh's character so much.

[Raziel]

I'm pretty much down on everything Discovery that didn't have Pike and Spock around, so probably will skip Section 31.

 

It keeps getting teased but I'm hoping for a Star Trek Legacy series continuing forward.  Although I'm going to be biased and want Seven commanding the Enterprise F in it, although the Titan A makes overall sense.

[Craig H]

I have no idea if I'm in the minority or not, but I do like Jack Crusher. Other than Shaw (RIP), he's probably my favorite new character they've introduced in all of Picard. That's not exactly saying much, but it is what it is. I guess Giordi's kids are fine too. So yeah, while I wish Shaw were still alive, and I suppose there's one more chance for time travel fuckery since it is Matalas running this, I would gladly accept a series with Seven as captain.

[Craig H]

Although I say that wanting a new series to be more like Strange New Worlds than Picard or Discovery.

[Johnny Sorrow]

I like Discovery more than most folks here and I love Yeoh's character so I'm looking forward to the Section 31 movie.  

I could go on for awhile about what I love about Disco and what I don't like about it. I'll just say that the constant " dealing with trauma" storylines got to be too much and it took forever before we knew jack shit about the Bridge crew. However,  I adore Sonequa Martin-Green, Mary Wiseman, and Doug Jones. The first season Klingon stuff was a chore but I loved the Mirror Universe part. 

 

[Eivion]

My feelings on Discovery are mixed, likely leaning more towards dislike, but there are plenty of aspects I enjoy about it including Yeoh's character. I'm all for a Section 31 film though less interested in it following Yeoh surprisingly enough. 

Edited April 19, 2023 by Eivion

[Johnny Sorrow]

The Short Treks they did during the first two seasons of Disco are pretty great. The one with H. Jon Benjamin and the Tribbles is hilarious.

[Craig H]

I keep laughing to myself seeing Johnny mention Disco like he’s talking about the genre of music.

[Johnny Sorrow]

2 hours ago, Craig H said:

I keep laughing to myself seeing Johnny mention Disco like he’s talking about the genre of music.

I'm gonna get me one of this Disco t shirts the crew wear. And hopefully one of the " Cerito" shirts from Lower Decks.  

[Matt D]

I'm probably a high vote on Discovery and even that said, it's been more of a case of specific characters and scenarios working for me. I like Stamets and Culber a lot. I like Reno. I like Kovich. I liked the Pike stuff. I pretty much enjoyed the Mirror stuff and miss all forms of Lorca. I am ok with Tilly and Detmer and Ososekun. I kind of like Tarka as a villain. We love whenever Yeoh shows up. Overall, I really enjoy the idea that it's a science ship and the sort of stories/mentality that unlocks.

In general, I hate narratives where everything gets broken, like in the time jump, but I really appreciated Burnham being just this massive force for idealism in that season. I don't think it worked as well when she was pushed up like that against the mirror universe ideals or against the Section 31 ideals, but when she was up against a universe that had stopped working together and lost its way, they did a great job of showing how hope and idealism and determination and brilliance could lead the way. She really represented the ideals of the Federation there which is something that you can ONLY get with Star Trek and it's what it should all be about in the first place. So that was a big hit for me.

[Raziel]

https://youtu.be/kjWBj9CGgGI

 

They fixed the Klingons!!

Also looks like they wrap up Oona's cliffhanger pretty quick.  Which i'm ok with.  I would like this to go... NOW!

[Eivion]

The finale was fantastic and lovely way to cap off the adventures of the TNG crew. That voice cameo early on was nice to hear. After that final scene we damn well better be getting a follow up series following the crew of the "Titan."

[Raziel]

Give me Legacy!

That was fantastic.  We have to be getting Legacy now, they pushed it way too hard.

 

Also, DATA FLEW THE FUCKING ENTERPRISE-D THROUGH ON A DEATH STAR II RUN!

Edited April 20, 2023 by Raziel

[J.H.]

In case some of you don't know... post credits scene

The opening alone made me geek out. Of course I'm still qantingvanswers to what happened to Jurati/Borg Queen

James

[Johnny Sorrow]

5 hours ago, J.H. said:

In case some of you don't know... post credits scene

The opening alone made me geek out. Of course I'm still qantingvanswers to what happened to Jurati/Borg Queen

James

Matalas said that those Alt timeline Jurati Borgs are still guarding that wormhole and are not connected to the real Borg.

 

Holy shit, that was outstanding. I cried with joy the whole hour. And  Star Trek: Legacy is definitely going to happen. 

[Robert S]

Apparently that really was Walter Koenig doing the voice of Federation President Anton Chekov (also paying tribute to Anton Yelchin obviously). If I would have had to guess, Koenig would not have been in my top 50 picks of people doing a cameo on Picard.

If they go along with the Titan, sorry Enterprise G, series, they never should have killed off Shaw (unless Todd Stashwick did not want to commit for that series). The performance review of Shaw about Seven also felt weird, saying that he is a relic and the new ideas of Seven might be the future considering that Stashwick is younger than Jeri Ryan (I am actually surprised that it is only by a couple of months, I thought that Stashwick is at least five years younger than he actually is). I get that he was not talking about an age but more a mentality thing, but it still felt a bit off to me.

I thought for sure that they were going to kill off at least one of the main characters in the finale, but after the (pre-credits) final scene, they definitely took the correct choice.

[Eivion]

45 minutes ago, Robert S said:

Apparently that really was Walter Koenig doing the voice of Federation President Anton Chekov (also paying tribute to Anton Yelchin obviously). If I would have had to guess, Koenig would not have been in my top 50 picks of people doing a cameo on Picard.

Apparently they got him because he is Stashwick's neighbor. They wanted him live but sadly didn't have enough budget left for it. 

46 minutes ago, Robert S said:

The performance review of Shaw about Seven also felt weird, saying that he is a relic and the new ideas of Seven might be the future considering that Stashwick is younger than Jeri Ryan (I am actually surprised that it is only by a couple of months, I thought that Stashwick is at least five years younger than he actually is). I get that he was not talking about an age but more a mentality thing, but it still felt a bit off to me.

Keep in mind in universe Shaw probably is at least a few years older than Seven. That said, he was definitely referring to his mentality with the relic of the past talk. Shaw has been in Starfleet for 2-3 decades while Seven has only been there for a two years. 

[Johnny Sorrow]

24 minutes ago, Eivion said:

Apparently they got him because he is Stashwick's neighbor. They wanted him live but sadly didn't have enough budget left for it. 

Keep in mind in universe Shaw probably is at least a few years older than Seven. That said, he was definitely referring to his mentality with the relic of the past talk. Shaw has been in Starfleet for 2-3 decades while Seven has only been there for a two years. 

And Seven had been a Fenris Ranger, who while rouge , are on the side of good,  something Shaw brought up in an early episode in a dismissive way. That's the kind of thing that really ties all the threads together. Shaw privately called her Seven of Nine. He didn't say it to her officially because of a mixture of Starfleet Protocol, being a survivor of Wolf 359, and being a dipshit from Chicago.
I love that it wasn't a team up of the Borg and the Changeling Terrorists, it was a team up of the CT's and the Borg Queen who we thought Alt timeline Janeway had killed.

 

Edited April 20, 2023 by Johnny Sorrow

[Craig H]

I cried so fucking much during it. That was perfect.

[JLSigman]

46 minutes ago, Eivion said:

Apparently they got him because he is Stashwick's neighbor. They wanted him live but sadly didn't have enough budget left for it.

That's fine with me, just hearing him. He looked really awful in the last few promo pics with Nichelle Nichols.

[Johnny Sorrow]

33 minutes ago, JLSigman said:

That's fine with me, just hearing him. He looked really awful in the last few promo pics with Nichelle Nichols.

Not to be an dipshit from Jersey, but THAT show had " budget " issues getting Koenig on screen? What's his quote?

[Ace]

It's also noted that President son of Pavel's first name is Anton, in tribute to the late Anton Yelchin who played Chekov in the Kelvinverse films.

 

[Eivion]

1 hour ago, Johnny Sorrow said:

Not to be an dipshit from Jersey, but THAT show had " budget " issues getting Koenig on screen? What's his quote?

Probably more a case of whatever set they would need for however long. That almost surely would have cost more than Koenig.

[Johnny Sorrow]

I just watched it again. I never do that. I can't recall the last time I watched an episode of TV and watched it again a couple of hours later.  
This time I picked up more of the origin of BQ's plan. The Borg were  all but dead after being poisoned by Janeway and the Queen has been eating the Borgs who were left to stay alive. Jack Crusher, while traveling to the reaches of the quadrant got her attention because sperm have Borg implants. Then BQ hooked up with the Changeling Terrorists to start their evil plan based on both of them being almost genocided by Starfleet .

[Johnny Sorrow]

36 minutes ago, Eivion said:

Probably more a case of whatever set they would need for however long. That almost surely would have cost more than Koenig.

Maybe they were being nice since, as stated above, Walter's not looking great?