Craig H Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 4 hours ago, JonnyLaw said: This actually makes me agree with the thought that they need to move away from typical heel/face alignment and towards a more “shades of gray”/“pro sports build.” In the past, a beloved face like you described turning their back on the fans would be seem more like a personal betrayal of those fans and less “ugh, but we want to cheer you, this is dumb booking.” WWE isn’t helping things by forcing the anti-fans comments in promos. Instead, they could go the black glove Diesel/Canadian hero Bret Hart route of “I’m going to do things my way and my real fans will still be with me.” WWE embraces their top faces being hated by a percentage of the crowd, yet they still tend to put their heels into generic heel roles. Do you think this shit show of a company even knows how to pull off shades of gray or pro sports? They can't even fucking book heels and faces properly anymore. Vince sucks. The entire creative department sucks. They don't know shit. Becky is such a slam dunk and they fucked it up. They make Shaq making dunks look like Shaq trying to make free throws for crying out loud. It's unfathomable for how clueless this fucking company is. And then I think to Succession, which I just finished up a little bit ago. This is a tv series about an old, out of touch, brain damaged CEO of a large right-wing media company. This guy's kids are far more knowledgeable than this old piece of shit who is sinking the company. By the way, the CEO of this company also made insanely horrible investments that set about $1 billion on fire. Anyway, the CEO winds up out of action and it's up to his kids to take control and try to right the ship. That's all fine and good except that the CEO is so fucking crazy he goes right back to work, takes back control of the company from his sons who were actually making headway on righting the ship, and he starts to fuck everything up again. This is the greatest show ever because it's not about Fox, it's not about Rupert Murdoch, it's about Vince McMahon and WWE. It's an old, piece of shit, idiot CEO making terrible business decisions because they amuse him and him only and the company only survives in spite of idiocy of the CEO. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyLaw Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 John Cena and Roman Reigns are both essentially shades of grey characters/pro sports style dynasty teams that some people hate and others love. If you think WWE doesn’t know what they’re doing by letting them be booed by hardcores/cheered by mainstream fans/woman/children, we’ll just have to agree to disagree. My point is that there’s no reason they can’t treat “heels” similarly. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overly Critical Man Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 All you Charlotte apologists can go kick rocks. Team Becky forever. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 3 hours ago, Kyuubi said: There shouldn’t be stars like Roman Reigns or Charlotte when you have the most talent filled roster of all time. There shouldn’t be another John Cena when you have super talented wrestlers all over. Too bad most of them didn't start with Vince. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamBroken Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 You're all tired of the same old simplistic theory of 'good guys' versus 'bad guys' As the times have changed.... so have we 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nice Guy Eddie Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 12 hours ago, The Natural said: Sami Zayn and cappy from Super Mario Odyssey. Sami and Becky need to be paired together as soon as Sami gets back. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chanandlerbong Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 On 8/22/2018 at 5:24 AM, The Natural said: Someone didn't get what they wanted at the toy store. PS. I Becky. She's just so unconvincing as a heel it's hilarious. If she can get over as a heel, it will one of the great booking victories of all-time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Cincinnati Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 On 8/23/2018 at 10:35 AM, Craig H said: And then I think to Succession, which I just finished up a little bit ago. This is a tv series about an old, out of touch, brain damaged CEO of a large right-wing media company. This guy's kids are far more knowledgeable than this old piece of shit who is sinking the company. By the way, the CEO of this company also made insanely horrible investments that set about $1 billion on fire. Anyway, the CEO winds up out of action and it's up to his kids to take control and try to right the ship. That's all fine and good except that the CEO is so fucking crazy he goes right back to work, takes back control of the company from his sons who were actually making headway on righting the ship, and he starts to fuck everything up again. All the kids in that show are morons or ineffectual or both. The family is a clown car filled with self-important fools. None of them are up to the task. I wouldn't trust most of them to run a gas bar, let alone a media empire. Logan's time is ending, but his kids are absolute garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIShane Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 On 8/24/2018 at 2:24 AM, muhammedboehm said: So why cant it be as a face, why does it have to be as a heel? If it has to be one of the three, turn Charlotte. Becky already beat SDL's various low-card heels, and said heels aren't stars. She hasn't gone against faces like Naomi and Asuka who would be enough for Becky to have prominent feuds with. If Charlotte is going to be the heel against Ronda, then it'd be more logical to turn her later rather than just have her lose to face Becky. What puzzles me about the BECKY IS THE NEW STONE COLD! hot take is that she doesn't really have anyone to take that out on. She can beat Charlotte, sure, but then there isn't really anyone else for her, especially as Paige is a face GM and can't take bumps. And frankly, there's been a lot of careful storytelling to establish Becky as the heel in this feud that is getting completely overlooked because of meta-level reasons ranging from perceptions about booking to some fans refusing to believe Becky can be anything besides her old character. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 Run-on sentence warning: The story of Becky winning for two months straight in order to get a non-title match she had to win to get a title match, only to have hey best friend be immediately granted the same non-title match for a title shot opportunity without having to go on the winning streak, age having it be the same triple threat, leading to said friend sneaking up from behind to steal the victory at the last second was NEVER going to successfully lead to Becky, already the more popular of the two, being booed. It's a classic babyface gets screwed story, and their small touches towards Becky turning were clearly and obviously never going to work. The second they hugged, I knew exactly what we going to happen, and how the crowd was going to react. If I can figure it out, WWE damn sure should've been able to. They love having the more popular but less established wrestler be the one that turns in these situations, and the audience never goes with it. Here it just exploded in their faces to an even greater degree. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 Watching again, Rowan sure as hell went out of his way to be the biggest hoss possible in that match. If he had to go he wasn't gonna go quietly and every boot, crossbody, even the final bump through the barricade made him look like a total monster. He also showed no sign of injury the entire time. Great job. Renee's blood-spatter black leather jacket was super dope too, btw 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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