RIPPA Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 So many crippled dudes Obviously NXT goes here too Time Period - March 1, 2015 - February 29, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Man Known as Dan Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Well lets start with the obvious ones. Bayley: Following the Carmella match, I think she has passed Sasha as the clear "Best Case to win this thing WWE has". Just a fantastic year with multiple really good title matches working all sorts of different people, and all of them have been, at minimum, really good. Very Legitimate Final 4 contender to me. Sasha Banks: Still has the Bayley and Becky matches to hang her hat on, and is still in general just an outstanding character. Becky Lynch: Probably the NXT girl who has done the most with her callup. Finding her niche. And probably the most polished wrestler of the bunch. Charlotte: I think all 4 of the Horsewomen have to be here, right? Asuka: Has been as good of an act as there has been since her arrival in the company. Does it say something that the 5 most obvious inclusions to me were all Women? Anyway, without making strong cases, I'd think that the New Day as a group (makes most sense I think as opposed to individually?), Cena (short run but was probably the best main show guy this year), Owens, Reigns, Cesaro, Kalisto, Sheamus, and Ambrose probably should be included, though I'm very iffy on how far some of those guys should go. Also, you know Lesnar. On the NXT front, Balor, Joe, Corbin, and maybe if you wanted to do the tag team "An Uso" route, Jordan/Gable, Dash/Dawson, and Blake and Murphy could deserve consideration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MORELOCK Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Charlotte: I think all 4 of the Horsewomen have to be here, right? If anyone has a better argument for Charlotte, please make it, because she does not impress me at all. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted February 11, 2016 Author Share Posted February 11, 2016 I like that Dragon's argument is basically "The other 3 are there" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Man Known as Dan Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 She has a full year of matches, has had some good stuff in that stretch (though clearly not as good as the other 4), and has been one of the focal points of the show for the last 4 months. Also, how about you actually put forth some names instead of be snarky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted February 11, 2016 Author Share Posted February 11, 2016 I am impartial... until I release the brackets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Man Known as Dan Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 I like that Dragon's argument is basically "The other 3 are there" *sigh* Some good (if not amazing) stuff with a variety of different opponents, a pretty damn full listing of PPV matches, and it's an incredibly weak year for WWE competitors. Seriously, outside of maybe Owens, how many males on the roster had a good full year of stuff? And my favorite stuff from Owens was before the voting period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodear Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 I think Charlotte's best stuff was with Sasha in NXT first in the Fatal Four Way and the rematch when Sasha was in her face turn. I wouldn't say she was better than say Emma despite be a more featured and protected part of the program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Man Known as Dan Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 I'm not saying she's better then Emma (She isn't) I'm saying she's had a larger chance to show some good stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristobal Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 But has she actually done so? What matches has she had that weren't with Sasha, Becky, or Bayley that support her case for inclusion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted February 11, 2016 Author Share Posted February 11, 2016 My only problem with "large body of work" (and this implies to anyone) wouldn't that slippery slope just imply that I should take the 64 people with the most matches? And that is for anyone - where does the balance of quantity vs. quality come in? Is Wrestler A more worthy because they had 20 good matches than Wrestler B who only had 10 matches but they are all outstanding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristobal Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Insofar as precedent is a thing, didn't we include Brock in a year he only wrestled 4 matches? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodear Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 There is a balance to strike there (known as the Brock Balance to nobody) where a worker that does 3 matches a year shouldn't get the benefit over someone who works every week because 'their stuff stands out more'. Well no kidding! By the same token, being healthy all year shouldn't make Dean Ambrose overshadow someone who worked 9 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Man Known as Dan Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Thats the problem with the field this year in general. I have no problem excluding people due to lack of great matches (and Charlotte's best stuff does fall outside the voting period), but there are just so few guys who have had good years from the WWE field, both from a match quality stand point or quantity. Others can feel free to disagree with me, but the list of guys who were A: Healthy for the entire stretch and B: good enough to actually have a case for a sweet 16 birth from main show WWE would be something like... Kevin Owens The New Day Roman Reigns Dean Ambrose? I disagree, but others might go for him maybe? Basically, I just think the WWE grouping this year really sucks to the point that if you asked me to name, say, 16 WWE people, main show or NXT, with a case for inclusion, Charlotte would probably make my list. Cena, Cesaro, Lesnar, and other guys who have had injury/other stuff shortened years are probably getting in, which I'm more then cool with, but god damn the WWE list this year sucks. Even the main event guys in NXT (Balor, Corbin, Joe to some extent) didn't really have a stand out year. I guess if I had a stance, it's that there shouldn't be that much WWE inclusion this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted February 11, 2016 Author Share Posted February 11, 2016 This is partly where I am struggling with guys with an injury (and the biggest ones seem to be in the WWE though there are some to factor in Japan) Part of the reason I put Brock vs. Bryan last year were because they were the two "least amount of matches" guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrag Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 There is no way Charlotte should be on this list. How many WWE/NXT wrestlers do you think should get in? She is a wrestler with no charisma who can be lead along to something decent. Pretty much every full time wrestler on the roster meets those qualifications. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supremebve Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 I'm someone who is pretty skeptical about Charlotte, but I think she should be included. She isn't great, but I think I'd feel like she was missing if she wasn't on the ballot. She's carried the Divas division for what may very well be the best run the division has ever had. The Divas Revolution was kind of a bust, because the NXT division is still better than the main roster division. It has still improved by leaps and bounds, and Charlotte has kind of been carrying the division. I think the problem is that the booking her into that position is pretty much universally hated, but she has done well despite it being a bad decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrag Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Joe had a pretty great year. So did Corbin. Are we watching the same show? Hell, Zayn has way more high end stuff than most people in the time period, right? When was the Cena match when he hurt his shoulder? Suggesting Charlotte should be in over any of these people is insanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Man Known as Dan Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 How close was Joe or Corbins year to say, Zayn or Neville from last year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodear Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Assuming 16 spots for WWE/NXT I would go in no particular order 1) Bayley 2) Sasha Banks 3) Emma 4) Samoa Joe 5) Baron Corbin 6) Kevin Owens 7) Finn Balor 8) Roman Reigns 9) Becky Lynch 10) Big E 11) Sheamus 12) Scott Dawson 13) Kalisto 14) Chad Gable 15) John Cena 16) Asuka AJ Styles would be in the Japan or Indies bracket since he's worked 4 times for Vince at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrag Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 How close was Joe or Corbins year to say, Zayn or Neville from last year? Well, they had the 2nd best match on NXT: Brooklyn together, Joe/Ciampi was just as good as pretty much all of Neville's TV taping matches last year, Joe and Corbin are two of the better promo's in NXT, they were the best two guys in the Dusty Rhodes Classic etc etc. It's an irrelevant comparison though, because we're trying to decide if they should be in over Charlotte not Sami Zayn in one of the best years of his career. Didn't Zayn almost win the whole thing last year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 I would go Kofi over Big E. There's also no Rusev on that list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supremebve Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Assuming 16 spots for WWE/NXT I would go in no particular order 1) Bayley 2) Sasha Banks 3) Emma 4) Samoa Joe 5) Baron Corbin 6) Kevin Owens 7) Finn Balor 8) Roman Reigns 9) Becky Lynch 10) Big E 11) Sheamus 12) Scott Dawson 13) Kalisto 14) Chad Gable 15) John Cena 16) Asuka AJ Styles would be in the Japan or Indies bracket since he's worked 4 times for Vince at this point. Charlotte very well be in that 17-20 range, but I'd take either Sheamus or Kalisto out for her without feeling bad about it at all. I like those guys, but Sheamus was put into a position to run with the championship and failed, but Charlotte succeded. I know it isn't a 1-to-1 comparison, but a successful title reign over an unsuccessful title reign seems like a fair tie breaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Man Known as Dan Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Joe/Ciampa, while fun, was NOT as good as Owens/Neville. Not buying that one at all. They were also not "the two best guys in the Dusty Rhodes", figuring neither guys teams were the best part of the Dusty Rhodes. Jordan and Gable as well as Dash and Dawson were the ones people were talking about afterwards, and rightfully so. Corbin was good in that role, but Joe was kinda just there for the entire tournament, and I'm a Joe mark. Also, saying "They had the 2nd best match at NXT Brooklyn" is like a no shit statement, as nothing else other then the one amazing match on the show was particularly amazing. It was good, but not something I'd put in a MOTY list. As for best promos, sure, I guess, though I'd rank them behind Emma/Dana, Bayley, Sasha when she was there, Enzo and Cass, and Jordan and Gable. Maybe even behind Dash and Dawson. It's more in ring charisma then mic work. And my statement was about how this is an incredibly weak year from WWE top to bottom (save the Sasha, Becky, Bayley group),It isn't all just about Charlotte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrag Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 You either put New Day in all together or you need Kofi AND Big E in. The mic work alone should really push both of them over some of these charisma vacuums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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