TheVileOne Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 Your move Malki Kawa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Elsalvajeloco Posted July 18, 2016 Author Share Posted July 18, 2016 Jon just tweeted not too long ago that he has sent off his products to be tested. I'm guessing it's the one in Salt Lake City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 Gat supplements already tested everything and said they are clean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted July 19, 2016 Author Share Posted July 19, 2016 7 minutes ago, TheVileOne said: Gat supplements already tested everything and said they are clean. Were those the only supplements he was using? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 He was dumped by MuscleTech in April 2015. However Jones said during his press conference, "I have taken the same supplements my entire career." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 He's not a guy who's known for being totally honest about things, is he? He's kind of a Hogan on matters of truth. Either he's a massive liar, or he lives in a fantastical dreamworld where reality is whatever you think it should be, at that moment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted July 19, 2016 Author Share Posted July 19, 2016 2 minutes ago, AxB said: He's not a guy who's known for being totally honest about things, is he? He's kind of a Hogan on matters of truth. Either he's a massive liar, or he lives in a fantastical dreamworld where reality is whatever you think it should be, at that moment. Hogan is on his own planet when it comes to lying. I don't think anyone in MMA has built up to that level of lying and half-truths. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 Hulk Hogan is 62 years of age. Jon Jones is 28. He's got time. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted July 19, 2016 Author Share Posted July 19, 2016 53 minutes ago, AxB said: Hulk Hogan is 62 years of age. Jon Jones is 28. He's got time. Hogan made it past 45 years old as a pro wrestler. He might live another 62 years. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Elsalvajeloco Posted July 19, 2016 Author Share Posted July 19, 2016 According to Lance Pugmire, the substance that Lesnar failed for in both tests is clomiphene. Who had two clomiphene failures in a week in the USADA pool? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiji Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 So, Jon Jones and Brock Lesnar... totally different boats then? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 Well, Jones was trying to block Estrogen, whereas Brock was taking something that's used when cycling off Steroids to make your body start making it's own testosterone again. Which kind of implies he took a shitload of roids at some point, but timed it so they'd be out of his system by the time he'd be eligible for testing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misanthrope304 Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 "Clomifene inhibits estrogen receptors in the hypothalamus, inhibiting negative feedback of estrogen ongonadotropin release, leading to up-regulation of the hypothalamic–pituitary–gonadal axis.[13] Zuclomifene, a more active isomer, stays bound for longer periods of time. Clomifene is not a steroid drug." from wikipedia probably...its also an estrogen blocker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistah Na1m4rk Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 On July 18, 2016 at 10:09 PM, Elsalvajeloco said: Hogan made it past 45 years old as a pro wrestler. He might live another 62 years. He ain't putting Death over either, brother. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 14 hours ago, Elsalvajeloco said: Oops. From bad to worse for Bork Laser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jstout Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Was that his first violation? Two years seems too stiff. Considering the way it's set up, with the punishment starting in May, there's no reason not to appeal. They can't make it worse, so might as well try. Maybe one year for a first violation, two for a second, three for a third, then lower the boom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted July 20, 2016 Author Share Posted July 20, 2016 17 minutes ago, jstout said: Was that his first violation? Two years seems too stiff. Considering the way it's set up, with the punishment starting in May, there's no reason not to appeal. They can't make it worse, so might as well try. Maybe one year for a first violation, two for a second, three for a third, then lower the boom? Yeah, that's his first offense. He probably didn't appeal it because he admitted to not doing the research on the product he was taking and accepted what was coming with that. Plus, from what I've heard, the appeal process might be costly. If you don't have a clear path to get the sanction overturned, why go through it? Especially if we arrive at a result people already knew was going to happen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Wilson Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 42 minutes ago, jstout said: Was that his first violation? Two years seems too stiff. Considering the way it's set up, with the punishment starting in May, there's no reason not to appeal. They can't make it worse, so might as well try. Maybe one year for a first violation, two for a second, three for a third, then lower the boom? Logically speaking, I think they didn't do a year because to some fighters that isn't much of a punishment (some go eight months to a year between fights anyway, either by choice or due to injury), and they couldn't modify a policy based on how often that fighter actually fights as that wouldn't be fair. If a fighter got a year ban for example they may just rest up/get minor surgery they had been putting off, etc. and not be overly concerned. So to make sure they are actually punishing fighters and in theory discouraging them from trying to cheat, it would have to be in the two year range. It would be like giving a starting pitcher in MLB a four game suspension when they only pitch every five days anyway. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted July 20, 2016 Author Share Posted July 20, 2016 Not that it is likely to happen, but I was thinking about it. I believe it was Okamoto who tweeted that suspended fighters are still subject to testing. I was wondering if USADA would ever reduce sanctions for first time offenders based on passing drug tests while on suspensions, serving a mandatory period of the sanction (maybe 12-15 months), and entering into (and subsequently completing) an anti-doping education program. If you have another violation, that would go out the window and you have to deal with a separate sanction for that violation. Plus, you can do it based on the severity of what the athlete tested positive for, the frequency in which the athlete failed (if it was multiple failures in a 1-2 month window), and the athlete's reasoning/explanation behind the failure. I think the last one is important in that I think it would take some of the tainted supplement defenses out of the equation just because people would weigh using it and possibly coming off insincere resulting in 24 months off versus coming clean and only serving half of that. Then, we would see who is really full of shit and who isn't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranesi Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 So when Brock said "We're going to get to the bottom of this...." He left off the end part "...dumpster and set it on fire." 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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