Reggie20x6 Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Especially since, of all the sports, baseball is the one where steroids would least likely lead to one player injuring another. This isn't a player safety thing, it's a bunch of old guys crying about records. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Particularly in a sport that elected almost a half dozen guys to the Hall of Fame who made their fame on doctoring the ball. It's baseball. Cheating's always been a part. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRGoldman Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 I think Bronson Arroyo of all people correctly said that none of the people who are morally outraged about steroid use (it was Manny in this case) are outraged because a person is going to die at 50 from liver failure, they are outraged because someone hit a ball a little bit farther. The whole thing is just an absurd witch hunt that almost every single media member and baseball employee is complicit in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glfpunk Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 You can clean up the sport if you get the guys who are cheating out of the sport. Fining a team isn't going to do a damn thing. Short-sighted. You can clean up the sport if you make cheating unprofitable for all involved. As long as owners have no skin in the steroids game, they'll continue to make no serious effort to change the doping culture. No, it doesn't work like that. Players are always going to push the limit to be as great as they can. If the risk is worth it to them. The potential reward is tremendous so to balance that out you have to make the risk tremendous. Up until now, the risk hasn't been that great. It's not the owners responsibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristobal Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 It's not the owners responsibility. Right. It currently isn't. Hence, they pretend to give precisely as much of a fuck about steroids in their locker room as PR and media relations require them to while doing nothing whatsoever to discourage their use. Can owners eliminate PED use? Of course not, but they can change the culture of baseball far more than individual players can. If the players and coaches replace the "let it stay here" locker room mentality with an awareness that users risk hurting them team, the peer pressure to NOT use will do more to discourage younger players from using then all the player fines and suspensions in the world. I'm pretty much in Fowler's camp of not personally giving a shit about steroids, but if MLB wants to be serious about eliminating their use, then the consequences of that use have to fall on EVERYONE who profits from them. Right now, it's the sporting equivalent of mandatory minimum sentencing: All the posturing of appearing tough on rule-breaking without the cost of actually BEING tough on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranesi Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Especially since, of all the sports, baseball is the one where steroids would least likely lead to one player injuring another. This isn't a player safety thing, it's a bunch of old guys crying about records. I kind of also missed base stealing and defense and guys not striking out 200 times a year or not being intentionally walked seven times in a series. A couple of those things have come back which is nice. But Big-Mac-ball K/K/HR/K/BB/BB/K/K/BB//K/BB//HR/HRK/K/K/BB/BB/K/K/K/BB/K/HR is boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Did A-Rod really hire GENE SNITSKY as personal security or did I dream that? Seems like just about the most counter-productive person to hire from a PR standpoint in A-Rod's position. But IT WASN'T HIS FAULT!!! EDIT: Apparently the Reading Phillies hired him to work security for A-Rod when Trenton came to town. So he isn't actually on the guy's payroll or anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranesi Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 I heard he has a whole new training regimen led by a reputable mentor: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie M. Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 How come they won't out the NBA guys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muhammedboehm Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 How come they won't out the NBA guys? Cause no one cares about the NBA when its not during the season? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 How come they won't out the NBA guys?Insert Jason Collins reference here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristobal Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 How come they won't out the NBA guys? Cause no one cares about the NBA when its not during the playoffs? FTFY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muhammedboehm Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 How come they won't out the NBA guys? Cause no one cares about the NBA when its not during the playoffs? FTFY Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mco543 Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 No one gives a shit about steroids in any sport but baseball. I don't mean fans either, I don't think the majority of the fans care regardless of sport, I mean people running the sport or that sport's particular group of old, crusty, shitty sports writers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted July 25, 2013 Author Share Posted July 25, 2013 Robert Fick announced that he did roids a few times in his career The more amusing thing was the story was broken by Roy Firestone Yes that Roy Firestone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Hey guys, have you heard Ryan Braun is a dirty cheating Jew? It's true! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 I guess "hebrewer" meant he was brewing his own PEDs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgundy LaRue Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 How come they won't out the NBA guys? Because both football and basketball understand that if they don't talk about it, the public at large won't think about it and therefore, assume that there's no problem. It bypasses the issue easily and effectively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muhammedboehm Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 It could also be that unlike Baseball and Football, Basketball players generally don't seam to come back from injury 10000 times better then when they left Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Or they go to Germany for treatments not on the nba radar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muhammedboehm Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Or they go to Germany for treatments not on the nba radarWell there's that but it's different cause that's simply taking your own blood out and replacing it with the blood of the zombie hordes hidden in the Ardennes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie M. Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 How come they won't out the NBA guys? Because both football and basketball understand that if they don't talk about it, the public at large won't think about it and therefore, assume that there's no problem. It bypasses the issue easily and effectively. I'm not really talking about them. I read an article about how there are supposedly NBA names on the list. What's preventing those names from being released like the baseball players were? That's my question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgundy LaRue Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 How come they won't out the NBA guys? Because both football and basketball understand that if they don't talk about it, the public at large won't think about it and therefore, assume that there's no problem. It bypasses the issue easily and effectively. I'm not really talking about them. I read an article about how there are supposedly NBA names on the list. What's preventing those names from being released like the baseball players were? That's my question. Hmmm. If that's true, I don't know. Personally, I get the impression that 1.) there aren't as many NBA guys on the juice as many may think and 2.) the ones that are know to complete their cycles during the off-season. That doesn't really answer your question, though, just my two cents on the topic as it relates to the NBA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranesi Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Thing is, I want baseball to be different than the other sports. The pace is different and my experience of the game has always been different. I don't want baseball to be a game of giants doing giant things. I know that there are a lot of supernatural things in baseball...that a pitcher's arm is not something you can work into, but something miraculous...hell, even a good outfielder's arm is near inhuman. And the eyesight and coordination of a good hitter is also beyond the normal human. But I still like to see it as a game for relatively normal humans doing things we all used to sort of do at one time. I don't want to watch a game of giant monsters hitting flaming dingers off of satellites, despite what MLB network or ESPN's opening animations might tell us. I've got the NBA and the NFL if I want to see Titans explode the world. And the WWE if I want to see the good Titan win. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggie20x6 Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 GAWD DAMMIT! Why haven't there been any heads on stakes yet, MLB? A-Rod is struttin' around like he owns the place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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