Wyld Samurai Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 It's not uncommon in a takeover for employees/ contracts to be bought out for reworking of deals. Flair should have had that in his contract as protection. If anything his quarrel with Crockett is over possible collusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technico Support Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 @OSJ John, I don;t think either of those examples apply, apples to apples, here. If you want to discuss book sales, a closer scenario would be: A guy you don't know has asked your friend to be the go between and buy a rare book from you. Normally, you'd part with it for $2000. You and your friend know this as you have previously sold similar books to your friend. Your friend tells the buyer you need $8000 for it. The buyer pays $8000 despite the fact that your normal asking price would have been $2000. Your friend helped just you swindle a guy out of $6000. I'm no lawyer but it sounds like Flair expected Crockett to collude with him to cheat unknowing Turner execs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSJ Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 1 minute ago, Technico Support said: @OSJ John, I don;t think either of those examples apply, apples to apples, here. If you want to discuss book sales, a closer scenario would be: A guy you don't know has asked your friend to be the go between and buy a rare book from you. Normally, you'd part with it for $2000. You and your friend know this as you have previously sold similar books to your friend. Your friend tells the buyer you need $8000 for it. The buyer pays $8000 despite the fact that your normal asking price would have been $2000. Your friend helped just you swindle a guy out of $6000. I'm no lawyer but it sounds like Flair expected Crockett to collude with him to cheat unknowing Turner execs. ???? My friend, in the scenario that you present there's no "swindle" or "fraud" present. What you have is an impatient or uneducated buyer, neither of which are my responsibility to correct. A thing is worth precisely what someone is willing to pay for it, that's how free market works. I've got some copies of my new book for sale, I've previously mentioned that they are postpaid in the US for $30. If you were to call me up and want one and I charged you $50, that would be dishonest as I've already stated an asking price. On the other hand, if you called me up the day I got the box and demanded a copy and I quoted fifty bucks. No harm, no foul. An item is worth whatever the purchaser wishes to pay, they always have the right to not buy something. FWIW: Wyld Samurai is right, Flair should have had a clause pertaining to this in is contract, but we're talking about the wrestling business in general and JCP in particular, so I'm really not surprised that there wasn't one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kronos Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 Did Vince ever bring in Mike Awesome? (besides One Night Stand) If not, why not? In Jan 2000, the guy has the exactly look Vince drools over. And he's pretty mobile for a guy his size. Surely they could have found a place for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetrolCB Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 Yeah, he was around during the Invasion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kronos Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 Just now, PetrolCB said: Yeah, he was around during the Invasion. Okay. So then he got buried with most of the rest of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetrolCB Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 His debut... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kronos Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 Nice find, thanks. That powerbomb onto the ladder was nuts! Wow, cutting off the mullet may have brought his hair into the 21st century. But it sure takes away one of the signature things about his look. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetrolCB Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 I feel like I'm misremembering, but that bump by Rhyno may have been the catalyst to his neck surgery. **edit** Nevermind. This was in June and he had it in October. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swift Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 Can't believe Flair is holding a grudge all these years later because he didn't get that extra Turner money which would currently be sitting in some ex-wife's bank account. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peck Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 Hey now, that could have been the money Flair contributed in to a Roth IRA. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zev Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 2 hours ago, Peck said: Hey now, that could have been the money Flair contributed in to a Roth IRA. Or he could've bought a KFC and sold Georgia Gold. Or Global Gold, one of those. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spritenaut 32 Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 I always thought Awesome was hurt by going to WCW before WWE. He never really got a good chance in WCW. He was booked either as a flunky or a midcard comedy guy. I wouldn't be surprised if more fans remember him as the "Fat Chick Thriila" or "That 70's Guy" than remember him as an ECW badass, When I think of him, the first three things that come to mind are" 1)the Partridge Family bus; 2) "The Fat Chick Thrilla"; 3) nearly murdering one of the Insane Clown Posse. His ECW run is kinda vague in my mind, aside from him and Tanaka walloping each other with unprotected chair shots. He was also hurt by being a big guy who worked in companies full of bigger guys after ECW. His size wasn't that remarkable once he got out of ECW. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSJ Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 Awesome's decline started with dropping the belt to Taz, "the fat-chick thrilla" and "that 70s guy" certainly didn't help. Dude should have gone to Japan and stayed there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSJ Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 23 hours ago, zev said: Or he could've bought a KFC and sold Georgia Gold. Or Global Gold, one of those. It's Flair for fucks sake, he would've spent the dough on a giant nude portrait of himself for the living room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kronos Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 1 minute ago, OSJ said: Awesome's decline started with dropping the belt to Taz, "the fat-chick thrilla" and "that 70s guy" certainly didn't help. Dude should have gone to Japan and stayed there. Taz? That's just silly. You're right. Japan would have loved him, and he'd have learned to be a good worker in the ring with people like Akiyama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 He spent most of his career in Japan, with FMW. The ECW, WCW and WWF bits were right at the end of his run. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kronos Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 1 minute ago, AxB said: He spent most of his career in Japan, with FMW. The ECW, WCW and WWF bits were right at the end of his run. Fuck, I am ignorant. It's all good. Maybe FMW is where he learned to take and give unprotected chair shots. Only their chairs were on fire and coated with rusty razor blades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSJ Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 3 minutes ago, AxB said: He spent most of his career in Japan, with FMW. The ECW, WCW and WWF bits were right at the end of his run. Correct, and he should have stayed there or tried to catch on with AJPW. I realize exchanging chairshots with Mr. Pogo can become tiresome, but it's certainly better than losing a belt to a roided-up dwarf and then being "the fat chick thrilla". 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSJ Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 11 minutes ago, AxB said: He spent most of his career in Japan, with FMW. The ECW, WCW and WWF bits were right at the end of his run. I have to wonder in retrospect why he came back to the US to work in bingo halls for Heyman. Do you know if he spoke Japanese? Got acclimated to the culture? By all accounts, Japan is a pretty damn racist culture, "gaijin" is not a term of endearment, some guys like Kenny Omega seem to adapt so well that they're loved like a native son. Others, even when pushed to the moon in wrestling, are always "outsiders" and treated pretty shabbily socially. I wonder if that was the deal with Mike Awesome? I do know that if you work there and don't speak the language, you're a barbarian, little better than a trained monkey in the eyes of the natives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spritenaut 32 Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 4 minutes ago, OSJ said: I have to wonder in retrospect why he came back to the US to work in bingo halls for Heyman. I always assumed he wanted to be closer to his family. He got married in 1991 and had his first kid in 1996. Also, I imagine Heyman made hooking up with ECW sound like a trip to the promised land. Paul is pretty damn good at talking people into things. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSJ Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 7 minutes ago, Horton Hears a Wooo!!! said: I always assumed he wanted to be closer to his family. He got married in 1991 and had his first kid in 1996. Also, I imagine Heyman made hooking up with ECW sound like a trip to the promised land. Paul is pretty damn good at talking people into things. Sadly, that makes all the sense in the world. PaulH. "We're revolutionizing wrestling, the fans line up for hours before a show! We're going to be bigger than WWF, plus, I've got the phone number of Sabu's pot connection, come on over!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReiseReise Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 I know I'm stating the obvious, but it is incredible how awful Russo was on TV. I just watched him hog away all the spotlight from Steiner who beat Goldberg. Also, did he ever really get any type of come-uppance? Watching PPVs from 2000, WCW in their worst period still drew big and vocal crowds. Had they had a decent structure and reasonable business model, they might have very well stayed alive. Of course, they might have never gotten that big without the dollar wasting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomAct Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 Something I thought about lately. Anyone else ever find it odd that Piper didn't come into WCW just for Hogan to get his "win back" on him? Hogan jobs CLEAN in the first match, and barely escapes with his title at Superbrawl. Hell, go down the line to Halloween Havoc,and Hogan loses again. Was this just a case of Piper being Piper and steadfastly refusing to do any jobs? Or was it Hogan actually playing nice? Maybe both? Considering how Hogan was around this time with guys like Warrior(and apparently trying to bring in Yoko for the same reason), it always stuck out to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSJ Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 1 hour ago, RandomAct said: Something I thought about lately. Anyone else ever find it odd that Piper didn't come into WCW just for Hogan to get his "win back" on him? Hogan jobs CLEAN in the first match, and barely escapes with his title at Superbrawl. Hell, go down the line to Halloween Havoc,and Hogan loses again. Was this just a case of Piper being Piper and steadfastly refusing to do any jobs? Or was it Hogan actually playing nice? Maybe both? Considering how Hogan was around this time with guys like Warrior(and apparently trying to bring in Yoko for the same reason), it always stuck out to me. Don't know. The only guy that could have given you an honest answer is dead and Piper was as big a bullshitter as Hogan, so I wouldn't have put too much stock in his explanation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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