Niners Fan in CT Posted March 5, 2014 Author Share Posted March 5, 2014 Yeah - I didn't really mean Hogan as a cutoff point necessarily. I just wanted to use someone as an example where you could point to him and say "yes, he's a hall of famer, no doubt about it" Sting is a guy that is arguable even if you are massive fan of his. I wouldn't point to him and say "he HAS to be in" See, in part.. one of my issues is that I feel he's more deserving than Tanahashi and Angle. I think it's unfair that Sting is on the outside while an ace from NJPW who is only now seeing success as a draw got in and Angle.. who I don't even know how you can call a draw when he was never an ace and after like 2003 was not a very good wrestler is also in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricR Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 "He makes people tune in" feels like the "he pitched to the score" of pro wrestling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 I still think we should be discussing the Bushwhackers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.Rex-n-effeckx Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 I don't know.When you're Yohe ish guys complain that Georgeous George was a TV presence but didn't draw as much as Thesz, it's interesting but still comes off foolish.Meltzer explains Lance Russell as being in for huge TV ratings (again I'd argue he should be in for being the best but whatever).Lou Albano is in for being the manager of pretty much all of Pedro Morales opponents and being all over TV (again I think it's dumb to have manager of Morales opponents and not Morales in the HOF but there are reasons that WON voters don't care for ethnic champions...and being all over TV when champion didn't make TV but tag championship was essntially a TV title feels as dumb as putting Babydoll on for being the TV champs Perfect 10).I assume Gorrilla Monsoon is going to eventually go on for his TV presence and ability to put guys over even when but Hogan was the only thing that drew and the promotion wasn't actually built on making money off of live shows and not off of TV broadcasting.So there is a precedent for this TV tuning in talk. It isn't a good precedent.And no one has ever proposed that the HOF candidacy of the one guy whose business plan was to make money off of televising wrestling and was so hugely succesful at it that he was able to move from a guy who owned a shit station where he had to run a pledge drive to get the audience to donate money so he could get cameras that would broadcast in color (at a point where every other station was broadcast in color) to being a guy who could get the Olympics to come to a town in Georgia.But the precedent is there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirSmUgly Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 I think what this thread has illuminated for me the most is how undeserving Kurt Angle is as far as being in the WON HOF (or Tanahashi, for that matter). Angle has no argument in terms of drawing power and I cannot fathom the arguments people made for him to get in on work alone. Sadly, I think the people who say Sting shouldn't be there are probably right unless the argument is that since Angle has already set a baseline for getting into the HOF that is so low and that Sting surely surpasses, Sting should be in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRGoldman Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Guys, I was watching Beach Blast 92 and there is a dude in the front row that has a sign that says 'Sting is the Best'. There's no way a sign that definitive would be made for someone who isn't hall of fame worthy, right? Like, I don't remember seeing any 'Gangrel is the Best' signs. As far as I'm concerned, case closed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libs Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 When Angle was voted in, the WON base largely viewed him as one of their workrate gods and someone with a claim to being one of the GOATs "in-ring." It may seem like a low standard was set by his admittance, but in most of that audience's eyes, it was anything but. Sting doesn't have the same status with that crowd, regardless of how earned/unearned it is for either guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 When Angle was voted in, the WON base largely viewed him as one of their workrate gods and someone with a claim to being one of the GOATs "in-ring." Sting doesn't have the same status with that crowd, regardless of how earned/unearned it is for either guy. The deal with angle is that he made the pros who voted feel like they were special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 When Angle was voted in, the WON base largely viewed him as one of their workrate gods and someone with a claim to being one of the GOATs "in-ring." It may seem like a low standard was set by his admittance, but in most of that audience's eyes, it was anything but. Sting doesn't have the same status with that crowd, regardless of how earned/unearned it is for either guy. It had little to do with the audience and almost entirely to do with wrestlers, active and retired. He brought legitimacy to 'em, so they loved him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libs Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Little to do with the WON voting audience? Huh? His gold medal and amateur background giving some of them masturbatory warm fuzzies was partly it, but you're both severely underselling how a lot (obviously not all) of those with WON ties, that were part of the voting populace, felt about Angle's pro wres work back in 2004. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DylanWaco Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 If you focus on late 80's/early 90's Sting it hurts him. Focusing on the Nitro era stuff is the best argument for him (and still isn't very persuasive in my view). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DylanWaco Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 I agree with focusing on the whole, which is why I think he shouldn't go in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Pure curiosity, Dylan, but would you vote for Sting in a pure in ring work hall of fame? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DylanWaco Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 I like Sting a good bit as a worker, but no way. There are well over 100 guys I think are clearly better workers than Sting, and for an HoF like that you would need to at least be on that top 100 radar at bare minimum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Just wondered. My blind love of 92-94 WCW would probably get him my vote even while acknowledging he shouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted March 10, 2014 Author Share Posted March 10, 2014 Over time, Sting was a better worker than Kurt Angle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DylanWaco Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Those sort of discussions are the main reason why I don't think anyone should get in for work alone, or at least why I personally would never advocate and/or vote for anyone on those grounds. Not only is it subjective, but the qualities people look for in good workers are drastically different, and the degree of consensus on who is an all time great has never been lower in "smart" circles. To me work is something that can be a big part of your case, perhaps even the biggest part of your case, but it shouldn't be the only part of your case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 I don't think it should either, I just wondered where you stood on Sting's work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IpponDropkick Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 I'm astonished someone could think Joker Sting was Sting's best character work. Cringeworthy all the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 How did Abdullah the Butcher get inducted then? Is it for his work and recognition in Japan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death From Above Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 How the fuck is anything to do with TNA involved in a Hall of Fame discussion? Some of you need to go outside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 WON HOF aside, I was actually curious what the mindset behind Abdullah in the WWE HOF was, and all the WON really had at the time was that it was a good local interest story for Atlanta with the restaurant. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.Rex-n-effeckx Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Abdullah was a big international drawing star..Why would he not be in a HOF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DylanWaco Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 Abby probably drew more 10k paid houses in Trinidad than Sting did in the U.S. That's not hyperbole. Think about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 How much was a ticket there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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