Reed Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 RE: Will and Jada and the racial issues. No matter how you want to spin it, one WoC winning Best Actress in 88 YEARS is pretty damn embarrassing.
Technico Support Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 Definitely. It's just that it comes across as disingenuous when Jada has no complaints until the year Will makes an Oscar bait pic and the academy doesn't go for it. Now she's an activist?
SirSmUgly Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 Tomorrow night, my favorite movie experience of the year happens - my wife and I get to go see the Best Animated Short Oscar nominees in the theatre. We've been doing this since 2011, and the experience is always incredibly fun. Everyone should check and see if a theater near them is playing these and go see them if possible.
Burgundy LaRue Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 RE: Will and Jada and the racial issues. No matter how you want to spin it, one WoC winning Best Actress in 88 YEARS is pretty damn embarrassing. And that actress had to get her back blown out by Billy Bob Thornton for that to happen. 1
Elsalvajeloco Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 RE: Will and Jada and the racial issues. No matter how you want to spin it, one WoC winning Best Actress in 88 YEARS is pretty damn embarrassing. Definitely. It's just that it comes across as disingenuous when Jada has no complaints until the year Will makes an Oscar bait pic and the academy doesn't go for it. Now she's an activist? RE: Will and Jada and the racial issues. No matter how you want to spin it, one WoC winning Best Actress in 88 YEARS is pretty damn embarrassing. And that actress had to get her back blown out by Billy Bob Thornton for that to happen. Here is why I love this whole situation. The academy is in a Catch 22 whether they know it or not when this time rolls around next year. The thing is...they pretty much deserve to be in this situation based on how ass backwards these award ceremonies (including but not limited to SAG, Golden Globes, Primetime Emmys, BAFTAs, Academy Awards) are. So next year if they decide to give Nate Parker nominations for Best Picture, Best Lead Actor, one of the two screenplay awards, and Best Director for The Birth of a Nation, are black people suppose to be happy because they found ONE movie that shit upon having a white savior in a film and wasn't designed to make white Hollywood liberals feel better about their understanding of black people? If they choose to ignore it and go with some movie where a suburban white girl has inoperable brain cancer or something, then we're going to get more cries of racism, more hashtags, more white celebrities saying embarrassing things, and less people watching these shows. The ironic thing is you have a member of the Academy, Penelope Ann Miller, who is actually in The Birth of a Nation and had to tweet out that she is indeed, not a racist (Twitter...a great proving ground to show that). So now if you decide to do the opposite and give Parker all the awards, then you're basically saying, "Hey darkies, we gave you one so stop complaining. Plus, the president of the Oscars is a black lady so there is that. She's trying to fix this." The thing is..the Academy had almost a whole century to fix this and they didn't. So the story is not going to change now because no matter what, the system is still being constructed and funded by surly, well off white people. That's why I laugh at that "next year, we're going to make historical changes" bullshit floating around. Save that for people who are still silly enough to value these award shows beyond being fantasy football with rich actors and actresses. Therefore, the Will and Jada thing is not ludicrous because white people won't let them in their ritzy organized, self congratulatory empowerment meetings. For me, it's ludicrous in that Will Smith is one of the few powerful black men in Hollywood, has his own production company with James Lassiter, and he can do the same thing Nate Parker has done 250 times over. Shit, Nate Parker had to quit acting for 2 years and beg people for money. Nate doesn't even have 1/8 of the connections that Will does. Will doesn't have to try to ask white people (notoriously ..um...fair* people) to figure something out that they will never solve. IMO, it's not about whether someone protests or not but the great opportunities to be proactive instead of reactive. If you want to make 20 Concussions, you have the resources to do it. If you want to make a movie about John Horse, Fred Hampton, Moor kings, Toussaint L'Ouverture, Haile Selassie, and any person's life where white people aren't there to save the day, you can do it and be successful because black people and other people of color will go support it if it's righteous. Seriously, just pick some because it's not like Hollywood production companies are rushing out to do them and beating you to the punch. They're still doing MLK movies. Hell, you can thrown your own awards ceremony and give yourself an award. You would be well within your rights to do it because that's basically what white people in the US and UK have been doing for at least a century. 1
Mistah Na1m4rk Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 When I hear all these crybabies whining about the latest affront to their pampered egos, there is only one answer they are truly looking for. "Alright, how much?"
Reed Posted January 30, 2016 Posted January 30, 2016 Definitely. It's just that it comes across as disingenuous when Jada has no complaints until the year Will makes an Oscar bait pic and the academy doesn't go for it. Now she's an activist? This time is arguably worse because it's the second year in a row it's happened. Last year, the academy could at least feasibly pass it off a fluke or just one of those things. For it to happen again, though, is ridiculous. I think that's the final straw for her, more so than Will not getting nominated.
Tabe Posted January 30, 2016 Posted January 30, 2016 Definitely. It's just that it comes across as disingenuous when Jada has no complaints until the year Will makes an Oscar bait pic and the academy doesn't go for it. Now she's an activist? This time is arguably worse because it's the second year in a row it's happened. Last year, the academy could at least feasibly pass it off a fluke or just one of those things. For it to happen again, though, is ridiculous. I think that's the final straw for her, more so than Will not getting nominated. I suspect she's genuinely upset but I guarantee she only thought about it because Will wasn't nominated. I'd have more respect for her position if she'd come out and said "xxx should have been nominated instead of yyy". Be specific!
Elsalvajeloco Posted January 30, 2016 Posted January 30, 2016 Definitely. It's just that it comes across as disingenuous when Jada has no complaints until the year Will makes an Oscar bait pic and the academy doesn't go for it. Now she's an activist? This time is arguably worse because it's the second year in a row it's happened.Last year, the academy could at least feasibly pass it off a fluke or just one of those things. For it to happen again, though, is ridiculous. I think that's the final straw for her, more so than Will not getting nominated. I suspect she's genuinely upset but I guarantee she only thought about it because Will wasn't nominated. I'd have more respect for her position if she'd come out and said "xxx should have been nominated instead of yyy". Be specific! First off, they're not like UNICEF. I mean what are they doing for you to respect or not respect their cause? Based on the activities of two of their kids, they will be alright.Second, it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't type situation. You had bitter ass Janet Hubert, whose career died long ago and still upset that some 23 year old kid wouldn't fight for her to get a raise, talking about how Will should not put other black actors in that position. She's fucking contradicting herself. I mean Will really hasn't put anyone in that position because he didn't fucking go around naming names of who should join him. You telling me that two people who been in Hollywood for a combined 50 years don't know about the white power structure in Hollywood? Jada was on A Different World in their final seasons where it was a struggle between the black writers/producers (Debbie Allen and Susan Fales-Hill most notably) on the show and the white execs at NBC. She knows damn well how that might end. If they start saying names, it would be some people that would be doing non-union commercials with dark skinned Aunt Viv. The truth is that whatever the media puts out there is going to be way more divisive than some protest. if you're not a powerful white person's lapdog like Stacey Dash and Anthony Mackie (based on his comments last year on the Selma snub and other comments), it's not really going to gain sufficient traction because it's not downing black people. I mean Idris Elba (and David Oyelowo IIRC) basically made comments about how sad it is that he came to the US to get a break and it's basically like the UK with the lack of opportunities. Not a single peep here or lots of other places as far as that goes because it's not something you can lambast black people for. You're telling me that Idris Elba in Beasts of No Nation wasn't one of the year's best performances? You got to be shitting me if you don't think that. Shit, the kid probably deserves one as well because he was fucking magnificent. Hell, Tessa Thompson was better in Creed than lots of this faux Merchant Ivory bullshit that I saw in 2015 and this month. But hey, it isn't official until Will Smith and Jada Pinkett Smith say who should be nominated since no one else saw these movies. Straight Outta Compton was this small indie flick that no one saw. No one got the screeners. Nope.
Tabe Posted January 30, 2016 Posted January 30, 2016 Haven't seen Beasts yet, so can't comment. I'm not saying there aren't people who should have been nominated. What I'm saying is it would be nice to have somebody step up and say "THIS is the guy who shouldn't have been nominated". It's easy to make a blanket complaint or protest, no matter how right you are (and they ARE right). But...in the end, I can't help but think Jada spoke up because Fassbender got a nom instead of Will. Personally, yeah, Straight Outta Compton should have gotten a bunch of nominations - over Fassbender, etc. I wasn't impressed with the acting in Creed other than Sly, though.
Elsalvajeloco Posted January 30, 2016 Posted January 30, 2016 Haven't seen Beasts yet, so can't comment. I'm not saying there aren't people who should have been nominated. What I'm saying is it would be nice to have somebody step up and say "THIS is the guy who shouldn't have been nominated". It's easy to make a blanket complaint or protest, no matter how right you are (and they ARE right). But...in the end, I can't help but think Jada spoke up because Fassbender got a nom instead of Will. Personally, yeah, Straight Outta Compton should have gotten a bunch of nominations - over Fassbender, etc. I wasn't impressed with the acting in Creed other than Sly, though. You're never going to have that. Hollywood is already kinda clique-ish, incestuous, and super awkward as is. You know the guy who is with the same agency and has the same representation as me? Let me say that he shouldn't not be nominated for awards while our agents are trying to get a package deal so we can both appear in the same movie together. That could turn into a disaster. You see that actors always thank the Hollywood Foreign Press, the Academy, etc. when they win awards. Most of these people do what they're told by their representation. They're not going to put other actors on blast. This isn't 1977 where you can make up some story about one of your ex co-stars having a gerbil up his ass. You say something that can even be construed as a diss and it's on social media sixty seconds later. But I don't think that's the crux of their protest or the #OscarsSoWhite in the first place. The whole point (intended or not intended) of these awards besides the fantasy sports nature to them and making sponsors happy is making it where you can actually debate whether this movie, performance, cinematography, and other stuff is better than this or that. We can debate all that stuff and more. However, you can't really debate that if it's no secret one side is heavily represented more than other. Shit, we ain't even talking about in reality where no films or performances were nominated. If Idris Elba was the only one, we're still discussing the race issue. That's the whole problem. You found one great performance and ignored the rest. If white actors or actresses get slighted, then that encourages debate OUTSIDE of race. Essentially, you've made a pointless debate somehow even more pointless by ignoring all of it. No one is going to protest over Christian Bale not getting a nomination. He will survive and continue to prosper. However, that just underlines how the system is constructed to favor white actors and actresses. Bale will continue to do high level films and have numerous opportunities to do something to get nominations next year and the year after that. And no, it's not Christian Bale's fault. However, that's the way it is. It doesn't have to be Adam Sandler or Josh Gad to not get nominated. The realization, based on history, is that the bar isn't set ridiculously high. Black actors don't have to deliver these once-in-a-lifetime performances because everything else isn't this once-in-a-lifetime performance. However, that seems to be the case unless you're playing a devilish person, a victim of white supremacy, or a slave. They're no further than Butterfly McQueen and that's sad as shit. If she was alive, she'd have a better shot winning an award than Carmen Ejogo, Tessa Thompson, Naomie Harris, and a lot of other black actresses. So figuring out who should get snubbed is not exactly this disingenuous thing. There are good performances every year that get missed out on. You're telling me all the best movies came out between mid September and early January? Just those and Fury Road? You have twelve months to choose and that's all. Come on, folks. People can't be this blind.
MADCAP Posted January 31, 2016 Posted January 31, 2016 Fuck Jada for real. In a time where celebs could be attaching their names to real social issues, she tries to mobilize the public because get man didn't get a nom to a self-fellating awards show??? Technico nailed it: it really comes off as disingenuous, especially coming from someone who thinks she's deeper than she really is just because she read a Maya Angelou book.
Elsalvajeloco Posted January 31, 2016 Posted January 31, 2016 Fuck Jada for real. In a time where celebs could be attaching their names to real social issues, she tries to mobilize the public because get man didn't get a nom to a self-fellating awards show??? Technico nailed it: it really comes off as disingenuous, especially coming from someone who thinks she's deeper than she really is just because she read a Maya Angelou book. The thing is...a white supremacy motivated industry in 2016 IS a real social issue along with the fact that people of color haven't advanced much in an industry where people are making billions of dollars off of them. "Real social issues" is an easy fucking out. That is the same narrative that persists when the NCAA says, "hey, they're getting an education! Yeah, I know we're using their likeness in video games, but DEGREES~!"
MADCAP Posted January 31, 2016 Posted January 31, 2016 It's fucking movies. Movie role equality is so far on my give a shit priorities, not while cops are killing people and water is contaminsted in Michigan. Maybe if there wasn't so much going on in the world, I could care a little more, but I refuse to "get in the bus" for this one. Also, who do you think runs Hollywood anyway?
Elsalvajeloco Posted January 31, 2016 Posted January 31, 2016 It's fucking movies. Movie role equality is so far on my give a shit priorities, not while cops are killing people and water is contaminsted in Michigan. Maybe if there wasn't so much going on in the world, I could care a little more, but I refuse to "get in the bus" for this one. If I'm not mistaken, this is the same horseshit Janet Hubert used in her video. Bitch, you got blackballed from Hollywood for being a non-docile Negro. That's a real issue. She has a meaningless degree from Juilliard that didn't stop white people from ending her career. Ask Monique what happens when you don't play ball in Hollywood or kiss ass. Fuck Trumbo. That shit still happens, but no one says shit because it can't further their career. Black people shouldn't get blackballed for being black and standing up for themselves. Actors and actresses are what they are. They can't fix contaminated water. They can't save cats out of a tree. Everybody doesn't have to do a poignant Katrina photo op and be a self righteous douche like Sean Penn. You know who is in charge of those issues? The people IN CHARGE of handling of those issues. Did you see Nelly in Ferguson, Missouri? That had to be the saddest shit in the history of time and activism. He is from that area and people from that area (and live everyday in oppression) didn't want him down there. You know it's fucked up when you look more out of touch than Jesse Jackson and Al "I sell folks out to the FBI to buy materials for my perm and wait for white people to cut the check" Sharpton. Nobody is asking you get on the bus or whatever the fuck that passive aggressive shit means. You can't possibly believe that black people in Hollywood control their own narrative when the writing teams are white (and still writing atrocious material for blacks as countless interviews/podcasts can attest to), the showrunners are white, the producers are white, and the directors are a vast majority white. But when you trip and fall on a Ryan Coogler, Tyler Perry, or Shonda Rhimes, IT'S HALLEJUAH WE FOUND SOME! But hey, if white people can have you believe that. Hey, their magic is still working.
MADCAP Posted January 31, 2016 Posted January 31, 2016 Alright for one, don't try that "if you don't believe in my narrative, you're down with Uncle Ruckus" bullshit. You missed me with that one. Who the fuck is you Marc Lamont Hill? I never said that there WASN'T a problem. I said that it was disingenuous coming from Jada. I have more issue with the messenger than the actual message. Everyone know the racist side to show biz, but guess what? Black folks are still gonna go to the movies and still aren't gonna watch the oscars. And fuck you. If a motherfucker can try and use the black community as a fan base to enrich themselves, then they can take a minute to bring to light important issues. I get your passion, as you seem to be a movie buff, but you're fighting for people that don't give a squirt of piss about us.
Elsalvajeloco Posted January 31, 2016 Posted January 31, 2016 Alright for one, don't try that "if you don't believe in my narrative, you're down with Uncle Ruckus" bullshit. You missed me with that one. Who the fuck is you Marc Lamont Hill? I never said that there WASN'T a problem. I said that it was disingenuous coming from Jada. I have more issue with the messenger than the actual message. Everyone know the racist side to show biz, but guess what? Black folks are still gonna go to the movies and still aren't gonna watch the oscars. And fuck you. If a motherfucker can try and use the black community as a fan base to enrich themselves, then they can take a minute to bring to light important issues. I get your passion, as you seem to be a movie buff, but you're fighting for people that don't give a squirt of piss about us. It's still clear to me that you still believe in this Aunt Jemima, softshoe sellout bullshit "No sur, bossman" white people want you believe in. EB BODY KNOW BOUT DA RACISM, BOSS! WE NUOT GON DO NOTHIN BOUT IT THO AS LONG AS DEY GET DA CHECK! You're useless to black people because you know the problems, but you don't want blacks to address those issues unless it's a clean white envelope. You're the type that wants to negotiate with captors instead facing them face-to-face. But, it's cooler in the house certainly.
MADCAP Posted January 31, 2016 Posted January 31, 2016 Yeah, because I don't give a shit about mega rich actors crying about being oppressed. As someone who does community work in my city with at-risk kids to keep them out of the cycle, and the child of 60's Black Panthers, I take umbrage at you calling me a fucking house nigger. You're the dumbass giving white people what they want, to see two black guys fighting. Btw, way to perpetuate the stereotypes...CRAZY SAVAGE.
MADCAP Posted January 31, 2016 Posted January 31, 2016 If you want to continue this, we can gladly discuss this in the inbox. No need to completely derail this thread c
Niners Fan in CT Posted January 31, 2016 Posted January 31, 2016 It's almost as if the SAG awards knew how to book an awards show.
Elsalvajeloco Posted January 31, 2016 Posted January 31, 2016 Yeah, because I don't give a shit about mega rich actors crying about being oppressed. As someone who does community work in my city with at-risk kids to keep them out of the cycle, and the child of 60's Black Panthers, I take umbrage at you calling me a fucking house nigger. You're the dumbass giving white people what they want, to see two black guys fighting. Btw, way to perpetuate the stereotypes...CRAZY SAVAGE. What kind of reverse bullshit is that? I'm not on Earth to impress white people or anybody for that matter. You must be out of your goddamn skull. WHAT WUL DA WHITE PEOPLE THUNK? And I'm don't give a damn where you come from. Everybody got to take an L sometimes. You're perpetuating the worse stereotype associated with black people. You decried someone needing to look towards social change that's racial, but you want them to focus on SOCIAL CHANGE that's non-racial. Shit, that's very Don Lemon-ish. If that ain't house behavior, then Rooney Mara is a Native American princess. This is the type of behavior that led (and continues to lead) our people to slaughter. Shit, if you were a child of the Black Panthers, you would know that. There is no room to be proud of that.
Elsalvajeloco Posted January 31, 2016 Posted January 31, 2016 If you want to continue this, we can gladly discuss this in the inbox. No need to completely derail this thread c Now, we just need Nicaragua by Jerry Goldsmith playing and we'll be set.
MADCAP Posted January 31, 2016 Posted January 31, 2016 Lol you're a fucking idiot. I already told you, if you wanna keep talking about this, message me, but I'm not about all this fake ass I'm blacker than you keyboard warrior nonsense.
Elsalvajeloco Posted January 31, 2016 Posted January 31, 2016 Lol you're a fucking idiot. I already told you, if you wanna keep talking about this, message me, but I'm not about all this fake ass I'm blacker than you keyboard warrior nonsense. As evidenced in your first reply where you acquiesced (a trait usually associated with being docile and complacent) that your point was ridiculous and had nothing. Nothing. You're a clown like Anthony Mackie who wants his kids to please white people. You're the goal he wants his kids to shoot for. That's what they want us to DO! This ain't 1987. That only belongs in a Chappelle skit with Leonard Washington.
MADCAP Posted January 31, 2016 Posted January 31, 2016 This is how we see you, an internet nerd, railing against whitey: Get your life dickhead... 2
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