AlfredoE Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 (edited) Woj mentioning Jimmy Butler plans to pursue smaller offer sheets As Butler spends time in Los Angeles this summer, a stretch that’s included an overseas “Entourage” promotional jaunt with producer Mark Wahlberg, Butler’s intrigue with signing a potential Los Angeles Lakers offer sheet has increased, league sources told Yahoo Sports. Not sure that will happen since LA rarely has gone after someone who's a RFA, but maybe this year they don't mind waiting a few days. I would think the Bulls would match it anyway. Edited June 16, 2015 by AlfredoE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuetsar Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 The Sixers have a plan. Whether it works or not is anyone's guess, and I would place that above Sacramento, who's owner seems to lack the patience for any sort of plan. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomAct Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Butler would be a gd idiot to go to L.A. Even with Thibs gone, Chicago is going to be a top 3 team in the East. Why leave that AND the chance of more money to go to a rebuilding Lakers team where he'd likely be conceding minutes to Kobe at the 2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie M. Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 The Sixers have a plan. Whether it works or not is anyone's guess, and I would place that above Sacramento, who's owner seems to lack the patience for any sort of plan. . . The GM has a plan to stay employed... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuetsar Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 The Sixers have a plan. Whether it works or not is anyone's guess, and I would place that above Sacramento, who's owner seems to lack the patience for any sort of plan. . . The GM has a plan to stay employed... touche Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_MJ_ Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 If Chicago loses Jimmy Butler, Bulls fans are going to ________. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Mann Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 If Chicago loses Jimmy Butler, Bulls fans are going to ________. ...keep hoping Back To The Future 2 was right. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfredoE Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Butler would be a gd idiot to go to L.A. Even with Thibs gone, Chicago is going to be a top 3 team in the East. Why leave that AND the chance of more money to go to a rebuilding Lakers team where he'd likely be conceding minutes to Kobe at the 2? Every free agent is going to get mentioned coming to L.A. even if it doesn't seem to be a match. Like I said, L.A. rarely goes after RFAs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolfan in NYC Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Tristan Thompson's agent has "let it be known" he is seeking at or close to a max deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiji Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 That didn't take long. So do they use Love's money on Tristan and a few bench players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 If Chicago loses Jimmy Butler, Bulls fans are going to ________. ...keep hoping Back To The Future 2 was right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig H Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Although, I would guess that the majority of Bulls fans are White Sox fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristobal Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 And why would you guess that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Love has a player option, no? It's not really up to them if he comes back next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolfan in NYC Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Yes, and he has basically said he's back. My guess is because no one is going to give him a max contract based on last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRGoldman Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Yes, and he has basically said he's back. My guess is because no one is going to give him a max contract based on last season. Also opting in and being a free agent with the new cap makes much more financial sense. I think the Cavs can keep both Thompson and Love. We will see what kind of offer Thompson gets from another team, but I'm sure the Cavs will offer him a solid amount of cash. I mean, Dan Gilbert's pitch to LeBron last season was "I have a casino next to the arena, I don't give a fuck about the luxury tax. Miami's ownership let Mike Miller walk and you guys started Rashard Lewis in multiple finals games." I have no doubt that the Cavs will throw cash around. Even if they re-sign both Thompson and Love, which I think is the most likely scenario, they still have the lower MLE and Brendan Haywood's non guaranteed 12m to dangle around. They may end up paying some Nets-esque tax bills, but I'm sure they will find creative ways to change up the roster. Also, I want to say that I'm confident that getting rid of Love is the exact wrong thing to do. Even with Thompson playing the best basketball of his life, the Cavs had to plug in James Jones at the four for long stretches. In game six he played 27 minutes with Thompson at the five. Lebron dragging a bunch of role players and playing great defense is fresh in everyone's mind, after the Mozgov trade, the Cavs were 35-3 in games where Love Irving and James all played. They were a standard deviation better than any other team in the NBA over that stretch including the Warriors in terms of combined efficiency rating. I'm seeing Cavs fans throw out awful Bill Simmons type things like "Love for Ryan Anderson and Tyreke Evans, who says no" and I just want to smack people in the face. No team in the NBA can recover from injuries to their second, third and fourth best players from the start of the season. Any team sustaining those injuries will look like they need to add depth. In truth, depth will come when you have guys like Delly playing as the 9th man instead of 2nd offensive option for 35 minutes a game. The player who started at the five in game one last year will be the third big off the bench. The Cavs will be plenty deep without taking apart a team that was an absolute juggernaught heading in to the playoffs last season. As for needs, it would be great to pick up a cheap back up point guard. Delly has strengths as a player, but dribbling and passing are not among them. I know a lot of Cavs fans want them to make an offer to Cory Joseph, which would be fine. JR Smith has said he's opting out, although he wants to be back with the Cavs. Who knows. If he leaves another wing would be a need because I don't think you can count on a full season from Iman Shumpert. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_MJ_ Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 (edited) I like Thompson's play. I said countless times in the NBA playoff threads, he's going to get paid. It also helps that he and Lebron shared the same management/agent/clique/what the fuck ever. Still, if he wants the max deal, I would make sure there was a clause requiring a significant amount of time devoted to his offensive game. He doesn't need to be The Dream or even Brook Lopez, but he needs a consistent move/jumper outside of a rebound dunk since he's not a legit rim protector. Also, I don't think the Love drama is the Cavs' biggest worry. I would be more concern about the health of their key players. It's real tough for me to believe that a team with Shumpert, Kyrie, Varejao, and maybe add Love in there, can get through a whole season without two or more of them missing a significant time. The Warriors will match any offer to Draymond so if I'm another team, I make them max him out. They're going to have a couple interesting decisions to make soon too. David Lee is obviously getting moved, but I'm not sure how much they can get for him since other teams know they have to move him and they probably don't want to help the champs out too much. Edited June 18, 2015 by _MJ_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallacy! Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 I like Thompson's play. I said countless times in the NBA playoff threads, he's going to get paid. It also helps that he and Lebron shared the same management/agent/clique/what the fuck ever. Still, if he wants the max deal, I would make sure there was a clause requiring a significant amount of time devoted to his offensive game. He doesn't need to be The Dream or even Brook Lopez, but he needs a consistent move/jumper outside of a rebound dunk since he's not a legit rim protector. Also, I don't think the Love drama is the Cavs' biggest worry. I would be more concern about the health of their key players. It's real tough for me to believe that a team with Shumpert, Kyrie, Varejao, and maybe add Love in there, can get through a whole season without two or more of them missing a significant time. The Warriors will match any offer to Draymond so if I'm another team, I make them max him out. They're going to have a couple interesting decisions to make soon too. David Lee is obviously getting moved, but I'm not sure how much they can get for him since other teams know they have to move him and they probably don't want to help the champs out too much. I don't think that's possible. How do you police that? Thompson getting the max would be a crippling contract for whoever gives it to him. Let him walk if that's what he wants. He's too useless offensively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_MJ_ Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 I was being facetious there(well, mostly facetious) about it being a contract requirement. I really do think if you're going offer him big money, you have to at least have a clear discussion with him about what type of offensive committment you're going to need from him to get his money. Of course, he'll say "yes" to that, but I'm thinking laying out a whole offensive training/road map outline for him to agree to isn't a bad idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mco543 Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Lebron wants him and said he should be a Cav for life and he's represented by Lebron's guy so I don't think the Cavs really have any choice in this matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cole Miner Posted June 18, 2015 Author Share Posted June 18, 2015 (edited) Max coming off his rookie deal is a lot different than coming off his 2nd deal. Even if it ends up sounding like a lot now but with the cap increase it shouldn't be all that bad. Doesn't mean it is a great deal though. They'll need a defender like a Taj Gibson if they are going to stick with Love for the rebounding and ranged shooting for his size. Thompson might not be that guy. I think the bigger concern should be Love having better defense numbers during the regular season than Thompson. You have to take assignment into account of course but people comparing Thompson to Rodman are going way overboard. Rodman might do better than that now. Not good considering this season Love battled a bad back through most of it. Edit - Last year Thompson had a better number by around the same gap Love was over him this year. Both were in the positive. Edited June 18, 2015 by Cole Miner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrag Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Butler will sign a short term offer sheet somewhere to set himself up for when the cap raises. The Bulls will match it and that is that. He has already said he is staying in Chicago. Im sure we would rather lock him up for 5 years, but I'm cool with Jimny continuing to bet on himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolfan in NYC Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Well, I guess Tim Duncan is going to stick around about 5 or 6 more seasons. http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2015/06/17/report-pegs-duncans-loss-at-25-million/#33752101=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Hawks buyout Danny Ferry Budenholzer is becoming team President along with being coach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuetsar Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Hawks buyout Danny Ferry Budenholzer is becoming team President along with being coach Isn't this twice when Ferry seems to being a decent job, only to get muscled out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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