RIPPA Posted March 1, 2016 Author Share Posted March 1, 2016 Yeah - JT is making horrible sweeping generalizations that aren't true Especially coming from a man who doesn't have Facebook or Twitter Plenty of us KNEW Jimmy Rave was working (and having good to great matches). Fenix winning by a lot says more to the ease of footage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DylanWaco Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 I'm against J.T. on this one, I've seen enough Rave this year to know he's been really really great, and match to match is better then Fenix is. But Grave Consequences was fucking amazing, and that swayed me. Curious - aside from Muertes matches what's the next best Fenix match during the time period? I'd probably go with the Ciampa match from AAW, though when I watched it I thought Ciampa was really the guy who held it together (sounds like sour grapes to some probably but I'm serious). After that....uh.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted March 1, 2016 Author Share Posted March 1, 2016 AND if one were to use the sample size of a single thread as guidance to what people do or do not know. Well... I am not even going to finish that statement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVA Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 I also love that Jimmy Rave's ass is Jimmy Rave Approved. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DylanWaco Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 If people want to see Jimmy as the angry, mean, Ric Flair in Techwood Drive getting pissed off that Sam Houston dares to fuck with him type match everyone should check out the Chris Crunk match on YouTube. If you want to see him in the Ric Flair is overmatched against more talented babyface but still finds away match, watch his match on YouTube v. AR Fox. Neither would be near the top of my best Rave match list from the last 14 months, but figured i'd pimp them now while they are still relevant to this process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRGoldman Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 I would say that Rave's performance in the SCI as a whole was as impressive as the casket match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DylanWaco Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Well yeah. That was pretty genius. I don't see anyway Fenix could do it. I'm honestly not sure I could name 5 active performers who could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRGoldman Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Well yeah. That was pretty genius. I don't see anyway Fenix could do it. I'm honestly not sure I could name 5 active performers who could. When Fenix had an opportunity to tell a story in a tournament setting, it led to a public apology. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSC Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 If people want to see Jimmy as the angry, mean, Ric Flair in Techwood Drive getting pissed off that Sam Houston dares to fuck with him type match everyone should check out the Chris Crunk match on YouTube. If you want to see him in the Ric Flair is overmatched against more talented babyface but still finds away match, watch his match on YouTube v. AR Fox. Neither would be near the top of my best Rave match list from the last 14 months, but figured i'd pimp them now while they are still relevant to this process. For those of you as lazy as I usually am, here are those two matches... I thought Fenix was gonna be an easy choice, but after the two matches Rippa posted here I am seeking out more because I'm not so sure anymore. Rave's long ass matches are sure killing my productivity in checking out other dudes I need to see more of today, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirSmUgly Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 I mostly watched Jimmy Rave because DylanWaco was going on about him in some article or post or something I was reading, and I enjoy the dude. Actually, there are a ton of guys I never would have known about that I've watched and enjoyed when I saw them (pre-Luke Harper Brodie Lee, Vordell Walker, etc.) because of guys like Waco speaking up about them. I'm up in the Pacific Northwest, so I know nothing about those smaller southern indies, but I find that I'd rather watch a small southern indie than PWG, LU, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiji Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Do we have just one day per match-up? I thought I saw two but I can't find it in the main thread. Also, does anybody know of how to download matches from Rutube in one file? I've been watching at 1.5x speed so I can fit more shit in the voting period but Rutube is pretty rough to navigate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted March 1, 2016 Author Share Posted March 1, 2016 Two days for all matchups Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiji Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Thanks and hooray! I should be able to see enough to feel comfortable voting in all the matchups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Sandwich Carl Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 I knew Rave has had a renaissance, but I didn't realize he's been THIS good. I'm still voting Fenix, but I'm probably going to spend a lot of the next week watching Rave, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Concrete Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Fenix had one of the best matches of the year. I put it at #2 for my Voices of Wrestling MOTY list but outside of that match the body of work compared to Rave, someone who I didn't think was among the most upper echelon wrestlers last year, is bare bones at best. Grave Consequences closes the gap a little bit but there's only so much one match can do in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Man Known as Dan Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 The bright side of this is that even if Fenix wins, it's nice that more people are realizing that Rave is still around and is awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DylanWaco Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 The other bright side is that with Rave bounced in the first round, I can avoid long winded posts in future rounds. I am still a bit annoyed that I didn't get to comp him to Owens though. That would have been fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Man Known as Dan Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 If I'm being honest, regardless of who won this match, I was gonna vote for them over Owens. I don't expect either to win, but Owens seems to wrestle just one match with different opponents tossed into his system, and I'm not crazy about his system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiji Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Not the time nor the place but I disagree wholeheartedly. He wrestles Cena (yuck, those matches...) differently than Zayn (way more storytelling and a methodical pace) than he does that good for nothing jabroni Alex Riley. There are guys who are far guiltier of that formulaic sin than Owens. NJPW and WWE both struggle to differentiate structure in their big epics and it can get pretty damn irksome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Man Known as Dan Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 I should say main show Owens. NXT Owens was awesome, but the Balor matches didn't do much for me (Weak Opponent), the Cena matches were blah, and the rest of his main show matches have just felt like "different versions of the Cena matches." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiji Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Somewhat so. I agree that a lot was lost in his character in the jump up to the main roster though. I'll think about it some more and post when it's the appropriate time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 One match can mean everything. We've had guys with 3 or 4 matches in a calendar year make it deep into the tournament. Also, people forget that this tournament isn't just about ring work, it's about character, it's about whatever you want it to be about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DylanWaco Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Oh sure. Totally agree. Drago for example seems to be winning because of his gear and where he works. The thing is though if character work is a factor (and I do consider it when I vote), the gap between Rave and Fenix gets even bigger to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T. Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 I'm against J.T. on this one, I've seen enough Rave this year to know he's been really really great, and match to match is better then Fenix is. But Grave Consequences was fucking amazing, and that swayed me. How are you against me? I also voted for Fenix, man, and brought up the casket match as the deciding factor for me. I think we all love Jimmy but I just feel that his miracle run under the radar doesn't weigh as much with me as a guy being in a casket match that isn't only my Lucha MOTYC, it is one of my MOTYCs overall. A FUCKING CASKET MATCH~! Yeah - JT is making horrible sweeping generalizations that aren't true Especially coming from a man who doesn't have Facebook or Twitter This is why I also lurk at WON and haunt the dirsheet sites and read the DVDVR, right? To compensate for refusal to send my PII over the grid just in case I have a desire to run for Baltimore city council. And that's why we have stuff like this so all of us can be richer for the knowing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted March 2, 2016 Author Share Posted March 2, 2016 Oh like posts on this board wouldn't be held against you in any political race Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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