Victator Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 Yeah and people have not been burying Swagger for years over shit he has no control over. Get real Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 Where the fuck have they been saying he has any sort of control on how he is booked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Man Known as Dan Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 No, a lot of people really liked Swagger for his ECW run and having good matches. The problem is it seems like he half asses it in the ring now a days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Fresh Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 There's plenty of reason to bury Swagger over the shit he does have control over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Fresh Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 Swagger seems like the most unmotivated wrestler in WWE since the last few days of Carlito. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 Not that you should switch from a Wyatt Family promo, but UWF is on ESPNC right now and Dr. Death just squashed a jobber named... Davey Meltzer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 And he half asses it with good reason. Why should he give a real effort, when the writers don't. You give him something good and he produces good work. You give him shit and he gives it back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Man Known as Dan Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 And he half asses it with good reason. Why should he give a real effort, when the writers don't. You give him something good and he produces good work. You give him shit and he gives it back. You give Cesaro shit, he produces gold. That's how you eventually get a push. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Fresh Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 And he half asses it with good reason. Why should he give a real effort, when the writers don't. You give him something good and he produces good work. You give him shit and he gives it back. That's always the attitude that leads to success in wrestling. "I'll just wait here until someone hands me something I like." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 Cesaro is exactly where he was a year ago and he'll be in the same place a year from now. Good for him for working hard, but it is all a crap shoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 Not that you should switch from a Wyatt Family promo, but UWF is on ESPNC right now and Dr. Death just squashed a jobber named... Davey Meltzer. There's a "Wade Keller" match at some point too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie M. Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 And he half asses it with good reason. Why should he give a real effort, when the writers don't. You give him something good and he produces good work. You give him shit and he gives it back. They were pushing him big back around Mania and he got a DWI. Go team Swagger! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 And he was having good matches, what is your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Man Known as Dan Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 ... He was? I mean, the Del Rio matches were not bad, but Del Rio has had good matches with just about everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 I greatly enjoyed everything he was doing. He was fired up and doing good work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LooseCannon Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 And he half asses it with good reason. Why should he give a real effort, when the writers don't. You give him something good and he produces good work. You give him shit and he gives it back. Guys who often half-ass it if they aren't booked to win matches probably shouldn't be given a strong push just to keep them happy. I actually think WWE has it right in pulling back on pushes on younger wrestlers and seeing how they react (and how the crowd reacts). There are some exceptions when you just need to strap a rocket to the back of a possibly underdeserving wrestler due to a unique alignment of circumstances, but trying to make sure that you only hand out prime spots on the card to performers who will be company guys isn't a bad idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 It is not just winning matches. It is when you are consistently booked like a jobber. There is a distinct difference. I actually think WWE has it right in pulling back on pushes on younger wrestlers and seeing how they react (and how the crowd reacts). So you think creating a roster full of jobbers is a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaedmc Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 I certainly believe there needs to be more jobbers on the roster. Like real ones. Not like Alex Riley, though Alex Riley can become a real one if he wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 And he was having good matches, what is your point? Yours appears to be that good matches trumps a DWI, apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool arrow Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 It is not just winning matches. It is when you are consistently booked like a jobber. There is a distinct difference. I actually think WWE has it right in pulling back on pushes on younger wrestlers and seeing how they react (and how the crowd reacts). So you think creating a roster full of jobbers is a good idea. Well obviously Vince has no problem with emasculating the entire roster so HHH can masturbate his ego all over TV. Or am I still not allowed to say how much I hate the way D-Bry is being booked? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 Never stopped them before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 And he half asses it with good reason. Why should he give a real effort, when the writers don't.You give him something good and he produces good work. You give him shit and he gives it back. That's always the attitude that leads to success in wrestling. "I'll just wait here until someone hands me something I like." He has no obligation to break his neck getting over shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LooseCannon Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 It is not just winning matches. It is when you are consistently booked like a jobber. There is a distinct difference. I actually think WWE has it right in pulling back on pushes on younger wrestlers and seeing how they react (and how the crowd reacts). So you think creating a roster full of jobbers is a good idea. I think letting wrestlers lose feuds is better than 50-50 booking. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 All evidence points to it being worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Fresh Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 And he half asses it with good reason. Why should he give a real effort, when the writers don't.You give him something good and he produces good work. You give him shit and he gives it back.That's always the attitude that leads to success in wrestling. "I'll just wait here until someone hands me something I like."He has no obligation to break his neck getting over shit. And they're under no obligation to give him anything when he track record is that he's not worth a shit. It's time to cut Swagger loose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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