Kyle Casey Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Yeah, at the time the nWo started, HHH wasn't nearly high enough the food chain to have made any impact as the third man. Yeah, maybe. But I can definitely conceive of a scenario where Hall & Nash lobby to have H in the nWo early on. Thinking about it now, I don't think Bischoff would have budged on Hogan as the third man - that was non-negotiable as it was the key to the whole thing. But I can definitely see Hunter coming out with the nWo the next day on Nitro and introducing him that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuerrillaMonsoon Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Probably ends up as being the New Japan contingent. VK Wallstreet and Jean Paul Levesque would have made a great lower card tag team... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumanChessgame Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Why did 2 Cold Scorpio not become a major superstar in either WCW or WWE/WWF? Having recently watched the awesome matches against Benoit at SuperBrawl III and Barry Windham at Clash 23, he should have been an upper card and even main event type of star. Besides the flashy moves, his matches were built well and told good stories. I know there were out of the ring issues, but that was not exactly exclusive to Scorpio during that time period. I probably should watch some of his ECW run, as I know he was a major star there, bit Scorpio;s lack of stardom seems to be one of the big missed opportunities in the big two American companies. Per his shoot interview he had a serious crack addiction during most of his higher profile big company runs. He had cleaned up during his last WWE run and was still just as skilled, but I think he had probably been typecast as a midcarder/JTTS by that time. Shame, I think he's one of the most underrated wrestlers out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlk23 Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 The MSG Curtain Call happened on May 19, 1996. HHH was supposed to win King of the Ring, but Austin did. HHH won the IC title for the first time on October 21, 1996. Five months after the was "punished" he was his first major title. OK. Wrestlemania 12: Lost to the Warrior in 1:40 In Your House 7: Defeat Marc Mero in a Dark Match In Your House 8: Lost to Marc Mero in 16 minutes (May 26th) In Your House 11: Lost to Austin in 15 minutes (Oct. 20th) Won the IC Title the next night on RAW vs. Mero Left off 3-4 PPV's, but his punishment didn't last all that long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nature Boy Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 The Triple H punishment is honestly blown way out of proportion. He didn't win KOTR but got the IC Title (when it meant something) a mere 5 months later? A lot of today's talent would kill for that push. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianS81177 Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Didn't he do a LOT of jobs on TV during that period though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nature Boy Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Didn't he do a LOT of jobs on TV during that period though? Possibly, but they also got back to pushing him relatively quickly too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twiztor Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Didn't he do a LOT of jobs on TV during that period though? yes. didn't we just have this discussion like a month ago and somebody compiled all his televised matches and they were all losses to low talent between those two events? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nature Boy Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 I vaguely recall a discussion and I said the same thing. Here's a spinoff what if though: What if Triple H had won that King of the Ring? Does Austin ever get over? When does HHH get the IC Title and an eventual WWF Title run? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuttsy Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Probably ends up as being the New Japan contingent. VK Wallstreet and Jean Paul Levesque would have made a great lower card tag team... Nah, he wouldn't have been "third man" over but Nash & Hall liked him a lot and by the time Nash got his political stroke at WCW he would've taken care of him - I'd probably compare his hypothetical WCW role to that of Curt Hennig or Jeff Jarrett. Definite US Champion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Why did 2 Cold Scorpio not become a major superstar in either WCW or WWE/WWF? Having recently watched the awesome matches against Benoit at SuperBrawl III and Barry Windham at Clash 23, he should have been an upper card and even main event type of star. Besides the flashy moves, his matches were built well and told good stories. I know there were out of the ring issues, but that was not exactly exclusive to Scorpio during that time period. I probably should watch some of his ECW run, as I know he was a major star there, bit Scorpio;s lack of stardom seems to be one of the big missed opportunities in the big two American companies. Per his shoot interview he had a serious crack addiction during most of his higher profile big company runs. He had cleaned up during his last WWE run and was still just as skilled, but I think he had probably been typecast as a midcarder/JTTS by that time. Shame, I think he's one of the most underrated wrestlers out there. HHH still held a grudge about him being fucked up at WM 13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuerrillaMonsoon Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Can't shake the mental image of instead of Hogan walking out at BATB '96, harpsichord music blares out through the Ocean Centre, and Terra Ryzing wanders out and curtsys at Sting before turning on him, with Bobby Heenan's famous "Whose side is he on?" changed to simply just the first 3 letters. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FluffSnackwell Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 If Rick Rude's back hadn't went kaput in the mid-nineties, (and he had mended fences with Vince) how great would he have been as the head of DX or later on down the line Corporate Champion? He seems like an obvious progenitor/forebearer for cool heels like Hall and Nash and Stone Cold and was certainly headed in that direction considering an oncoming feud against his Vader before his career-ending injury. Although I don't think Rude would've worked quite as well as HBK as the smarmy leader of DX considering how much mileage the latter had to have to gotten being a not particularly well-liked more candyass than "babyface" champion. I think that dichotomy of Bret being a serious even if pretentious hardass compared to HBK the mercurial petty candyass really helped blur the lines that would eventually find Stone Cold being the perfect medium between the two failed top dog douches Hart and HBK. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petey Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 By the time Rick Rude passed away, DX was already dead and the Corporation was in full swing and possibly winding down. I don't think the timelines really match up unless Rude came back like a year before passing and would have been able to immediately wrestle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FluffSnackwell Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 By the time Rick Rude passed away, DX was already dead and the Corporation was in full swing and possibly winding down. I don't think the timelines really match up unless Rude came back like a year before passing and would have been able to immediately wrestle. I was thinking more along the lines of Rude never seriously injuring his back in the first place more so than his apparently being healed enough for a return to in-ring action shortly before he died. So a total hypothetical like if Magnum TA never wrecked his Porsche. Considering that Rude sided with Bret on the Montreal Screwjob it's funny to think if he'd been an active competitor he's one guy Bret likely would've willing to drop the belt to; even in his own precious backyard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 There were a lot of guys he was willing to lose to. Almost anyone on the roster but Shawn Michaels and HHH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FluffSnackwell Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 There were a lot of guys he was willing to lose to. Almost anyone on the roster but Shawn Michaels and HHH. Agreed. For the record though, how many other guys have either balked at or outright protested losing a big match or title in their own backyard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victator Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 I think most big names in wrestling history would have told Vince to fuck off under those circumstances. I can't see Hogan or Austin going along with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FluffSnackwell Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 Mostly I just wish Vader would've snapped and decided to be unprofessional during that whole fiasco between him and Michaels at Summerslam. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenalysis Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 By the time Rick Rude passed away, DX was already dead and the Corporation was in full swing and possibly winding down. I don't think the timelines really match up unless Rude came back like a year before passing and would have been able to immediately wrestle. I was thinking more along the lines of Rude never seriously injuring his back in the first place more so than his apparently being healed enough for a return to in-ring action shortly before he died. So a total hypothetical like if Magnum TA never wrecked his Porsche. Considering that Rude sided with Bret on the Montreal Screwjob it's funny to think if he'd been an active competitor he's one guy Bret likely would've willing to drop the belt to; even in his own precious backyard. I think a non-injured Rude stays in WCW, and is one of the top faces against the NWO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Bugg Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 Mostly I just wish Vader would've snapped and decided to be unprofessional during that whole fiasco between him and Michaels at Summerslam. Seeing as there was no Paul Orndorff backstage in the WWF to sucker punch him for being unprofessional, I would've liked to see it happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spritenaut 32 Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 I woulda probably lost all interest in Rude if he hadn't gotten injured. WCW seemed to be turning him face and he's one of those guys I would have zero interest in after a turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Hattrick Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 Myself, I thought it would have been intriguing to see Rude as a face. The video of him and Honky a while back over the greatest IC champ was weird to see him getting cheered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.J. Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 I know Bret's whole deal is that he IS Canada. But I always thought it was a little unfair of him to pull the "my backyard" card on Vince. Calgary and Montreal are about as far apart as Arizona and Vermont. If Cena refused to drop the belt anywhere in New England, he'd be called selfish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nature Boy Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 I know Bret's whole deal is that he IS Canada. But I always thought it was a little unfair of him to pull the "my backyard" card on Vince. Calgary and Montreal are about as far apart as Arizona and Vermont. If Cena refused to drop the belt anywhere in New England, he'd be called selfish. I think a better example would be if Cena were retiring and refused to drop the title to Rusev in Phoenix because he's an American hero and America is his home turf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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