ALL OUT VI - 9/7/2024

[NoFistsJustFlips]

9 hours ago, The Natural said:

That needle use was fucking disgusting.

Does it make it any less unsavory for you that it was a total gimmick? He stuck a rubber stopper in his cheek before Hangman pulled out his grill. The needle went into the rubber stopper in his cheek. It didn't penetrate his skin or even go into his body at all, was a work. Magic trick.

I'd understand if that doesn't make you feel any better about it. But it's not the same as a death match spot where they really do the needle penetrating the cheek.

[The Outsider]

I'm surprised some people are shocked at Claudio bc for months he's been acting a bit different towards Bryan. I'm guessing folks just brushed it off as "Claudio being frustrated about losing" but it was slowly building up. Also, considering how Nigel's been suggesting Wheeler leave Bryan for weeks, I can see this being a thing where Wheeler will have to choose between continuing to learn under "The Best Wrestler Alive" or stepping up and wanting to surpass Bryan. 

[COLETTI]

100% of the time, I would rather have a needle stuck through my cheek than take the majority of bumps that these folks take on a frequent basis - and I get woozy every time I get blood taken  

When you think about it, it's a testament (good or bad) that a tiny needle can be considered "extreme" in an exhibition where people regularly break bones, tear ligaments, and receive concussions. 

[NoFistsJustFlips]

7 hours ago, just drew said:

There's not a bar in America that Nick and Matt could walk into and fight their way out of, no matter how close they are. They're flippy homeschooled weirdos with zero shoot experience. Why am I supposed to believe they can fight anyone who's actually been in a fight?

This is the dumbest fucking take. It's a fucking show. None of these guys are claiming to be bar fighters. They're actors / athletes / entertainers. Gal Gadot isn't winning any bar fights but she still wins in Wonder Woman movies. Bob Odenkirk is old as shit and couldn't win any bar fights. Didn't make Nobody any less of a fun action movie. Tom Brady couldn't win a bar fight, doesn't make him any less of an amazing athlete.

If you care so much about bar fights go watch bootleg bum fights videos down the rabbit hole and quite using this insane talking point as some sort of gotchya evidence to support your weird grudge.

[Octopus]

I’m seeing people making the joke “Danielson realizing Kingston was right about Claudio” lol

[Steventon]

Man that main event was fucking gnarly. And the 'they've gone to far!!!' pearl clutching makes it even gnarlier.

I thought it was easily their best match and a highlight for both dudes. Hangman still has no idea of long term selling, but structurally it was way better than the TDM. Swerve's character and range of emotions though the match made it hit so much harder than the majority of other extreme violence matches. Needle spots have always felt like gross 'look how hardcore we are' deathmatch spots so the fact they gimmicked it makes me respect it more.

Its worth reflecting on how chairshots like that were commonplace in the 90s and 2000s, but here it was treated like a real 'he's crossed the line' death move that wasn't acceptable and left everyone in shock. 

The way the crowd GASPED and SHREIKED when Hangman teased going back to the ring sealed the deal for me.

[StuntmanCrowley]

I fucking love AEW.  That's all I have to add.

[Just Adam Bay Bay]

41 minutes ago, NoFistsJustFlips said:

This is the dumbest fucking take. It's a fucking show. None of these guys are claiming to be bar fighters. They're actors / athletes / entertainers. Gal Gadot isn't winning any bar fights but she still wins in Wonder Woman movies. Bob Odenkirk is old as shit and couldn't win any bar fights. Didn't make Nobody any less of a fun action movie. Tom Brady couldn't win a bar fight, doesn't make him any less of an amazing athlete.

If you care so much about bar fights go watch bootleg bum fights videos down the rabbit hole and quite using this insane talking point as some sort of gotchya evidence to support your weird grudge.

But But Claudio could’ve kicked both their asses, and I’ll throw in a non clever pun on Adam Cole who wasn’t even part of the damn show, but I can’t quit fixating on him anyhow.

Like why is Drew still even here? He doesn’t try to have good faith discussions and he cries if he’s called out on his nonsense. Plus going after one of my personal favorite posters in Gordlow for daring to have an opinion is nonsense.

And to keep this on topic the only match I thought underdelivered all night was Mercedes/Shida. I think Mercedes has been an awful investment so far, and they need to stop pushing her like she’s the best female talent they have (hint to me she’s not even the best female champion in AEW).

To whomever compared the main event to the original Saw movie that’s a perfect analogy. It was more psychological than anything else. To me it was my second favorite match of the night (behind the Ospreay/PAC classic). 

Maybe I’m just used to violence whether in movies or wrestling too, but the only spot that made me uncomfortable was Mox with the bag, and that did what I think they wanted which was remind me of Terry Funk and Ric Flair from 1989. Plus it does add to the build for Mox vs Bryan at WrestleDream whether it’s for the belt or just to settle things after Darby wins it at Grand Slam. 

[The Natural]

10 hours ago, The Natural said:

That needle use was fucking disgusting.

 

10 hours ago, The Natural said:

The use of the needle and the plastic bag on Bryan Danielson soured me on AEW.

 

1 hour ago, NoFistsJustFlips said:

Does it make it any less unsavory for you that it was a total gimmick? He stuck a rubber stopper in his cheek before Hangman pulled out his grill. The needle went into the rubber stopper in his cheek. It didn't penetrate his skin or even go into his body at all, was a work. Magic trick.

I'd understand if that doesn't make you feel any better about it. But it's not the same as a death match spot where they really do the needle penetrating the cheek.

Thank you. I'm glad it was gimmicked but it's still wasn't something I want to see in wrestling. Went too far. I can see barbed wire, thumbtacks and glass alright in wrestling but things like needles, no. When I get a blood test, I'm anxious getting one and what might turn up also so that doesn't help either.

[Octopus]

 

[The Natural]

I'm looking forward to Bryan Danielson vs. Claudio Castagnoli again as they have great chemistry. I'm really not looking forward to Bryan Danielson vs. Jon Moxley again, they only clicked once at AEW Revolution 2022 and their AEW Grand Slam Dynamite 2022 match is one of Bryan Danielson's worst ever matches. Hopefully it'll be more the first than the second but I'd still rather see Danielson versus someone else.

[mystman]

Wow, this was the darkest show AEW has ever put on, I think. The heels dominated, Willow was in a vicious street fight, the BCC turn, and the main event was a horror show match between a formerly loveable cowboy turned psycho versus a complete sociopath. 

As for talk of friendship in wrestling, I understand the feelings. But in the end, wrestling is about individual men and women beating up each other. The lone wolf individualism is baked right in there. Friendship is nice once in a while, a feel good moment here and there. But it can't be present all of the time. 

[The Natural]

I can't unsee this but since Hangman Adam Page came back with the moustache, he reminds me of Casey Webb. Probably just me.

[Stefanie Sparkleface]

1 hour ago, NoFistsJustFlips said:

This is the dumbest fucking take. It's a fucking show. None of these guys are claiming to be bar fighters. They're actors / athletes / entertainers. Gal Gadot isn't winning any bar fights but she still wins in Wonder Woman movies. Bob Odenkirk is old as shit and couldn't win any bar fights. Didn't make Nobody any less of a fun action movie. Tom Brady couldn't win a bar fight, doesn't make him any less of an amazing athlete.

If you care so much about bar fights go watch bootleg bum fights videos down the rabbit hole and quite using this insane talking point as some sort of gotchya evidence to support your weird grudge.

To support your point, Haku and the Barbarian could have beaten up the entire population of the planet at one point, and they lost all the time. Legitimate toughness has only mattered in pro wrestling if you worked for Bill Watts.

[Octopus]

I forget the verbiage but Excalibur and Schiavone talking about how Yuta was the best ROH Pure champion and Nigel playing up being irritated was funny. Small moments.

[Craig H]

AEW fucking rules. I’ve been waiting for TK to re-use the Flair/Funk angle and the Homicide/Colt angle and I’m going to laugh like fucking crazy when Mox tries to pour Drano down Danielson’s throat. 

The cage match ruled the world. Fuck plastic bags and needles. These psychos were taking bumps on an actual cinder block. 

I need to watch the rest of the show. I didn’t get home until midnight from a marching band competition so I started watching, immediately fell asleep, woke up for the world title match and got a second wind  that ended right about when the show ended.

[Steventon]

As for the rest of the show, I thought Danielson vs Perry was very good, though they were somewhat limited by how far they could go with the violence and drama without overshadowing both the post-match angle and the main event. It struck me about halfway through, they were essentially doing a poor man's Kobashi vs Ogawa, which is exactly what it should have been. Perry absolutely FLEW bumping for those Busaiku Knees.

I wasn't shocked by the BCC turn but it was still really well done and impactful. The bag did feel a step past what is acceptable... as much as in terms of walking the lines of whats believable in pro wrestling. But I guess Moxley's character is a guy who is dangerous so it's on brand. Really interested where this is going, considering Moxley has been calling out Darby, who challenges Danielson in 2 weeks. Is he trying to recruit Darby? Pump him up for the match? Or just be an agent of chaos? Either way I am more into this now then I was beforehand.

Mone vs Shida, the fourway and tag matches were all OK but unremarkable.

Willow vs Stat was a good match with some sick moments but they were trying too hard to shoehorn in the 'we are equal' stuff. Stat winning clean was a surprise. They have 2 heel champs in the womens division so where do they all go from here.

PAC vs Ospreay was the exact match I knew it would be. Some will have lost their mind over this 8* match, for me it was them indulging their worst tendencies. 

Will have to rewatch MJF vs Garcia as I missed a lot of it. The post-match angle was great, though a bit odd for MJF to still sneak out the win if they are pushing Garcia here?

 

Also, back to the main event, Nana was so good in his role. I howled at his trash talk to Hangman. I was a big fan of him in ROH but his work in AEW has cemented him as a GOAT level manager

Edited September 8 by Steventon

[Octopus]

The acting by everyone involved in the BCC turn was spectacular. Yuta made that moment. Claudio is a prick again with how smug his stupid face is. PAC is tough and a cold bastard. Mox is a psycho militant. Shafir is a badass stomping on Danielson. And poor Danielson’s shock after the betrayal. Good stuff. I knew it would happen, thought it wouldn’t here with the failed cash in, then went “Oooooooohhhhhhhhh” when it did. Good fun.

[The Natural]

1 minute ago, Octopus said:

The acting by everyone involved in the BCC turn was spectacular. Yuta made that moment. Claudio is a prick again with how smug his stupid face is. PAC is tough and a cold bastard. Mox is a psycho militant. Shafir is a badass stomping on Danielson. And poor Danielson’s shock after the betrayal. Good stuff. I knew it would happen, thought it wouldn’t here with the failed cash in, then went “Oooooooohhhhhhhhh” when it did. Good fun.

I hope we don't get a stupid swerve that Yuta was really in on it. I'm the low voter on the BCC. I preferred Danielson away from them with the exception of Claudio.

[Curt McGirt]

1 hour ago, Steventon said:

The way the crowd GASPED and SHREIKED when Hangman teased going back to the ring sealed the deal for me.

That was so gnarly. 

Anyway you probably know how I feel about the match. Go figure, I miss the last PPV but catch this one. I was actually surprised how little blood was in it. The needle spot was stupid (skewers would have been better) but the chairshot... disgusting. They even went wide on camera when it happened. Nana deserves a payraise for his work in this alone -- "YOU STUPID IDIOT", "KILL HIM", he was just totally fucking ON last night. Really when you look back some of this was safer than it looks at first. Like the powerbomb on block from Page, he landed on his hip instead of his back. The powerbomb from Swerve, THAT was pretty gross, but more painful looking than dangerous probably. Needle spot was a work. Chair wasn't probably. You have to look at these things with a bit of an eye for gimmicks and working but instead a lot are taking it on face value, which means it did its job. Now, whether you think arson, flame throwers and 'tempt murder are things to have in wrestling is another matter. 

The bag was clearly safe enough to do. Mox has probably been wanting to do that forever. (BTW, he was in a more brutal match than the main too, with Sami Callihan in the Cage of Death.) Far as the match went I thought Perry was just fine. He stalled well, he took those knees like an absolute champ bumping huge for them, and he died on his sword at the end. The BCC break was unexpected but Claudio going against Danielson was the real surprise to me. Holding back a crying Yuta was so good. It's cool that they added a woman to the group which nobody seems to have mentioned so far. 

The only other matches I caught were the four-man, which was really damn good, and the Chicago Street Fight. The former might've been one of the best multi-mans they've ever pulled off. Lots of real resistance, logical ways to be knocked out of competition, good saves. The Street Fight was the match of the night I'm sure. It was sooooooooo stiff, which the cage match really wasn't (aside from the big spots -- people are sleeping on the powerbomb into the cage btw, nasty). And Kris won! That took some balls to do. 

[The Natural]

12 minutes ago, Octopus said:

The acting by everyone involved in the BCC turn was spectacular. Yuta made that moment. Claudio is a prick again with how smug his stupid face is. PAC is tough and a cold bastard. Mox is a psycho militant. Shafir is a badass stomping on Danielson. And poor Danielson’s shock after the betrayal. Good stuff. I knew it would happen, thought it wouldn’t here with the failed cash in, then went “Oooooooohhhhhhhhh” when it did. Good fun.

 

9 minutes ago, The Natural said:

I hope we don't get a stupid swerve that Yuta was really in on it. I'm the low voter on the BCC. I preferred Danielson away from them with the exception of Claudio.

BCC are World Trios Champions under Claudio/PAC/Yuta. Guessing they'll Freebird it. Last thing you need is another tournament. Glad Marina Shafir is there.

Edited September 8 by The Natural

[The Natural]

25 minutes ago, Octopus said:

I forget the verbiage but Excalibur and Schiavone talking about how Yuta was the best ROH Pure champion and Nigel playing up being irritated was funny. Small moments.

As well as McGuinness should be. I'm glad the ROH Pure Championship was brought back, it was an element making ROH stand out.

[Curt McGirt]

We're talking about the hypo but how about the chain around Willow's mouth? Which is worse? Which would probably hurt more, even?

[NoFistsJustFlips]

4 minutes ago, Curt McGirt said:

Needle spot was a work. Chair wasn't probably.

Sorry to be the guy over explaining and ruining the magic, and I'll stop if you guys want me to. But I think giving away some of the secrets to the super dangerous stuff is putting some people more at ease with the violence.

The seat on the chair was grinded down to the thickness / pliability of a cookie sheet or the aluminum trash cans. If you look the bottom of the chair leg had a pink sticker on it. So they guys would know it's the gimmicked one. They also took out the hinges that keep the seat connected to the frame. It was a nasty loud sound. But the seat gave immediately. And the thickness was no different than standard cookie sheet shots. It was just so well done it looked like death.

Kudos to the truck for doing the pull back wide shot at the exact right time too. Really added to the effect.

[Craig H]

Supposedly there’s a shot from the crowd where the chair is broken before it even makes contact. Still doesn’t make it any less gnarly. Great finish.

You all are making me look forward to Willow vs Stat more than PAC vs Ospreay.