Cobra Commander Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 Would Bochy have been eligible for this ballot if he was stayed retired? (He last managed the Giants in 2019 and I don’t know if the cutoff was 2018 or 2019) Mike Scioscia seems like a guy who might need another good stint to get over the hump. Dave Roberts is a few years away from having an interesting HOF case as a manager since he managed teams that won a lot but some people see him as a figurehead for the system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinit Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 Cito better get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabe Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Infinit said: Cito better get it. Based on what? He managed for 12 years and had 2 good years and was under .500 five times. I know he's got the two titles but, man, he did basically nothing else. Lemme put it another way - he's a guy that should be in Toronto's Ring of Fame or whatever. Local legend for two titles. Celebrated constantly, never has to buy a beer again. But an all-time great manager? Nah. Edited October 20, 2023 by Tabe 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Commander Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 Cito is probably really hindered by not getting any jobs aside from Toronto. I also forgot about the second Cito stint 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdA Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 2 hours ago, Cobra Commander said: Would Bochy have been eligible for this ballot if he was stayed retired? (He last managed the Giants in 2019 and I don’t know if the cutoff was 2018 or 2019) Mike Scioscia seems like a guy who might need another good stint to get over the hump. Dave Roberts is a few years away from having an interesting HOF case as a manager since he managed teams that won a lot but some people see him as a figurehead for the system. Rippa and I had to look up Scioscia. He is just outside the cutoff for this ballot. So Bochy would also be after the cutoff. And yeah. It FEELS like Scioscia needs a more - like another title for sure, or 5 or so more years as manager. I'm not in love with him as a candidate but you could lump him with Leyland, Piniella and Davey Johnson and he wouldn't feel that out of place. I have no feel for Dave Roberts at all. He's just a guy with a title and there are lots of them not in the Hall. But I also have no feel for how modern managers are going to be evaluated after Francona, Dusty and Bochy get in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdA Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Cobra Commander said: Cito is probably really hindered by not getting any jobs aside from Toronto. I also forgot about the second Cito stint Yeah. Not getting a second real gig after the Jays went up in flames THEN his second Jays stint being bad does not put him in any kind of good light. Like Tabe said, there's really nothing there with Cito. Two rings? Ralph Houk has that and is not in. And Cito doesn't have the win totals to pump his record. He was just a guy at the right place at the right time who was given an All Star team and was smart enough to not screw it up. Good for him and Jays fans. The flags fly forever. That doesn't make you a HOFer though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Commander Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 another modern manager who might be one successful job away from getting into the conversation for the HOF? Joe Maddon. But the Angels thing probably moved him away from the Hall so he'd need his equivalent to a Jim Leyland run at the very least as for how modern managers are evaluated, maybe there'll be more value to sticking around and having success in an era where there's less managerial control. But I'm of the POV that if certain things become less important for managers, the stuff that managers have to do becomes more important. So keeping clubhouses running smoothly is more important now since that's one thing that can't really be micromanaged Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdA Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 5 minutes ago, Cobra Commander said: another modern manager who might be one successful job away from getting into the conversation for the HOF? Joe Maddon. But the Angels thing probably moved him away from the Hall so he'd need his equivalent to a Jim Leyland run at the very least as for how modern managers are evaluated, maybe there'll be more value to sticking around and having success in an era where there's less managerial control. But I'm of the POV that if certain things become less important for managers, the stuff that managers have to do becomes more important. So keeping clubhouses running smoothly is more important now since that's one thing that can't really be micromanaged Yeah. Maddon was on the path with the Cubs WS win. Then the Cubs run went sideways. No prob! Dusty's Chicago managerial run went up in flames too! A fella can rebound. The the Angels run happened and he now is just Billy Martin without the bar fights. Another run with a team he can turn around gets him into consideration. Like if he could make Colorado a non-sinkhole then he clearly would be John McGraw 2.0 like he seems to think he is. As to modern managers, I feel you're on the right track. It's probably going to completely come down to evaluating guys who have really long tenures - regardless of records - and tons of post-season appearances since even writers are starting to grasp the post-season is a crapshoot. That said, I sort of feel there will be a long stretch after the wave of Francona, Dusty, Bochy before we see a modern manager put in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Commander Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 It'll be like starting pitchers where some people probably think it'll be really hard to pick HOF pitchers since there'll be a fewer pitchers with huge win totals.. and then somehow they'll find guys to induct in time until then, they might get around to inducting Tommy John to pass some time. The only pitchers who pitched in the last 100 years with 250 wins who aren't in the hall are Clemens, Tommy John, Moyer, Verlander, Pettitte, and CC Sabathia. Two of those guys are on the roids blacklist. Moyer and John are probably penalized for pitching forever and just amassing stats. Verlander will be in. I think they'll induct CC. After that group, there's Bartolo Colon with 247 wins who pitched forever and had a PED suspension that we all agreed to forget about because he's a goofy looking large guy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamhock Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 I have a soft spot for Moyer; it’s impressive to pitch that well across four different decades. I wish there was a Curiosities wing at the Hall of Fame for outliers like him and John. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 Ive always said there’s room in the Hall, esp having been there in July, to honor people with an exhibit without them being inducted. things like Bert Campaneris playing all 9 positions in a game or someone that hit 2 grand slams in one game or other oddities records. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elizium Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 The Hard Hittin Mark Whiten Wing 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted October 22, 2023 Author Share Posted October 22, 2023 For reasons that are baffling - the Giants are interested in Bob Melvin as their manager so the Padres (who clearly can't believe their luck) have granted him permission to interview for the job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolfan in NYC Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 Cleveland is kicking the tires on Stephen Vogt for their managerial job. He has also interviewed with San Francisco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Cincinnati Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted October 24, 2023 Author Share Posted October 24, 2023 On 10/22/2023 at 4:46 PM, RIPPA said: For reasons that are baffling - the Giants are interested in Bob Melvin as their manager so the Padres (who clearly can't believe their luck) have granted him permission to interview for the job The Giants are indeed gonna hire Melvin because they hate success Official announcement won’t be until after the World Series Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted October 25, 2023 Author Share Posted October 25, 2023 Mets have officially received permission to hire... err... interview Craig Counsell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted October 25, 2023 Author Share Posted October 25, 2023 Giants have made the Melvin hire official Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted October 25, 2023 Author Share Posted October 25, 2023 Dusty Baker told the USA Today he is retiring News conference set for tomorrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted October 25, 2023 Author Share Posted October 25, 2023 The Red Sox have hired former MLB reliever and Cubs assistant GM Craig Breslow to be Chief Baseball Officer (basically their version of GM) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted October 31, 2023 Author Share Posted October 31, 2023 Frank Howard - one of baseball's great forgotten mashers - passed away yesterday at the age of 87 I met Howard a couple of times at Old Timers Days/Card shows, etc... (he was a coach with the Yanks pretty much my entire time in High School) I thought I was a large man... Howard put me to shame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted November 1, 2023 Author Share Posted November 1, 2023 Twins TV broadcaster Dick Bremer - who has been calling Twins game since for what seems like the beginning of time - is stepping away from the booth He will remain with the organization as "special assistant to the front office" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted November 1, 2023 Author Share Posted November 1, 2023 Well that would explain them announcing they are slashing payroll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolfan in NYC Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 Well, I guess we now know how Portland or Salt Lake are gonna get their MLB team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted November 2, 2023 Author Share Posted November 2, 2023 Nelson Cruz has announced his retirement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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