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WrestleZAYNia XXXIX - 4/1 & 4/2/2023


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Just now, Niners Fan in CT said:

On WWE's YouTube page there's a Bloodline story recap that's about 2 hours long, it hits on most of the major plot points.  People can go watch that are refresh their memory. I'm not going to spend anymore time arguing about it. 

Question: Even if the Billion Dollar company made the decision to end the biggest title run they've had since Hogan's lose the belt to a tag team specialist with no real track record as a draw (which they will not do, and you know exactly how silly you are being for suggesting they will), why couldn't they just run the Jey/Roman angle being, you know. Non Title? Like a sane company? 

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3 minutes ago, Niners Fan in CT said:

Saying Jey Uso has "no shot" but The Rock does... what?   What in the world.  Dwayne is not ending this run.  

 

One has a chance to do the thing WWE dreams of constantly (Pulling in the non-wrestling fans) and the other doesn't. Jey Uso is a good wrestler, but he's also not someone anyone outside of wrestling circles has ever heard of. It's not complicated.

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4 minutes ago, Niners Fan in CT said:

On WWE's YouTube page there's a Bloodline story recap that's about 2 hours long, it hits on most of the major plot points.  People can go watch that are refresh their memory. I'm not going to spend anymore time arguing about it. 

You don’t need to defend yourself on what you like or shouldn’t feel you need to. If you’re happy with the results, I’m pretty happy for you and I generally enjoy your posts. I guess I don’t understand the passion and irritation you had towards @Belgian_Waffle when he was speaking towards his own feelings. Someone saying they didn’t like something doesn’t mean they think it will fail as a company or other people shouldn’t enjoy it.

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1 minute ago, The Man Known as Dan said:

 

 

One has a chance to do the thing WWE dreams of constantly (Pulling in the non-wrestling fans) and the other doesn't. 

If The Rock has a match vs. Roman, that means WWE already has your money.  Why would they need to have him go over when he obviously would not be sticking around? The tickets would already be sold.  He puts over Roman no questions asked. 

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11 minutes ago, Krone said:

Can we at least acknowledge the absolute banger that was the IC Title triple threat match? That was probably the best hard hitting match in WWE history and the right man went over for sure. For all the talks of Roman losing the belt, etc. I wouldn't be sad at all to see Gunther be the guy to dethrone him. He has been built up as an absolute monster and is putting out some excellent matches. I wonder who challenges for the IC Title after this, because that belt most certainly has a strong style feel attached to it with Gunther holding it down. (I'm sure I'll get pushback on this) But I for one had almost hoped that was the main event of night one because I'll be damned if that title isn't getting elevated by the Austrian with each passing match.

I actually want Gunther be the guy to dethrone the guy that dethrones Roman. 

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3 minutes ago, The Man Known as Dan said:

I have no real dog in this fight once Sammy lost, as I don't particularly care about Cody Rhodes. Even with that said, I truly don't understand what this company is doing. Cody was getting monster reactions, even survived "Hand picked Babyface the crowd is super behind against the straight forward pick the company once" thing that has murdered others. Even when Sammy lost and I hated it, I did understand Cody winning at Mania made a lot of sense and could understand the argument against it.

Now? I have no clue what they are thinking. I do know any and all talking points about "Jey is gonna take the title of Roman!" is stupid. It's not going to happen and thinking it is silly. And there was nothing at all from keeping the Roman/Jey storyline non-title post Roman winning and it still not being a huge deal. The only thing that feels right is they are still just fishing for Roman/Rock, and man, do I not care about waiting a year to watch a 51 year old come back and end a title reign that has existed for 3 years. They have nobody on the docket that makes sense. I just don't get it.

What makes sense is that Vince is back, he merged/sold his company and he wants "his guy" to be the face of the company coming out of the show tomorrow, and I'm sure he wasn't the only one.  From that perspective it totally makes sense

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Fuck if "Pulling in non-wrestling fans" is the criteria for beating Roman then get the strap on Logan Paul right now. Of everything that happened Mania weekend, Logan and KSI had BY FAR the biggest reach in my friend/co-worker circles.

Knowing I'm 'the wrestling fan' I was hit from every angle with "OMG did you see KSI in the wrestling?" when I came into the office today.

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1 minute ago, Niners Fan in CT said:

Ax didn't have a 3-year story playing out with Hogan did he?  You're saying shit just to say it. 

Doesn’t really matter, it’s the same idea in theory. Let’s say Demolition was involved with the story, and had been from the start. Who should end a 4 year reign - a dude from a tag team who was the catalyst, or anyone else? The entire point of everyone arguing with you is that the story doesn’t. need. the. title. It possibly even works BETTER without it.

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Just now, Niners Fan in CT said:

If The Rock has a match vs. Roman, that means WWE already has your money.  Why would they need to have him go over when he obviously would not be sticking around? The tickets would already be sold.  He puts over Roman no questions asked. 

Quite simply, I can come up with zero other reason for why this company didn't chose this moment to make a superstar. They aren't going to get another chance like this. And, once more, you still haven't clarified once why they couldn't do the Roman/Jey thing and have it be non-title. 

 

Jey Uso, good wrestler, been great in this role, will never be the guy who you can trot out as the face of the company. If you are ending a 3 year title reign, and you aren't getting that in the payoff, what were you even fucking doing?

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33 minutes ago, A_K said:

 

Roman is money. He'll drop the belts this year, but he wasn't doing it at WM. He put the company on his back and ran with it: did you really think they were going to let the AEW guy saunter in and take the mantle from him at WM? Please.

Roman has been having a top tier run but just because the company is worth 9 billion currently has nothing to do with him as Champion. That's not taking anything away from Roman. If they where going to but the title on Cody they should have done it at Mania. If they do it at Summerslam, it might be cool but it won't get the same Reaction. Back when they prolonged Roman's title win at WM 31 and That other WM match against Brock, it was done just as a last minute Swerve on Vinces part. Whatever plan they have for Roman to drop the title is most likely something they've had planned a while back. I don't know if you have any more strong believable challenger to him outside of someone in the Bloodline. Unless Big E had a miraculous recovery and they were able to build the biggest comeback story and have him go over Roman

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1 hour ago, ExcellenceofAirPollution said:

I lived through that shit cmon bro.  He's way more over and WWE is doing record business.  you gotta be trollin

Yes, I'm trolling. But if WWE doesn't want lapsed fans back like me....this is a great way to do it.

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1 minute ago, Casey said:

Doesn’t really matter, it’s the same idea in theory. Let’s say Demolition was involved with the story, and had been from the start. Who should end a 4 year reign - a dude from a tag team who was the catalyst, or anyone else? The entire point of everyone arguing with you is that the story doesn’t. need. the. title. It possibly even works BETTER without it.

Again, that's just a hypothetical.  The reality is that they've been not even all that subtlety telling the viewers that Jey Uso is going to be fighting Roman sooner than later.  You couldn't possibly have missed this. 

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1 hour ago, Andrew POE! said:

Not to be a jerk but fuck it....I hope fans at Raw tomorrow attack Roman Reigns. Don't give him a chance to speak and do his boring promos talking about how he won, etc....they should try to hurt him.

Because, eventually what the WWE is doing is going to backfire on them.

Oh and I cancelled my Peacock service after the finish to the main event.

I say this with absolute sincerity, but you need to seek help.

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7 minutes ago, Casey said:

Doesn’t really matter, it’s the same idea in theory. Let’s say Demolition was involved with the story, and had been from the start. Who should end a 4 year reign - a dude from a tag team who was the catalyst, or anyone else? The entire point of everyone arguing with you is that the story doesn’t. need. the. title. It possibly even works BETTER without it.

Is WWE Tag Team GOAT Jey Uso beating Roman any more/less believable than midcard tag team guys like Jungle Boy or Darby Allin potentially beating MJF?

I love a whole heap of what AEW does but they are absolutely terrible at following up the booking once they have their 'moment'. It's actually almost peak Vince WWE at this point. Like the Joker from the Dark Knight, they are a dog chasing cars. They don't know what to do when they catch one.

At least with Roman we are debating the believability of multiple legitimate options - Cody, Jey, Rollins, Gunther, Bron, Dwayne - for what is an absolutely all time run.
 

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4 minutes ago, The Man Known as Dan said:

Jey Uso, good wrestler, been great in this role, will never be the guy who you can trot out as the face of the company. If you are ending a 3 year title reign, and you aren't getting that in the payoff, what were you even fucking doing?

Bro,  Hogan's 4-year title reign ended on a screwjob finish with an evil twin referee to Andre The Giant who then SOLD the title to Million Dollar Man who was then stripped of the belt.. and that all led to one of the best stories they told of that era between Hogan and Macho. It was convoluted as all hell but in the end it worked out fine.  Hogan went on for another year after that. 

There's nothing that says Roman needs to drop the belt directly to his successor. 

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1 minute ago, L_W_P said:

Is WWE Tag Team GOAT Jey Uso beating Roman any more/less believable than midcard tag team guys like Jungle Boy or Darby Allin potentially beating MJF?

I love a whole heap of what AEW does but they are absolutely terrible at following up the booking once they have their 'moment'. It's actually almost peak Vince WWE at this point. Like the Joker from the Dark Knight, they are a dog chasing cars. They don't know what to do when they catch one.

At least with Roman we are debating the believability of multiple legitimate options - Cody, Jey, Rollins, Gunther, Bron, Dwayne - for what is an absolutely all time run.
 

Man, I don't even like AEW, but describing Darby Allin as a "midcard tag team guy" is a really shitty characterization. Say what you will about Jungle Boy, but Darby has been one of there best talents.

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4 minutes ago, L_W_P said:

Is WWE Tag Team GOAT Jey Uso beating Roman any more/less believable than midcard tag team guys like Jungle Boy or Darby Allin potentially beating MJF?

I’d honestly say it’s the same amount of believability. In that I don’t think Jey Uso (or Sami last month) is/was going to beat Roman, much like I don’t (and didn’t) think Danielson, Darby, Jungle Boy or Sammy will beat MJF.

The only “believable” option from both companies for both champion’s recent matches was tonight, with Cody.

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They really just redid the exact same finish from Clash at the Castle l o l. "omg who the---its solo !", spear and done.  Outcome whatever, but the actual finish. weak as fuck.

Cool that the reign continues but I'm no longer interested in whoever ends it whenever. Cody winning MITB and then winning at SummerSlam whatever, will not have the same effect/feeling/moment/reaction/pop/etc. That's all dead now.
As others have alluded to, the Nightmare Express has now concluded the Call to Action campaign. I don't think anyone else will ever be as believable to do it as Cody was tonight, certainly not bron breakker just losing in nxt, or anyone else.

 

 

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