December 2022 Wrestling Discussion

[TheVileOne]

This whole situation makes my brain hurt. What I don't get is WWE continuing to push Mandy Rose to the moon and like putting her over everyone through all of this.

Not only that, was Mandy Rose on like some terrible contract she badly wanted out of? Like you can do a FanTime thing anytime. Why burn a WWE bridge just to get some extra side money? Why not work out your contract, leave and then start your FanTime thing?

[Elsalvajeloco]

3 minutes ago, John E. Dynamite said:

As we'd all imagine, excitable men all over the internet are just dying to share their knowledge on the current subject. I have gleaned that Mandy was posting content "less Toni Storm, more Paige VanZant". I know you don't need an explanation. But I have no idea what kind of content Valerie Loureda is putting out there.

Yeah, PVZ ain't messing around. My larger point is Valerie just started training to become a wrestler like three weeks ago and her notoriety comes strictly from posting racy content. It might not be full on PVZ where she's posting hardcore pictures with her husband, but at the same time, that probably should fall under the morality clause as well. Moreover, even if she decided to go into that lane, it's not like hiring a straight up adult film actor/entertainer. In order to find the content, you have to go behind a paywall. You would have to be actively searching for it.

[SirSmUgly]

1 minute ago, TheVileOne said:

This whole situation makes my brain hurt. What I don't get is WWE continuing to push Mandy Rose to the moon and like putting her over everyone through all of this.

Not only that, was Mandy Rose on like some terrible contract she badly wanted out of? Like you can do a FanTime thing anytime. Why burn a WWE bridge just to get some extra side money? Why not work out your contract, leave and then start your FanTime thing?

I would guess that in this case, the WWE contract ended up being the extra side money.

Good for this person. She can make bank without scrambling her brains taking bumps.

[DEAN]

1 minute ago, SirSmellingtonofCascadia said:

I would guess that in this case, the WWE contract ended up being the extra side money.

Good for this person. She can make bank without scrambling her brains taking bumps.

That's what Toni Storm said.

[TheVileOne]

1 minute ago, DEAN said:

That's what Toni Storm said.

Yes but Toni Storm waited until she left WWE to start an OnlyFans, and she still signed with AEW. And they don't have a hard policy about things like that so it's no big deal.

I guess this whole thing has taken me by surprise because I had no indication that Mandy Rose was unhappy and was dissatisfied with her pay. Seemed like she was finally on her way to becoming a top star.

[Casey]

I said it in the WWE TV thread, but it applies here too now especially: for one post, it was a $165 PPV message. If only like, 500 people bought that… that’s almost triple what I make in a year. And that’s for one picture/video. There are tons more for varying prices.

Yeah, I’d burn that fuckin’ bridge too.

[DEAN]

1 minute ago, TheVileOne said:

Yes but Toni Storm waited until she left WWE to start an OnlyFans, and she still signed with AEW. And they don't have a hard policy about things like that so it's no big deal.

I guess this whole thing has taken me by surprise because I had no indication that Mandy Rose was unhappy and was dissatisfied with her pay. Seemed like she was finally on her way to becoming a top star.

Oh I just want to see her in AEW.  That will be awesome.  I also dig that she takes ownership of her body like Toni Storm did.

[TheVileOne]

4 minutes ago, Casey said:

I said it in the WWE TV thread, but it applies here too now especially: for one post, it was a $165 PPV message. If only like, 500 people bought that… that’s almost triple what I make in a year. And that’s for one picture/video. There are tons more for varying prices.

Yeah, I’d burn that fuckin’ bridge too.

I just can't imagine paying for such a thing, especially on the internet.

Also, what do you do when like subs or things like that dry up? Just seems like it's a short-term quick fix.

Edited December 14, 2022 by TheVileOne

[Ryback Hates Bullies]

I didn't really see her last run as that great. This is probably win-win.

But obviously she has the opportunity to prove me wrong, and if she takes it good luck to her.

[Niners Fan in CT]

31 minutes ago, Elsalvajeloco said:

So why did they just hire Valerie Loureda whose calling appears to be posting racy content?

Supposedly they told her to tone that down

[Dog]

5 minutes ago, TheVileOne said:

I just can't imagine paying for such a thing, especially on the internet.

[Elsalvajeloco]

1 minute ago, Niners Fan in CT said:

Supposedly they told her to tone that down

They better hope she's the Latina Manami Toyota or else they're going to look stupid for signing her.

[Niners Fan in CT]

6 minutes ago, TheVileOne said:

Also, what do you do when like subs or things like that dry up? Just seems like it's a short-term quick fix.

not sure the well ever runs dry...    OF has made some people millions. 

[Casey]

7 minutes ago, TheVileOne said:

I just can't imagine paying for such a thing, especially on the internet.

Also, what do you do when like subs or things like that dry up? Just seems like it's a short-term quick fix.

A job where you work all year, are underpaid compared to other athletes, and are probably constantly injured or hurt in some way

vs

let me take this 30 second video where I show a little nipple, and charge over $100. Then I’m gonna go hang out in my hot tub in a live stream later where I’ll get something like $700 in tips.

Might be short term, but it’s a very lucrative short term. A lot more than pro wrestling.

[TheVileOne]

1 minute ago, Niners Fan in CT said:

not sure the well ever runs dry...    OF has made some people millions. 

I don't doubt it, but it's also like a hustle isn't it? You got to keep hustling to keep the money and train going. 

[Elsalvajeloco]

Just now, TheVileOne said:

I don't doubt it, but it's also like a hustle isn't it? 

Well, shit. Welcome to wrestling prior to guaranteed contracts.

[TheVileOne]

1 minute ago, Casey said:

A job where you work all year, are underpaid compared to other athletes, and are probably constantly injured or hurt in some way

vs

let me take this 30 second video where I show a little nipple, and charge over $100. Then I’m gonna go hang out in my hot tub in a live stream later where I’ll get something like $700 in tips.

Might be short term, but it’s a very lucrative short term. A lot more than pro wrestling.

Yeah but the reason Mandy Rose is able to do that is because she's an established WWE talent over the last several years. Like I think it's great she can finally cash in on all that, but it also seems like bad business and diplomatic relations.

[Niners Fan in CT]

Just now, TheVileOne said:

I don't doubt it, but it's also like a hustle isn't it? You got to keep hustling to keep the money and train going. 

Sure but by then u could retire.  if i could... it'd be tempting to cash out.  

[Villanova Grad]

22 minutes ago, Casey said:

I said it in the WWE TV thread, but it applies here too now especially: for one post, it was a $165 PPV message. If only like, 500 people bought that… that’s almost triple what I make in a year. And that’s for one picture/video. There are tons more for varying prices.

Lol, I did the math wrong in my head and was briefly impressed you were making $270,000 a year.  In case anyone is wondering, I graduated from business school.  Twice.  Maybe when I get my doctorate, I’ll be able to carry the ten.

Once this story makes the rounds, I feel like she’s still going to need to tone it down before AEW will sign her.  I’m also wondering why she’s using a little-known Onlyfans knockoff site.  I assume Onlyfans.com would get more clicks?  My first two thoughts are that you’re doing something that might violate onlyfans’ terms of service or you’re thinking onlyfans.com will be noticed by your employer whereas ownliefans or lonelyfams.com might not be.

Probably the prude in me talking, but I definitely don’t think hustling lonely guys on an obscure corner of the internet by showing some nipple or dry humping your bed is a step up from pro wrestling.  I don’t even have that high an opinion of pro wrestling….

Edited December 14, 2022 by Confused Villanova Grad

[Casey]

I’m pretty sure Onlyfans is explicitly banned by WWE, and BrandArmy doesn’t allow nudity (but is still lucrative in its own right - just ask the IIconics). Fantime was the next best option (Nikita Lyons has one too, FWIW).

Also yeah your prudish tendencies are definitely showing. Who cares if it’s a step up or down. If she’s happy, and making heaps of money, good for her.

[Elsalvajeloco]

38 minutes ago, TheVileOne said:

Yeah but the reason Mandy Rose is able to do that is because she's an established WWE talent over the last several years. Like I think it's great she can finally cash in on all that, but it also seems like bad business and diplomatic relations.

There is a give and take to that. They're not publicizing that content that she is posting. Moreover, there are plenty of women who went from video vixens and fitness models with zero cache to having a bunch of subs on OF. It's not like you have to get verified as celeb and then start an account. It certainly helps she is with WWE, but it's not the end all, be all. Being fairly attractive and having a great body makes up for that lack of Q rating. If Paige VanZant never fought for UFC, her subscriber count would still be fairly high. Now it helps that plenty of MMA websites are content mills, but she isn't getting all that focus based on being a former UFC fighter. Hell, Pearl Gonzalez ain't fought in the UFC in over 5 years. She is more famous now than when she fought in the UFC cause she's a smokeshow. Hell, Bec Rawlings basically survived off OnlyFans IIRC right after she got released from UFC and I think right before she went to do the Bareknuckle boxing stuff. These ain't exactly people who were made into stars and were able to profit off of being in a major combat sports organization. 

[Villanova Grad]

18 minutes ago, TheVileOne said:

Yeah but the reason Mandy Rose is able to do that is because she's an established WWE talent over the last several years. Like I think it's great she can finally cash in on all that, but it also seems like bad business and diplomatic relations.

It seems like Vince’s reasoning in trying to take at least some of talent’s income from sites like Twitch and Onlyfans was that talent was able to make that sort of income by trading on their popularity as WWE stars.  He’s not wrong in that regard.   Not an expert, but it seems likely your asking price is a lot lower If you are an unknown indie wrestler or a failed boat show model.

edit: The Mandy story is getting mainstream publicity.

Edited December 14, 2022 by Confused Villanova Grad

[SirSmUgly]

31 minutes ago, TheVileOne said:

Yeah but the reason Mandy Rose is able to do that is because she's an established WWE talent over the last several years. Like I think it's great she can finally cash in on all that, but it also seems like bad business and diplomatic relations.

Where is the issue? WWE has made money off this person's likeness, and in return, she's earned notoriety through her own work with the company. 

Now, she wants to take that notoriety and move in a different direction with it. WWE got what they wanted out of the relationship and so did she.

I don't understand why people argue that the performer owes anything to the company. She traded her labor for a check and a profile. That's fair. 

[Cobra Commander]

lemme check a different forum... and they were 30 pages into a discussion thread about Mandy Rose before she got released (more replies than Jenny Scordamaglia discussion, not as many as Sofia Gomez discussion). Who knew there was such a thriving wrestling message board among people that rely on the generosity of someone paying for a person's OF to leak everything they have.

Okay, the overlap between wrestling fans and internet porn aficionados shouldn't be that surprising.

[Goitre]

Mandy Rose is not a person. She's a registered trademark.