A_K Posted November 21, 2022 Posted November 21, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, (BP) said: I don’t think we should underestimate how much more nihilistic and amoral people are on average than in 2011, especially in my neck of the woods. Max was a hero last night, a slimy cheating hero. As Bob Dylan sang, “In Jersey everything's legal as long as you don’t get caught.” Mate - the Jersey Shore was at its absolute peak in 2011. This is not some new age of amorality: if anything it has heightened in the other direction (see: Caster's previous suspension). Edited November 21, 2022 by A_K
(BP) Posted November 21, 2022 Posted November 21, 2022 1 minute ago, A_K said: Mate - the Jersey Shore was at its absolute peak in 2011. This is not some new age of amorality: if anything it has heightened in the other direction (see: Caster's previous suspension). Yeah, there were overzealous gimmick posters on message boards then too, but that’s gotten worse. 5 1 2
JLowe Posted November 21, 2022 Posted November 21, 2022 2 hours ago, Andrew POE! said: This is the biggest reason / problem I have with MJF winning the title at Full Gear. The fans wanted to cheer MJF - so give them a reason to cheer him. Have him lose against Moxley and want a rematch on Dynamite. Regal tells him that Moxley is on vacation and will defend the title when he feels like it. Make Regal/Moxley the true heels everyone wants them to be - Moxley and Regal fought and it would be a similar relationship to Roman Reigns and Paul Heyman. Have MJF be a babyface with an edge and fight whatever obstacles Moxley/Regal throw at him to lead up to the rematch for the title (have him face former members of The Firm, have him face Claudio / Danielson / Yuta). Maybe Yuta, Claudio or Danielson get cold feet about fighting MJF and Moxley/Regal kick them out of the Combat Club. So MJF has a de facto partner in all of this while people wonder if he's really a 'good guy' despite getting screwed over. Instead, no we get MJF winning the World title because he had incredible promos against Jon Moxley and William Regal, not on the basis of his actual matches. TK books wrestling like he's in college with a final paper that he started on the night before. This is all good except I must have missed the incredible promos.
A_K Posted November 21, 2022 Posted November 21, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, (BP) said: Yeah, there were overzealous gimmick posters on message boards then too, but that’s gotten worse. Oh no, you're right. The Jersey Shore era of 2011 with Snooki and Pauly D was a bastion of social morality and good-taste compared to today. Whatever was I thinking?! Kids today just don't have manners. Edited November 21, 2022 by A_K
(BP) Posted November 21, 2022 Posted November 21, 2022 1 minute ago, A_K said: Oh no, you're right. The Jersey Shore era of 2011 with Snooki and Pauly D was a bastion of social morality and good-taste compared to today. Whatever was I thinking?! Kids today just don't have manners. My posts weren’t about the MTV Program The Jersey Shore, this is weird. 1
GuerrillaMonsoon Posted November 21, 2022 Posted November 21, 2022 How often did Pauly D readjust his gear per episode? 2
A_K Posted November 21, 2022 Posted November 21, 2022 1 minute ago, (BP) said: My posts weren’t about the MTV Program The Jersey Shore, this is weird. I'm sorry - shall I try and make this simple for you? 1 minute ago, (BP) said: I don’t think we should underestimate how much more nihilistic and amoral people are on average than in 2011, especially in my neck of the woods.
A_K Posted November 21, 2022 Posted November 21, 2022 Just now, GuerrillaMonsoon said: How often did Pauly D readjust his gear per episode? Far less than he would if his career was alive today in this cess pit of immoral nihilism we all live in.
(BP) Posted November 21, 2022 Posted November 21, 2022 1 minute ago, A_K said: I'm sorry - shall I try and make this simple for you? Do you think The Jersey Shore was real?
GuerrillaMonsoon Posted November 21, 2022 Posted November 21, 2022 Misawa dick togs discussion now pls 1 1
(BP) Posted November 21, 2022 Posted November 21, 2022 Just now, Craig H said: Well. This thread is fucking dead. You’re right, sorry, I shouldn’t have engaged.
Matt D Posted November 21, 2022 Posted November 21, 2022 I can save it by saying there’s crossover money in Zack Clayton using a ten step plan. 3 3
A_K Posted November 21, 2022 Posted November 21, 2022 (edited) Thread is perfectly alive. If somebody posits the idea that the crowd cheering MJF is down to 2022 being this remarkably "immoral and nihilistic" world we live in compared to a decade ago, which was demonstrably far sleazier in many ways than today, they should be able to deal with a riposte without becoming .. scratchy? I can see it is a sensitive subject though, clearly, so happy to let that pessimistic view be embraced. As for why MJF was actually cheered .. well, as other posters have already highlighted, its because he has the best character work in the company and has done a beast of a job at keeping things fresh even when dealt some very poor material / circumstances and most of the rest of the show has become terribly stale around him. Or .. it could be because they're all immoral nihilists. Who knows. Carry on. Edited November 21, 2022 by A_K
Octopus Posted November 21, 2022 Posted November 21, 2022 26 minutes ago, Craig H said: Well. This thread is fucking dead. The time for this forum to have intellectual discourse and meaningful/riveting discussions died when Fartsauce was banned. RIP to our flatulent brother. 2 4
just drew Posted November 21, 2022 Posted November 21, 2022 34 minutes ago, GuerrillaMonsoon said: How often did Pauly D readjust his gear per episode? Were his strikes believable? Did he sell appropriately to his size?
Matt D Posted November 21, 2022 Posted November 21, 2022 Carrying on. 4 way for the ROH title: Lots of individual spots, sequences, and character bits I really liked here. The big highlights were Danielson and Claudio colliding and Jericho and Sammy doing the same, of course, with the secondary stuff when Claudio and Danielson worked together or Sammy and Jericho worked together. I loved the BCC guys going at it with the reversals of the hammer and anvil elbows, because it felt like two guys using the same specific martial art able to counter the signature move back and forth as they knew it so well. Sammy is the guy on the roster that I really don't want to like, but you put him in there with more of a base and he does some really good stuff. Like, I don't want to like his leapfrog/backflip/standing Spanish Fly take on the Jimmy Snuka signature spot, but I do! I just can't help it. The bit where he leaped up, hit the top rope cutter on Claudio and then the top rope Spanish Fly on Danielson was pretty amazing. Claudio catching Sammy's shooting star press to the floor was just picture perfect basing and I loved the gorilla press spot too. Jericho's antics were good here and the finish of him just diving into the giant swing was nuts. Yes, guys were on the floor for too long at times (Claudio especially) in a way that isn't correct relative to how long they'd be down in another sort of match, but in general, I did like this a lot and I'm looking forward to go back through it so I can write it up for SC. Saraya vs Paige: I wouldn't call this good but it made me hopeful that Saraya has value and can figure it out. Again, Britt understanding the value of having Saraya's brother at ringside is the stuff she does so well. I liked that she targeted the neck throughout but some of the entry points were too cutesy and I wish Saraya's late match selling was as good as her fake selling at the start. There should have been some real sense of cumulative damage in this one given the focus. The bigger issue was that she was having trouble getting from spot A to B and they kind of ran out of stuff? Lots of air raid crashes and attempts. The running knees, that weirdly early Ram-Paige. That was combined with the fans not being familiar with Saraya's moves (though I like renaming the Paige Turner the Nightcap?). I always loved the Ram-Paige but the first one she barely had control on; the second and third were both hit differently but both looked good, but I did get the sense the fans just weren't familiar. Sometimes it just seemed like Paige was just kind of stumbling about, not even that she was moving into the next spot but that she was moving without purpose. She got there eventually, but... All that said, and like I started with, I think with some time in front of crowds and in matches, she can get back to where she was. The problem is that AEW isn't set up to give her those opportunities too easily. She really needs a bunch of singles and tag matches on Dark against Diamante and Emi Sakura and the Bunny and Kiera Hogan and Serena Deeb and whoever but she's not going to get that shot (and if she did, people would bellyache about it). 4
Octopus Posted November 21, 2022 Posted November 21, 2022 4 minutes ago, just drew said: Were his strikes believable? Did he sell appropriately to his size? NOT EVERYONE CAN BE RONNIE!!!!! 3
GuerrillaMonsoon Posted November 21, 2022 Posted November 21, 2022 7 minutes ago, just drew said: Were his strikes believable? Did he sell appropriately to his size? The answer to that is never yes. 1
GuerrillaMonsoon Posted November 21, 2022 Posted November 21, 2022 Anywaaaaayyyyy... I'm more interested to see what route they take to get to Britt vs Jaymie. I was kinda hoping that after that finish, Jaymie curbstomps Britt into next week, you get the Britt face turn hinted at last week and an all time justified heel turn given Britts actions at Forbidden Door. Now, I just expect Britt to continue unnecessarily interfering in her matches and helping her win against inferior opposition like Sky Blue, Rocking Robin, Leilani Kai Junior or whatever until Jaymie has enough of it. I think Hayter should to be the heel here, justifiably or otherwise in character motivations as its something different after two consecutive dominant babyface title runs. 2
w. josh Posted November 21, 2022 Posted November 21, 2022 The biggest question I have about the Elite's return: What are the chances Meltzer ever correctly identifies the Kansas song as "Carry On Wayward Son"? 4
GuerrillaMonsoon Posted November 21, 2022 Posted November 21, 2022 (edited) "...as performed by Kansas (the band which formed in 1973 and also performed the song Dust In The Wind, not to be confused with the Midwestern state of the same name which once hosted a Bobby Jaggers squash match, losing to Jim Neidhart at the Expocenter in October of 1989. Jim Neidhart was not in any incarnation of the band Kansas to be clear." Edited November 21, 2022 by GuerrillaMonsoon 1 5
Octopus Posted November 21, 2022 Posted November 21, 2022 “iS iT kAnSiS oR KaNSaSs?! WhAt’S tHe DeAl WiTh pRoNoUnCiNg WoRdS!? iT wAs AlL oVeR tHE pLaCe, DaVe!! I’m A dOuCe!!” - Bryan Alveraz 2
JLowe Posted November 21, 2022 Posted November 21, 2022 Why is one pronounced “can-ziss” and the other “r-Ken-saw”
Andrew POE! Posted November 21, 2022 Posted November 21, 2022 1 hour ago, JLowe said: This is all good except I must have missed the incredible promos. I'm being mostly sarcastic. His promo with Regal is top tier but it was all due to Regal. MJF by himself is a cover band of great wrestlers who give great promos: You hear the hits like CM Punk, Roddy Piper, Ric Flair, even Bret Hart, John Cena and The Miz. He's really not that good and he's largely annoying. His wrestling isn't much better and he tries to wrestle 'old school' but seems to forget psychology and basically is a grounded version of those indie wrestlers who do nothing but flips. His promo at the post-show scrum was insufferable and doesn't leave me a good feeling about what to expect from him going forward. I feel that if MJF has a long title reign, AEW will lose a significant portion of their audience. Sure, Jim Cornette will be happy but who gives a damn about Jim Cornette? 2
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