RonL21 Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 I seemed to have misremembered his run that season
Kuetsar Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 From the WYTS on the Cowboys. . . I mean GODDAMN. . . . This town got a good president killed and took a bad president in after he started two goddamn wars. The only good place to eat is at a gas station. There’s a megachurch on every corner and the head of every single one has been convicted of evading taxes. Dallas blows. I hope Jerryworld falls into a sinkhole. EDIT: And this is from the comment section, almost as bad: As a Houston resident, Dallas is a constant source of stress relief. It’s like having a brother you never really connected with as kids who later got convicted of selling child porn. We win by default. Our fly-ridden hell hole is modern, cultured and nuanced because, compared to Dallas, it is! 3
Kuetsar Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 Trent Richardson has got to be the biggest bust in NFL history right? At least Ryan Leaf, the Boz and Mandrich look good for at least five minutes each. . .
Death From Above Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 I still think it's Leaf because remember there was legit, serious discussion that he could have and maybe should have been the #1 pick, and before he was even out of his first training camp people inside the organization realized something wasn't right. He's also had time to build up a fairly sad post-football life. 2
elizium Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 Nobody beats Ryan Leaf. Nobody. But Trent is worse than the Boz and at Mandarich had that mid-90s comeback with the Colts, where he managed to become a serviceable pro for a couple years. Not worth his high pick for sure, but he worked and came back. Trent's gotta be done. Even if he lives in the gym for the next year and tries to come back, who would give him a chance? Running backs are a dime a dozen. 1
Kuetsar Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 You guys are probably right, I think I block out how bad Leaf became, and I forgot the off the field stuff. . . 1
elizium Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 You guys are probably right, I think I block out how bad Leaf became, and I forgot the off the field stuff. . . It's probably for the best if we all try and block out Ryan Leaf. 1
elizium Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 Trent is probably on the same level as someone like Curtis Enis (lolBears). One 900 yard year on barely over 3 yards per carry and quickly out of the league. Now this has me looking over the drafts since 1990 and holy fuck you should probably not draft running backs high. There's like a 33% success rate and some of those are questionable. Like, Garrison Hearst had a few good years after his legs stopped exploding, but there's no way he was worth the 3rd pick.
Kuetsar Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 CJ sure as hell wasn't worth the 9th pick. He had some fun highlights sure, but not when the Bills needed line help in the worst way. . . .
dogwelder Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 Speaking of drafts, has there been any recent drafts with a worse first 10 than 2012's now? Other than Luck and Kuechly, it's starting to look rather bad.
The Man Known as Dan Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 To be fair to Enis, we barely ever got to see him healthy, and when he was, it was on a fucking terrible Bears team. Richardson... I mean there's been health stuff there too, but not even close to the scale of Enis. Think of it this way. The Browns realized there was something off here and traded him the year after they drafted him 3rd overall, and got a 1st round pick out of him. In retrospect, that might be the best move the Browns have made in the last 5 years (Though them trading that pick to get Johnny is.... less good) Basically, I'd argue Richardson as the worst RB choice in NFL draft history, cause I can't say he was Leaf bad. And, if anything, that it hasn't been injuries but just complete and utter ineffectiveness that has made him look awful makes the pick even worse.
elizium Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 Speaking of drafts, has there been any recent drafts with a worse first 10 than 2012's now? Other than Luck and Kuechly, it's starting to look rather bad. 2013 is no great shakes either. Basically what we are learning is never draft anyone, ever.
The Man Known as Dan Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 (edited) Speaking of drafts, has there been any recent drafts with a worse first 10 than 2012's now? Other than Luck and Kuechly, it's starting to look rather bad. 2009 Stafford, Jason Smith, Tyson Jackson, Aaron Curry, Mark Sanchez, Andre Smith, Darrius Heyward-Bay, Eugene Monroe, B.J. Raji, Michael Crabtree. And if you want to go to 11 for shits and giggles, Aaron Maybin. Edited September 2, 2015 by El Dragon
Kuetsar Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 Speaking of drafts, has there been any recent drafts with a worse first 10 than 2012's now? Other than Luck and Kuechly, it's starting to look rather bad. 2010. Stafford, Jason Smith, Tyson Jackson, Aaron Curry, Mark Sanchez, Andre Smith, Darrius Heyward-Bay, Eugene Monroe, B.J. Raji, Michael Crabtree. And if you want to go to 11 for shits and giggles, Aaron Maybin. You HAD to remind me of him. . . . .FUCK
elizium Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 Speaking of drafts, has there been any recent drafts with a worse first 10 than 2012's now? Other than Luck and Kuechly, it's starting to look rather bad. 2010. Stafford, Jason Smith, Tyson Jackson, Aaron Curry, Mark Sanchez, Andre Smith, Darrius Heyward-Bay, Eugene Monroe, B.J. Raji, Michael Crabtree. And if you want to go to 11 for shits and giggles, Aaron Maybin. Even though he's injury prone. BJ Raji gets a lifetime pass. Great pick! 1
The Man Known as Dan Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 Raji's not bad, but he's the second best player in that top 10, maybe best depending on how you view Stafford, and I'd take Luck and Luke above him by a lot. 2 of the top 4 picks are already out of football, and the 5th pick is.... whatever the fuck you wanna call Mark Sanchez.
RIPPA Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 JaMarcus Russell was worse than Trent Richardson
muhammedboehm Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 Raji's not bad, but he's the second best player in that top 10, maybe best depending on how you view Stafford, and I'd take Luck and Luke above him by a lot. 2 of the top 4 picks are already out of football, and the 5th pick is.... whatever the fuck you wanna call Mark Sanchez. A wealthy son of a bitch?
Hail Sabin Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 JaMarcus Russell is the biggest bust by a large margin and you could see it coming but the Raiders still drafted him. Trent at least had 10 TDs in his rookie season. 1
glfpunk Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 JaMarcus Russell is the biggest bust by a large margin and you could see it coming but the Raiders still drafted him. Trent at least had 10 TDs in his rookie season. Eh, you say you could see it coming but so many people has such high praise of the guy I don't know that that's true. Positives: Has a well-built, strong and athletic frame with good overall muscle definition, long arms, large hands, high-cut with wide shoulders and thick thighs … Has outstanding arm strength and size for his position … Shows good overall foot quickness and agility to step out of the pocket and buy time for his receivers … Has the lower body power to break tackles … Demonstrates above average body control and balance driving back from center and shows good accuracy firing the ball up the seams … Has a fluid throwing motion, much like the Colts' Peyton Manning … Made good strides in recognizing protections and is capable of calling audibles … Not the type who needs the glory and attention most quarterbacks relish … Determined field leader with ice water running through his veins … Will play through pain and does a great job of standing tall in the pocket … Has good balance in his drop-back and generally moves in control, showing a nice rhythm while planting his feet through his delivery … When he sits back and scans the field, he can pick apart the zones … Makes right decisions on long throws, thanks to his raw power, but needs to vary the speed on his short throws, as his targets sometimes have a hard time fielding the ball cleanly (puts too much zip on the throws) … His arm strength and fluid mechanics let him get the ball out quickly, once he sets his feet … Shows no wasted motion and is consistently in good position to deliver the ball on time … Has the strongest arm in football, at any level … Can throw the ball the length of the field and put on an impressive show during Sugar Bowl practices, when he sat down on the ground and effortlessly flicked the ball out more than 40 yards … Generates great velocity and ball speed firing up the seams and is an excellent prospect for a vertical passing game. makes it easy for receivers to stay in stride when firing up the seam … Effective throwing on the move and has the ability to consistently place the ball on the receiver's outside shoulder … When working from a three-step technique, Russell shows very good timing and placement attacking the deep secondary, but must take some heat off his short throws … Steps into his throws well, but also has more than enough arm strength to throw off the wrong foot … Stands tall in the pocket and there is no panic in his game … Will take shots and throw under duress, but just needs to check off his primary target quicker rather than try to buy time with his feet moving around the pocket … Made great strides in maintaining his focus down field, even under heavy pressure … Has enough movement skills to buy time in the backfield … Earlier in his career, he would step back and fall away from his throws, but now is much more confident in his arm and ability to step up and find the throwing lanes … You don't see Russell scramble much, but when he tucks the ball and runs with it, he has the size, strength and bulk to consistently break tackles … Puts good velocity on his throws firing from the outside hashes and has a fluid release, whether throwing from the left or right side. Negatives: At maximum growth potential and any more weight will affect his quickness … His weight needs to be monitored, as he will lose some of his agility when he hits the 260-pound range … Lacks the change of direction agility to make the initial tackler miss … Has a good grasp of the passing game, but sometimes gets too confident in his arm strength and will try to force the ball into tight spots … Quiet sort who seems to shy away from the media attention … Shows good fluidity and quickness in his drive back from center, but is not a threat to run with the ball. ..Can buy time for his receivers when rolling out, but appears a little stiff in his hips when having to escape pocket pressure for too long … Tends to get a bit impatient in the pocket and showed too much confidence in his arm strength, firing the ball right into coverage … Will hold the ball too long waiting for his targets to get open, resulting in a sack or costly fumble … Can make all the throws, but needs to take a little of his zip off his shorter area tosses … Cool under pressure, but will get impatient at times and force the ball in tight areas … Not the type who can get into the second level with his feet, as he is a little stiff in his hips changing direction. Compares To: DAUNTE CULPEPPER, Miami Dolphins (UCF) … Russell has a defensive lineman's build with quick feet for a player his size. He has one of the strongest arms in the game and showed better patience waiting for his targets to get open. He did a better job with his reads to improve his overall accuracy as a junior. He is a perfect prospect for a vertical passing attack. Unlike most big quarterbacks, he doesn't have a windmill-type release and can throw the ball almost the length of the field. Three years from now you could certainly be looking at a guy who is certainly one of the elite top five quarterbacks in this league . . . Nobody has an arm like JaMarcus Russell. . . Obviously, he'll need a little time. But you're talking about a 2-3-year period. Once he's under center, look out, because the skill level he has is certainly John Elway-like
Cole Miner Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 I'm undecided on biggest bust at running back. Comes down to Lawrence Phillips and Richardson I think. Their rushing numbers are pretty similar. Richardson was a much better receiver. The thing that makes Phillips a really awful pick, besides the horrible production, is he already an assault on record when taken. Didn't play most of his final college season as a result. Another argument for Phillips is the Rams traded Jerome Bettis since they drafted Phillips. Strongest argument for Richardson is that he was taken 3rd overall when running backs have lost value as top draft picks. Only 1 first round pick was in the top 10 in rushing yards last season. Marshawn Lynch. Also Jamaal Charles has the highest yards per attempt for a running back in league history. He was a 3rd round pick. Plus because he was traded 2 teams have spent a first round pick on him. Browns also gave up picks to move up 1 slot to take him. Bo Jackson first overall by Tampa Bay is still the worst pick though of a running back. Since he made it clear he wouldn't sign with them under any circumstances before the draft. Since they lied and killed his college baseball eligibility.
Dolfan in NYC Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 Speaking of Lawrence Phillips, he's just been charged with the murder of his cellmate.
Death From Above Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 Raji will forever have the Raji Rumble, it's just a shame he seems to be hurt so often.
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