TheVileOne Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 You know what scene still weirds me out? The one in season 7 where Dany burns alive Sam's family. 1) Does Sam even know about this, or will he know about this? How would he feel? 2) That scene felt tonally uneven to me considering Sam's father was previously portrayed as an unrepentant and pretty vile asshole. Giving that scene to those characters came off as problematic. They made Sam's father and brother look downright heroic, noble and honorable for sacrificing themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 On 3/8/2019 at 12:48 AM, TheVileOne said: You know what scene still weirds me out? The one in season 7 where Dany burns alive Sam's family. 1) Does Sam even know about this, or will he know about this? How would he feel? 2) That scene felt tonally uneven to me considering Sam's father was previously portrayed as an unrepentant and pretty vile asshole. Giving that scene to those characters came off as problematic. They made Sam's father and brother look downright heroic, noble and honorable for sacrificing themselves. True.. but I do like the fact that there are so few people without blood on their hands. When you are in a position of power a lot of difficult decisions come with it and Dany has been far from perfect in all this, she's shown some signs of having a bit of her father in her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 9 minutes ago, Niners Fan in CT said: True.. but I do like the fact that there are so few people without blood on their hands. When you are in a position of power a lot of difficult decisions come with it and Dany has been far from perfect in all this, she's shown some signs of having a bit of her father in her. I know people complained about Dany in that scene. I don't take any issue with what Dany did. My issue is the depiction of Sam's father and brother as being given this noble and heroic moment. Even Dany showed respect for the honor and pride shown by Sam's father when there was really nothing at all right or honorable ever depicted about the man before. If the had at least seeded some of that in earlier, I could have a better time with swallowing that scene. It felt like a bad reversal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 He refuses to compromise ever, under any circumstances. Which can be both noble and ignoble, depending on circumstance. The real issue is how the penalty for deserting the Night's Watch is death, but Jon Snow decides his watch has ended and everyone is just OK with it. If it was public knowledge he died and was resurrected, that would be fair (if everyone believed it). But it's not, is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, AxB said: He refuses to compromise ever, under any circumstances. Which can be both noble and ignoble, depending on circumstance. The real issue is how the penalty for deserting the Night's Watch is death, but Jon Snow decides his watch has ended and everyone is just OK with it. If it was public knowledge he died and was resurrected, that would be fair (if everyone believed it). But it's not, is it? I think you can refuse to compromise and not treat your son like a disease. Once again, it was a moment of tonal imbalance. As for the Night's Watch business, I think a big point of the show is that a lot of those old rules and customs are backwards and mean certain annihilation for everyone. So in order to survive they basically have to collapse all the old rules and make new ones. Many of the taboos that are ingrained within the culture are wrong and basically have to be jettisoned. The way I see it, Jon Snow is basically saying, "Screw your Night Watch rules. They aren't going to save us anymore." As for everyone being OK with it, they basically saw a man get stabbed to death and come back to life. Then he hanged all the people responsible. That doesn't give them incentive to try again. Edited March 10, 2019 by TheVileOne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Yes, but then he went to Winterfell. And literally everyone in Winterfell has a moral and legal obligation to behead him for desertion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raziel Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, AxB said: Yes, but then he went to Winterfell. And literally everyone in Winterfell has a moral and legal obligation to behead him for desertion. Well, he liberated Winterfell, and the rest of The North, from Ramsey, so everyone left from that battle wasn't going to fuck with him. That and you know, he's the last (known) surviving Stark male (that's not a cripple) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 I don't want to compare it to today's politics but often times you'll find that norms are thrown way out of the window (Sorry, Bran I didn't mean to..) and sometimes that can be for good reason. Often times it's a power play, but in Jon Snow's case I think there are enough people that realize "hey, I understand the rules but fuck 'em we are all gonna die" and they've decided it's best to fall in line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 27 minutes ago, AxB said: Yes, but then he went to Winterfell. And literally everyone in Winterfell has a moral and legal obligation to behead him for desertion. It just goes to my previous point. The old sacrosanct rules are pretty much garbage at this point and if they want to survive they can no longer adhere to all of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Episode 1 Premiere: April 14 Runtime: 54 minutes Episode 2 Premiere: April 21 Runtime: 58 minutes Episode 3 Premiere: April 28 Runtime: 1 hour 22 minutes Episode 4 Premiere: May 5 Runtime: 1 hour 18 minutes Episode 5 Premiere: May 12 Runtime: 1 hour 20 minutes Episode 6 Premiere: May 19 Runtime: 1 hour 20 minutes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 This isn't really a spoiler but I'll put it in tags anyway. It's related to who is directing each episode and what that could mean. Sapochnik is doing episodes 3 & 5. I think we're getting some big battle scenes in those. Benioff & Weiss are doing the finale. Makes sense that they would wrap it up, they've said they know how it ends for a LONG time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 They have said that the big final battle is longer than Helm's Deep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 I look forward to the remake series in 10 years that's more faithful to the books as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 8 minutes ago, TheVileOne said: I look forward to the remake series in 10 years that's more faithful to the books as well. Oh like the books will be finished by then 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 After the spin-off series, there will be a second spin off series. The remake won't be in 10 years because there'll still be an ASOIAF tv show running at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raziel Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 7 hours ago, Brian Fowler said: Oh like the books will be finished. FTFY 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niners Fan in CT Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Didn't they say that Martin told them how it ends and all the reveals etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 He told Benioff & Weiss what his ending was. They didn't say whether that was going to be the ending they were doing or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Cincinnati Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 And of course, they'd only be following the larger strokes of his vision. They've deviated on a lot of minor characters and plots and will continue to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 3 hours ago, AxB said: He told Benioff & Weiss what his ending was. They didn't say whether that was going to be the ending they were doing or not. Years ago, Martin said something to the effect of he never has the end planned out for his books, and that he loses interest in a story whenever he knows the end before he gets there. Fast forward to him telling them how this ends, and he's suddenly went from "slow" to "nothing" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Lots of new mini trailer dropped today. Presumably TV spots, because they seem to big clips of the big trailer different orders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxB Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 So, anyone up for a predictions contest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
driver Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 Sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 Cant wait to see Cercei's boo boo face when she jobs to Dany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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