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NFL 2023 - WEEK FOUR


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42 minutes ago, SirFozzie said:

According to this story, the sportsbooks were facing a huge bath, as 91% of the bets, and 84% of the money on the point spread was on the Jets. That slide gave them 34% profit (as well as the usual vig)

Make calls early to keep it close to the spread and make calls late to make people think that you favored the team that won when you made calls to prevent a blowout.

Allegedly.

(Gambling degenerates will note how many flags thrown by the ref whose crew worked Chiefs/Jets)

So.. In other words.. the NWA champion showed up in the territory, the local hero took them 60 minutes, and if not for that ref, Rufus R. Jones woulda won the title.

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BTW - because the Bears always have to have 9582 layers of shit show

Chase Claypool was a healthy inactive (since he and the Bears are not getting along) and wasn't at the game

So Matt Eberflus after the game "We gave him the choice to say home and he stayed home. All on him!"

Yeah... the Bears then had to put out a statement via a spokesperson that the club told Claypool to stay home - it wasn't him choosing to do so

Anyway.... Chase Claypool is so getting traded

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15 hours ago, BloodyChamp said:

Mac Jones benched! I was a fan of his and still am I guess. I don’t just not like people because they suck. We all suck at something, and it’s often job related lol! 

I really want to write a long form article about quarterbacks that are clearly terrible but somehow people talk themselves into believing they're good. Mack Jones at his very best is a, "well,  he didn't fuck anything up," quarterback. You can't expect him to be good,  but you can hope he's not bad. That's no way to go through life.  The league is full of dudes who have never shown themselves to be better than OK, and fans who will call you racial slurs if you point out that their quarterback is not very good. The worst part is it isn't even the guys who aren't good but kind of exciting,  it's always Mac Jones or Daniel Jones. Guys who might be able to do enough with the pieces around them to not ruin your life,  but under no circumstances should be asked to do anything to win you a game. Derek Carr the the back to the running back 13 times for 33 yards,  that will win exactly 0 games. Jameis is like playing Russian roulette with your offense,  but at least you're going to score some points. Justin Fields has been awful,  but if you can build an offense around what he did in the first half yesterday,  you might have something. With Mac Jones,  you just have to hope everyone else is good enough that the quarterback doesn't fuck everything up. I'd rather have a boom or bust quarterback than a, "God,  please don't let Lucy pull the football away," quarterback. We all know these guys aren't good enough,  Lucy pulls the football every time,  let's stop pretending. 

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21 hours ago, Contentious C said:

Looked correctly called to me. Could have put the ball down anywhere else but had to be a classless shithead.

Yep, 100% correct call.  All you have to do is ask yourself why he put the ball where he did. 

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20 hours ago, RIPPA said:

And Jerry Tillery gets ejected for the world's latest hit on Justin Herbert

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I don't see that as being ejection-worthy.  Herbert was barely a foot out of bounds when he got hit.  Your average facemask penalty (see the one KC committed for a safety against the Jets) is 10x as bad as that.

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The Jets got hosed by the refs.  I'm not going to argue the holding call that Sauce got - it wasn't egregious but it's getting called 98% of the time - but the no-call on Mahomes's long run was ridiculous.  Jets defender gets held, gets held some more, swats at the KC player's arm, Jets guy yells at the ref, gets held some more, and then gets held some more - all in the full sight of the refs.  There's no way it was not seen so you just gotta wonder why it was not called.

On another note, I thought it was funny that the broadcast showed a graphic saying that Jawaan Taylor is leading the NFL in penalties since him not getting called for penalties in week 1 was one of the big stories.

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I agree supreme and this is coming from somebody who doesn’t just blame the quarterback, or give the quarterback all the credit. I think Mac Jones is a rare case of being the biggest problem on the team though.

I forgot about the calls the Jets got in the first half but I still think they ultimately got robbed. As for the face mask I actually think it started in the endzone. Illegal hands to the face started before the endzone. He never grabbed the face mask until they were in the endzone. 

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7 hours ago, RIPPA said:

Bills believe Tre'Davious White tore his right ACL

(He had torn his left ACL previously)

It's his Achilles actually.    McDermott said it was confirmed by an MRI today. 

So he's obviously done for the year. 

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1 hour ago, BloodyChamp said:

I agree supreme and this is coming from somebody who doesn’t just blame the quarterback, or give the quarterback all the credit. I think Mac Jones is a rare case of being the biggest problem on the team though.

I forgot about the calls the Jets got in the first half but I still think they ultimately got robbed. As for the face mask I actually think it started in the endzone. Illegal hands to the face started before the endzone. He never grabbed the face mask until they were in the endzone. 

The biggest issue is that teams think that the quarterback is going to be the savior of their franchise, but there are only 5 of those guys tops. If you have Mahomes Jackson, or Allen you have guys who can fuck around and win even when they aren't particularly good. Literally everyone else needs a team smartly built around them and a coach who understands what that quarterback is good at and maximizes those skills. Not only that,  the coach can't be too in love with his own shit to adapt to the talent on the field. The Shanahans have made damn near every running back look like a million bucks, but you put Terrell Davis,  Clinton Portis, or Christian McCaffrey in their system you can tell the difference. Another thing,  you can't win if you can't trust your quarterback to make a play. I make fun of Kirk Cousins a lot,  but he's an average to above average starting quarterback. He makes a lot of mistakes,  especially when plays break down,  but he's never scared to make a play. Let year they won 13 games,  because he knows Justin Jefferson is better than whoever is covering him and he gives him a chance to make a play. The Saints have great skill position talent,  and Derek Carr checks down instead of letting his guys make a play. Josh McDaniels even knows you can't do that,  that's why he's no longer in Vegas. Seriously,  look at someone like Jalen Hurts. Hurts has been criticized for his lack of arm talent since his freshman year at Alabama. So,  they built a team around the run,  gave him two stud wide receivers and put him in a position to make 3 or 4 throws a game and let his guys beat their guys and it works. You can't put Mac Jones on the field with a bunch of receivers who couldn't get separation from me and expect him to succeed. He succeeded in college because literally every player he threw the ball to was better than everyone they played against. He's not going to make a play by himself,  but if you put him in New Orleans or Atlanta he might be serviceable because of their skill position talent. 

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Assuming Dov Kleiman is a real person... they're apparently a Jets fan:

Meanwhile, Dov probably cost Sauce some money, because he used his retweet as a way to criticize the reffing in the game. 

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2 hours ago, supremebve said:

Another thing,  you can't win if you can't trust your quarterback to make a play. 

I think back to Russ's first game with Denver last year. Late in the game, it's 4th and 5, Denver trailing, and Hackett takes the ball away from Wilson. You can't have a stronger indictment of your quarterback than that. 

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