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1 hour ago, Sex Machine Gun said:

I'm scared to see a Spin the Wheel, Make the Deal callback segment because this promotion would actually do that. At the very least they'll have Jake wearing a COAL MINER'S GLOVE~ and be all "REMEMBER THIS, STING?" Then Darby Allin sets it on fire before eating it or something.

You say that as if it would be a bad thing.

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3 hours ago, Curt McGirt said:

That's one more thing I liked. The last comment hit and shit was on. Everybody running out immediately made it feel like they were all in the back listening, murmuring to each other that they're probably gonna have to go stop them.

Also have to admire the movement of the chess pieces. No more Eddie faction so B&B go with Matt, Penta gets at Cody, Fenix and Pac stay together. New faction from MJF etc. No Taz faction on the show either to clutter things.

Exactly.  

1 hour ago, just drew said:

I think what bothers me so much about him is that so many people just seem to accept that "great doer of moves" now somehow equals "great wrestler." Omega is a great "doer of moves." But it's impossible to me to invest emotionally in his matches when he goes out of his way not to sell or pace himself. And the promos, holy shit. Ugh.

I don't think anybody thinks Kenny is a "great wrestler" because he is a "great doer of moves".  The stories, the selling - it makes sense to many of us, and we enjoy the sweat and work he puts into it.  His promos are often excellent and rarely less than good.  And often, especially as a heel, laced with hilarity.  I get just not liking a wrestler.  I wasn't a fan of Shawn Michaels, but even as an uncouth kid I could at the very least open my eyes and see his talent.  I wouldn't suggest everybody that believed he was great was because he was a "great doer of moves".  Again, you put some thought into your posts and I like reading them, but move passed this generic weekly hate and condescention towards everyone that enjoys his work. 

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4 hours ago, EVA said:

Well, we now have someone who shows up every week to air his grievances about HOOK, of all people, so that has probably skewed our perception of what constitutes a weird AEW beef these days.  I mean, at least Kenny is actually a big part of the show.

You are amusingly passive aggressive. Very 'beta' personality, I think.

 

Anyway, the show!

- Kingston/Moxley was good, and best-case-scenario for explaining away Sunday's fiasco. I really do like the 90s DDP vibe to Kingston. Would be nice to see these two simmer for awhile now sans the gimmicky stuff. Hopefully this also ends Kingston's association with Butcher & Blade in those bizarre meth-head-cosplay outfits they've garbed them in of late.

- Thank god they avoided Scorpio taking the title; that would have been an abhorrent decision. Scorpio is a dud so he's really not worth program time with Darby, but at least Darby may get a defined singles feud now. I believe we went 8 weeks between Darby winning the title & his first defence which was ridiculous - I'm not even sure he has had another title defence since then until now, if someone can correct me? He was submerged in a completely unnecessary 3-man, then more & more tediously 7-man program with all manner of others interjected in between, so it will be good to see him breathe as a singles star again.

- Inner Circle / MJF great. I do think the titles being on Jericho/MJF could have been an even more interesting lead into this & champions more befitting of a national TV show for a short time, but c'est la vie. There was a lot of unnecessary fluff to get here, but we're here now. They very much dropped the ball after the Dark Order/ Nightmare Family beatdown, so hopefully this time they maintain the intensity. It would be good to see the show steering away from a slapstick nature. Embrace the slapstick and you quickly find Sunday-like shenanigans the norm.

- Rey & Pentagon clearly huge assets for the show, but we knew that. The bad cosplay Bucks .. less so.

- Why SCU are on primetime American national television in 2021 .. I've got nothing for you.

- Wardlow stud. Rey stud. Darby stud. Ricky Starks stud. It really should not be hard to narrow focus, elevate what they've got that's worth having, and clear decks of the sycophants, nepotists & washed up talent that still lurk at the fringes.

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I saw ‘Winner Circle’ suggested for MJF’s new faction, but I much prefer @Wyld Samurai’s ‘Burberry Street Posse’. That’s fantastic.

As for Spears, he has the ‘good (for 2010 WWE)’ stench all over him. He was knocking about since the OVW days, you would hear all the how good and polished he was back then. And in the doldrums of WWE at that time you would have these ‘good (for 2010 WWE)’ types that you would have to try and get excited for because they were the best you were going to get, like the Dolph Ziggler and Zack Ryders (and speaking of Ryder, there was a bit of the being-held-back-by-The-Man narrative for Dillinger, his mediocrity obscured in the general greatness of NXT at that time).

But then, divorced from that place and time, and held up in true comparison to world-class talent he just doesn’t cut it. And with ALL the wealth of established and growing talent (some of whom we’ve seen grow in front of our eyes even in the space of 18 months) why would you waste your precious resources on Spears?

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Constructively, who could have been a nice replacement for Spears in that team, presuming they are Sammy's counterpoint? Miro & Hobbs could both do with a quality program but probably too 'big' given Wardlow's presence .. probably Starks, maybe Caster? The others who would stylistically make a nice feud for Sammy (Perry, for example) wouldn't aesthetically suit the rest of the team.

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2 hours ago, Dog said:

You say that as if it would be a bad thing.

I mean, I'd love every bit of bullshit callbacks to early 90s WCW but I'd love it in the same way I love watching a Neil Breen film.

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My first thought was Starks, but I honestly think Starks needs to set out on his own because he's too fucking good to play second fiddle to others in a group.

That's what bugs me a bit about the Ethan Page signing. That could have been Starks in that ring beating Lee Johnson last night.

Hmm...Maybe Ethan Page should have been in Spears' place. 

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I wouldn’t stick someone in for the sake of neat symmetry. MJF as featured guy, FTR as featured tag team, Wardlow as muscle, Tully as coach/very rarely player works for me. 
 

Edit: fair call by Craig on Ethan Page as alternative.

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Re: Shawn Spears - I think there was a lot of disappointment with his grudge match against Cody. I'm not planning on rewatching it, but I think that disappointment was largely based on comparisons with the Cody/Dusty match. At that point he was doing a kind of psycho gimmick that wasn't really him, but regardless he didn't get the push to go with it. Once he went back to being goofy, I thought he had been doing a lot better and the crowd was reasonably into his matches - but the loss of the crowds messed that up, along with #ASearchForSpears. And then the thing with Dustin at DoN happened.

My point being, I don't think he's had a fair crack at the whip. He's now got something to do, good chance he can do it in front of bigger crowds at some point soon, and the real test begins here.

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You have one few for the feud then though, and it isn't believable opposition, so it has to be symmetrical to work.

Could probably do without Ethan Page's laughably dramatic facial expressions. Wouldn't want to see him in this one. Starks out-MJFing-MJF on a long-burn program could have been interesting. Starks & Cage are both quite tricky ones to place at the moment. I really don't think Starks needs to be attached to any-more than Cage; with Cage, he could probably pull off the MJF/Wardlow relationship well, which has worked for those two. They've got a few great talents who are in limbo at the moment (Perry, Starks & Miro come especially to mind but there are others); finding something quite individualistic for those guys would be good.

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Okay maybe I was overly harsh in writing him off in that sweeping statement. But at least for the moment he’s sat firmly in that camp with Kip Sabian and Jimmy Havoc in the pre-Moxley ‘beggars can’t be choosers’ AEW of guys you could round out a promotion with, if you had to, but were quickly eclipsed as the promotion got rolling.

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AEW improved in the demo though. It's so weird that they'll hit a high viewership number and land outside of the top 5 demo. Then when they go back to their 700k to 800k average, they're right back in the top 5 for the demo.

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1 hour ago, Custos said:

I saw ‘Winner Circle’ suggested for MJF’s new faction, but I much prefer @Wyld Samurai’s ‘Burberry Street Posse’. That’s fantastic.

As for Spears, he has the ‘good (for 2010 WWE)’ stench all over him. He was knocking about since the OVW days, you would hear all the how good and polished he was back then. And in the doldrums of WWE at that time you would have these ‘good (for 2010 WWE)’ types that you would have to try and get excited for because they were the best you were going to get, like the Dolph Ziggler and Zack Ryders (and speaking of Ryder, there was a bit of the being-held-back-by-The-Man narrative for Dillinger, his mediocrity obscured in the general greatness of NXT at that time).

But then, divorced from that place and time, and held up in true comparison to world-class talent he just doesn’t cut it. And with ALL the wealth of established and growing talent (some of whom we’ve seen grow in front of our eyes even in the space of 18 months) why would you waste your precious resources on Spears?

As was mentioned, you need a guy to take a fall/beating and Spears can fit that nicely.  'Good for 2010 WWE' seems spot on and is very funny.  

54 minutes ago, RunningFromAmerica said:

Re: Shawn Spears - I think there was a lot of disappointment with his grudge match against Cody. I'm not planning on rewatching it, but I think that disappointment was largely based on comparisons with the Cody/Dusty match. At that point he was doing a kind of psycho gimmick that wasn't really him, but regardless he didn't get the push to go with it. Once he went back to being goofy, I thought he had been doing a lot better and the crowd was reasonably into his matches - but the loss of the crowds messed that up, along with #ASearchForSpears. And then the thing with Dustin at DoN happened.

My point being, I don't think he's had a fair crack at the whip. He's now got something to do, good chance he can do it in front of bigger crowds at some point soon, and the real test begins here.

Spears for all his follies had a really well received debut.  The place went bananas when he came into that Casino Royale.  They really should have let him work babyface for awhile.  When he went heel, nearly everybody here was shitting on him even getting an opportunity.  Let alone a PPV 'showcase' bout with Cody.  Having seen him earlier in his career working Ontario Indy shows, and getting the impression that he was a really nice guy, I was pulling for him.  I also like seeing guys redeem themselves after being fed awful or no creative from WWE.  The Cody match turned out fine, but Spears clearly fell short of either making a strong impression or silencing his critics.  I'd never actually seen him work in WWE so his AEW run was seen with fresh eyes.  From my vantage point, he's suffered badly from far too many gimmicks as has been said here many times over.  He also seems to lack any sort of interesting or visually effective move set.  But I do think he's a competent or 'good hand' like he was labelled by the Codemeister General since nearly the start of AEW.  A good hand with a stable of top card talent, and one guy, Wardlow, who may turn out to be bigger than all them, isn't the worst idea for a stable.    

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14 minutes ago, Craig H said:

AEW improved in the demo though. It's so weird that they'll hit a high viewership number and land outside of the top 5 demo. Then when they go back to their 700k to 800k average, they're right back in the top 5 for the demo.

it dropped slightly from 0.33 to 0.32 

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1 minute ago, ChesterCopperpot said:

it dropped slightly from 0.33 to 0.32 

They were 4th in the demo. 6th last week.

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17 hours ago, just drew said:

I don’t get the Spears hate. He’s fine. A solid worker with good offense. He’s the least over member of that group but that’s no big deal.

Spears is a solid worker, but he has a ring personality that is dryer than toast.  I think it's cool that the book has really protected him up until the point where he's finally got something to do, rather than sit him on the sidelines because "creative" has nothing for him.

I just think that he's had ample time to get over since then and has failed to connect despite being given a manager, a glove gimmick, a fucking logo, and a new dye job.  How much repackaging does he need?

I also think that it is amusing that AEW has managed to face turn the entire Inner Circle by having them feud with a stable that includes X-Pac heat machines like Spears and MJF.

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12 minutes ago, Craig H said:

I'd just release Brian Cage, but that's just me.

He opens the really tough pickle jars.  How can Taz open those big jars with his lil’ baby hands?  

I have watched a lot of rudderless Spears matches on Dark.  I am honestly surprised that they didn’t go “all out” with aimless Spears and give him the electrifying Heart Punch as his big finish.  They get awfully close to HP-level when he was doing those anti-climactic black glove shots after the match had ended.  There was never any spark to his attempted beat downs.  A toolsy cypher like Shawn Spears can be easily repackaged after being quite below the radar for fans and/or haters.  

Why is the guy so married to his awful haircut?  He has sorta changed looks over the years but that damn eyesore of natural headwear remains to his present day form.  I missed a chunk of AEW after the first month.  Has he been given anything to do in between the Cody feud and his association with Tully?  The Scorpio Sky feud.could have been fine for him.  That just sputtered out.  Then he “quit”.  Between aligning with Tully and his Scorpio Sky spat all he had was the angle looking for a partner on Dark.

Heck, he could have joined the Dark Order before the Beaver Boys - Silver and Reynolds name dating back man y years.  H could have shown...something.  

Then Brodie Lee can show up, destroy him and assume proper leadership.  Reboot Spears into a tag team and go from there. Apologies for unleashing the booker inside.  Tony K has shown us that freakin’ anyone can make theswitch from posting here to winning accolades for fantasy booking.  His hundreds of millions of dollars buy a lot of credibility and/or goodwill.

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