username Posted September 3 Posted September 3 5 hours ago, SovietShooter said: Like, let's say that TK was thinking of putting Ricky over MJF or Samoa Joe for the strap... If he thinks about the response that might get, and the first thing that pops in his head is THIS, would you put your top championship on that guy? Cody was the main guy looking out for Starks when he had his broken neck, if someone in AEW is salty that he has loyalty for his friends then to be blunt that's shitty of them. 1
Go2Sleep Posted September 3 Posted September 3 11 hours ago, Craig H said: I was done with Ricky Starks when he got Billy Gunn'd by Adam Copeland and his comeback was basically Shooter McGavin saying "...NO..." when asked if he eats pieces of shit for breakfast. The sad thing is that I don't even think Edge was out to bury Ricky. Ricky seems like the type of guy that Edge would like and then Ricky just had no good comeback. At that moment I thought, yeah, he probably belongs in NXT or WWE where someone can script his segments. This segment and that worst promo of the decade candidate with Bill/Jericho/Kenny (aka the segment so bad it gave Kenny diverticulitis) was a real 1-2 knockout of his "good live promo" reputation. Copeland is one of the all-time "stiff promo" guys, though. 2
username Posted September 3 Posted September 3 2 hours ago, username said: 8 hours ago, SovietShooter said: Like, let's say that TK was thinking of putting Ricky over MJF or Samoa Joe for the strap... If he thinks about the response that might get, and the first thing that pops in his head is THIS, would you put your top championship on that guy? Cody was the main guy looking out for Starks when he had his broken neck, if someone in AEW is salty that he has loyalty for his friends then to be blunt that's shitty of them. You know sometimes I end up talking at cross purpose with folks and it struck me this has been one of those times, so my bad on that to everyone. In this specific case Soviet was talking about a theoretical decision to not put the top belt on him while linking that moment, which fair enough. The thing is that moment happened after he was already seemingly sent home so that wouldn't be an example why they'd go "hmm, not top guy material" but why they'd go "we should suspend him with pay for a half year or so" and if that is in fact why that happened (TBF I don't think it is) then yeah that'd be shitty of them. Someone earlier said he's more of a Dolph Ziggler and I just want to clarify that I'm cool with that, I don't view him as a top guy or bust scenario. The thing is that for those who've been watching AEW for years there was like a year plus of Team Taz of Hobbs and Starks starting a feud/program only for it to peter out with no real end, them to fall off tv for months, something else eventually starting and the pattern repeating. I'm a big fan of both men and all I've ever wanted for either of them was to just get consistent time, keep them involved and I think they would both do great things. Maybe I'd be wrong, but I was going "they should probably jump to WWE" back during the dreaded Vince days years ago just cause solid odds they'd end up on Raw and even if their booking was shitty with three hours a week they'd probably at least get that consistent time and we'd see what they could do. Instead it's been a bit better but still very stop and start with many poisoned chalice moments for both of them (if I start talking about Hobbs being given the TNT title just to heat up QT Marshall I may never stop yelling), here we are now with one long term injured and the other again currently at a five months and counting seemingly paid suspension for reasons that don't seem worthy of such a penalty (most seem to think it is because he is likely not re-signing or because he didn't want to break up his team with Bill, neither of which IMO seems worthy of said reaction) and it seems likely that neither will ever get that chance here and it sucks and I'm a bit salty about it. Sorry for accidentally half hijacking this thread because of it, at the very least I learned that many of you are so not a fan of his that you're just glad for him to be gone regardless of reasons so there is some worth in learning when one's personal feelings run that contrary to popular sentiment, I will let it lie now. My bad again. 2
HarryArchieGus Posted September 3 Posted September 3 8 hours ago, username said: Cody was the main guy looking out for Starks when he had his broken neck, if someone in AEW is salty that he has loyalty for his friends then to be blunt that's shitty of them. It would be a overt simplification and a flat out fallacy to assume Starks' issues were because Cody departed. He's had more opportunities since Rhodes' jump then before (eg. tag title run, mini-title program with MJF, Punk to Danielson feud). Ricky's shortcomings are a combination of results on and off camera. 7 hours ago, Go2Sleep said: This segment and that worst promo of the decade candidate with Bill/Jericho/Kenny (aka the segment so bad it gave Kenny diverticulitis) was a real 1-2 knockout of his "good live promo" reputation. Copeland is one of the all-time "stiff promo" guys, though. I don't remember that Cope/Starks confrontation being 'worst' notable. I didn't see much of Copeland post 2003 to the end of his last WWE run. What did he do to garner a nomination for 'all-time stiff Promo'? I saw or heard enough of his WWE return talk segments/monologues to know he was an all-time drip on the mic. Is that what you meant? It's amazing to me how good he's been since getting away from WWE Scripts in AEW. Like many here, I've loved this late career Elite run. 1
Stefanie Sparkleface Posted September 3 Posted September 3 I don't care what people do in their off time. Heck, start a parade for your friends if you want, as long as you're not crashing cars into buildings or ODing in hotels, that doesn't bother me. There's no expectations of "professionalism" when someone's in their off-time if they're not hurting anyone else. Someone going to my competitor's show and celebrating his friend getting a big push that we literally would have never known about if some creep hadn't lasered their phone in on him instead of watching the WrestleMania main event? Yeah, I'm okay with letting that slide. Show up to work and do a good job while you're on the clock, don't hurt anyone or yourself while you're off the clock, and that's all I care about.
Technico Support Posted September 3 Posted September 3 Completely off topic, but former graphic designer Excalibur on commentary both pronouncing “gif” correctly and explaining what the acronym stands for was awesome. I still remember his story from Colt’s pod where he talked about his first job after moving to LA: designing covers for porn DVDs. 1
AxB Posted September 3 Posted September 3 For tomorrow's Dynamite: Mariah May (c) vs Nyla Rose for the AEW Women's title, because Nyla is always in the Kane spot. And also Kazuchika Okada (c) vs Kyle Fletcher, for the Being Eddie Kingston championship. 1
SovietShooter Posted September 3 Posted September 3 5 hours ago, Stefanie Sparkleface said: There's no expectations of "professionalism" when someone's in their off-time if they're not hurting anyone else. Someone going to my competitor's show and celebrating his friend getting a big push that we literally would have never known about if some creep hadn't lasered their phone in on him instead of watching the WrestleMania main event? Yeah, I'm okay with letting that slide. I both understand this sentiment, and disagree with it to an extent. No matter what profession you are in, and particularly high profile public professions, there is a certain expectation of professionalism and not embarrassing or causing controversy for your employer. That's why folks that do dumb/racist/crimminal things and end up viral on tiktok get fired quite often, like Hock-Tuah girl. But when you go viral hanging out with a direct competitor... Look at it this way... let's say I'm dating someone who works for a competitor to my employer, and I go with her to their Christmas Party, company picnic, or some other company function. But then I do something silly on the dancefloor, or sit down in a chair that breaks, whatever - and someone records it on their phone and posts it to LinkedIn or something, where my boss and his boss see it. Do you not think any of those people aren't going to ask themselves or each other why I was at the competition's party? Do you not think they might ha e that in the back of their head come review time? 1
odessasteps Posted September 3 Posted September 3 Hanging out at someone’s house who works for a competitor is one thing. going to hang out at the competitor’s place of work is definitely unprofessional and you deserve punishment, especially if it gets made public. 1 1
AxB Posted September 3 Posted September 3 Adam Cole, when he was a top guy in NXT, not only attended AEW's Christmas party, but was also filmed there, losing an impromptu match to a ten year old boy. Now admittedly it was Brodie Lee jr, but still...
Stefanie Sparkleface Posted September 3 Posted September 3 16 minutes ago, SovietShooter said: I both understand this sentiment, and disagree with it to an extent. No matter what profession you are in, and particularly high profile public professions, there is a certain expectation of professionalism and not embarrassing or causing controversy for your employer. That's why folks that do dumb/racist/crimminal things and end up viral on tiktok get fired quite often, like Hock-Tuah girl. But when you go viral hanging out with a direct competitor... Look at it this way... let's say I'm dating someone who works for a competitor to my employer, and I go with her to their Christmas Party, company picnic, or some other company function. But then I do something silly on the dancefloor, or sit down in a chair that breaks, whatever - and someone records it on their phone and posts it to LinkedIn or something, where my boss and his boss see it. Do you not think any of those people aren't going to ask themselves or each other why I was at the competition's party? Do you not think they might ha e that in the back of their head come review time? How interesting that you make that comparison. The end of eval year period just started at my job and I just created 36 eval forms for my team. I'm sure there are people who do keep that in the back of their mind. I can personally attest that, for the sake of the morale of the rest of the team, if that specific person is meeting all their deliverables AND they didn't do anything illegal AND they didn't hurt anyone or themselves, I let it go. I hire adults and I expect them to act like adults while they're in the office or working remotely. What they do outside of the 40 hours a week my office pays them for is none of my business, until they make it become my business by getting in the way of work. It's not like the guy was on their TV and doing a planned spot. He went there to support his friend - and as a worker you can appreciate how many times other workers do that when they aren't booked - and some random person put a phone camera on him for pumping his fist and being happy. He should be fired for that? That's a great way to make other people who work for you start looking for other options, because they know they can't support their friends or go anywhere, because if they get a camera pointed at them in a way you don't approve of, you're going to fire them. Want a locker room walking on eggshells and cutting each other's throats? That's a great way to do it. 1
odessasteps Posted September 3 Posted September 3 5 minutes ago, AxB said: Adam Cole, when he was a top guy in NXT, not only attended AEW's Christmas party, but was also filmed there, losing an impromptu match to a ten year old boy. Now admittedly it was Brodie Lee jr, but still... It seems like most everything involving that family gets dispensation, especially with the kid. Also, 10 year old Brodie may have been bigger than Cole, so it's not as shocking as it is on paper. 4
DreamBroken Posted September 4 Posted September 4 This reminds me of when Britt Baker got shown in the crowd at NXT when Cole was there in 2019, and then they redid the spot with Britt being shown in the crowd the same way on Dynamite shortly after. 1
SovietShooter Posted September 4 Posted September 4 1 hour ago, Stefanie Sparkleface said: He should be fired for that? Just want to point out, Starks has not been fired. I agree with a lot of what you're saying. But in wrestling and in the real world, it doesn't always work that way. I just look at it this way - Do you think you would you ever see Cody at an AEW show, in a suite, cheering on Ricky Starks?
Stefanie Sparkleface Posted September 4 Posted September 4 5 minutes ago, SovietShooter said: Just want to point out, Starks has not been fired. I agree with a lot of what you're saying. But in wrestling and in the real world, it doesn't always work that way. I just look at it this way - Do you think you would you ever see Cody at an AEW show, in a suite, cheering on Ricky Starks? I'm aware of that. I'm saying that, in my experience in managing people, that you go a lot further and get a lot more out of the people you work with by letting things like this go. The managers who don't are typically the managers who wonder why they can't retain employees, wonder why they aren't getting the most out of their talent, or post signs like "nobody wants to work anymore". Re: your hypothetical, who cares? Why does it matter? Why is that any different than people congratulating each other on Twitter? Why can't wrestlers be publicly supportive of each other without fear of being called "unprofessional"? 1
odessasteps Posted September 4 Posted September 4 What would TK think if one of his real sports employees went to another stadium and into the dressing room to congratulate an opposing player? Not celebrating with them at some club or at their house? But the Jags QB or a Fulham striker went to Ravens Stadium or Stamford Bridge to celebrate some player rushing 100 yards or getting a hat trick? They might not be fired, but should be fined for conduct detrimental to the team.
Go2Sleep Posted September 4 Posted September 4 13 hours ago, HarryArchieGus said: I don't remember that Cope/Starks confrontation being 'worst' notable. I didn't see much of Copeland post 2003 to the end of his last WWE run. What did he do to garner a nomination for 'all-time stiff Promo'? I saw or heard enough of his WWE return talk segments/monologues to know he was an all-time drip on the mic. Is that what you meant? It's amazing to me how good he's been since getting away from WWE Scripts in AEW. Like many here, I've loved this late career Elite run. I meant a stiff promo similar to being a stiff worker. He's not necessarily trying to hurt guys on the mic, but he wants it to look good and his quick wit and way with words can be pretty rough for guys who can't keep up. The Rock is probably the king of stiff promos, but guys like HHH, Shawn, and Cena would fall into that category too. When those guys are verbally sparring with someone one their level, it's like the Kobashi/Sasaki chop exchange, but when it's someone who isn't, it's like Vader vs. a local guy on Saturday Night.
Stefanie Sparkleface Posted September 4 Posted September 4 13 minutes ago, odessasteps said: What would TK think if one of his real sports employees went to another stadium and into the dressing room to congratulate an opposing player? Not celebrating with them at some club or at their house? But the Jags QB or a Fulham striker went to Ravens Stadium or Stamford Bridge to celebrate some player rushing 100 yards or getting a hat trick? They might not be fired, but should be fined for conduct detrimental to the team. You mean the thing that happens regularly in real sports, when players congratulate opponents for reaching milestones, and is commonly lauded as good sportsmanship?
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