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Apparently Joanna champion will be one of the coaches.  Not sure if they announced the other coach yet.  Seems they are doing women's strawweight and light heavyweight this season.

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It's trending on social media that Manny Yarborough has died at the age of 51.

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Sean Wheelock's ABC committee passed weight classes 9 votes to nothing of 65, 75, 85, 205 & 225 in anticipation of today's meeting.

 

#UFC doesn't have opposition to more weight classes, per Novitzky.

 

Forgive my ignorance, but what exactly does this mean? Does the ABC have any real swing when it comes to MMA rules and regs? And if so, does their apparent adoption of new weight classes mean that the Unified Rules are being modified to include the new weight classes?

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Paul Gift ‏@MMAanalytics  2m

Sean Wheelock's ABC committee passed weight classes 9 votes to nothing of 65, 75, 85, 205 & 225 in anticipation of today's meeting.

 

#UFC doesn't have opposition to more weight classes, per Novitzky.

 

Forgive my ignorance, but what exactly does this mean? Does the ABC have any real swing when it comes to MMA rules and regs? And if so, does their apparent adoption of new weight classes mean that the Unified Rules are being modified to include the new weight classes?

 

 

That's actually a good question. Yes and no. They do have many of the commissions meet and convene over different rules and regulations. However, their thing is mostly providing a framework and improving record keeping. They can influence commissions since the commissions send representatives along with other major figures from the sport. The thing is that the commissions can pick and choose since the ABC does not regulate anyone. The state of California has more resources at their disposal than say Louisiana or wherever. So if California decided to ramp up drug testing and also drop the hammer on extreme weight cutting, that doesn't mean that everyone has to follow suit. However, the other places can see what California is doing to solve those issues.

 

It's the same pretty much with the weight classes. The idea of new weight classes has been tossed around for several years. However, the UFC has been seen as the leader of everything MMA. So if the UFC doesn't use those new weight classes, no one else is going to use those weight classes. However, if smaller regional organizations start experimenting with them leading to bigger regional orgs doing so, the braintrust at Zuffa might pick and choose what new weight classes to add. I just don't expect them to completely reshuffle their weight divisions since most of them are completely ingrained with the fanbase.

 

The reason I posted Gift's tweets is because that's really the first time I've seen the UFC and the ABC be in somewhat agreement. From Greg Savage's reports of being at those meetings, the UFC usually just ignores them and acts like they don't really exist.

 

This is a good example of that: http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/blog/cagewriter/post/ABC-makes-new-rules-UFC-says-no-thanks?urn=mma,92637. Hence why the ABC's most credible department is record keeping.

 

So sending Jeff Novitzky is a step in a whole different direction.

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Legacy FC vet Alex Morono is replacing Kelvin Gastelum against Kyle Noke at UFC 195.

 

Jimmie Rivera vs. Iuri Alcantara has been added to the UFC on Fox card in Newark. On the same card, Carlos Diego Ferreira is replacing Joaquim Silva against Olivier Aubin-Mercier.

 

Looks like Eye vs. Correia isn't happening. Marion Reneau is seeking to fight Bethe instead.

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Paul Gift ‏@MMAanalytics  2m

Sean Wheelock's ABC committee passed weight classes 9 votes to nothing of 65, 75, 85, 205 & 225 in anticipation of today's meeting.

 

#UFC doesn't have opposition to more weight classes, per Novitzky.

 

Forgive my ignorance, but what exactly does this mean? Does the ABC have any real swing when it comes to MMA rules and regs? And if so, does their apparent adoption of new weight classes mean that the Unified Rules are being modified to include the new weight classes?

 

 

That's actually a good question. Yes and no. They do have many of the commissions meet and convene over different rules and regulations. However, their thing is mostly providing a framework and improving record keeping. They can influence commissions since the commissions send representatives along with other major figures from the sport. The thing is that the commissions can pick and choose since the ABC does not regulate anyone. The state of California has more resources at their disposal than say Louisiana or wherever. So if California decided to ramp up drug testing and also drop the hammer on extreme weight cutting, that doesn't mean that everyone has to follow suit. However, the other places can see what California is doing to solve those issues.

 

It's the same pretty much with the weight classes. The idea of new weight classes has been tossed around for several years. However, the UFC has been seen as the leader of everything MMA. So if the UFC doesn't use those new weight classes, no one else is going to use those weight classes. However, if smaller regional organizations start experimenting with them leading to bigger regional orgs doing so, the braintrust at Zuffa might pick and choose what new weight classes to add. I just don't expect them to completely reshuffle their weight divisions since most of them are completely ingrained with the fanbase.

 

The reason I posted Gift's tweets is because that's really the first time I've seen the UFC and the ABC be in somewhat agreement. From Greg Savage's reports of being at those meetings, the UFC usually just ignores them and acts like they don't really exist.

 

This is a good example of that: http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/blog/cagewriter/post/ABC-makes-new-rules-UFC-says-no-thanks?urn=mma,92637. Hence why the ABC's most credible department is record keeping.

 

So sending Jeff Novitzky is a step in a whole different direction.

 

Thanks for helping to understand that, much appreciated.

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Any thoughts on OneFC's new weight cutting policy? Knee jerk reaction to an unfortunate event? An irrelevant move from an irrelevant org? Potentially revolutionary way of handing weight cutting? Just a pain in the ass to the actual experienced guys on the roster?  I honestly don't know what to make of it. Seems a bit far-fetched and hard to enforce at times ( fighters input their daily weights onto the database?) but is this something other orgs are considering or would in the future?

 

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I'm all for doing whatever can be done to minimise any risks these guys take, even at the cost of a good fight or two. I love the UFC's new drug testing system ( at least, what I understand of it), and don't think they get enough props for it. As carny as Dana White is, I don't think the whole thing was a PR move and do believe it was done in the interest of fighter safety.

 

This One policy was definitely straight PR. Without knowing for sure, there are a lot of people who have commented on One's lax (or non-existant) PED policy. They obviously don't care that much about fighter safety. Also, for what amounts to a small regional promotion aside from a handful of guys, that's a pretty specific plan to follow, isn't it?

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Any thoughts on OneFC's new weight cutting policy? Knee jerk reaction to an unfortunate event? An irrelevant move from an irrelevant org? Potentially revolutionary way of handing weight cutting? Just a pain in the ass to the actual experienced guys on the roster?  I honestly don't know what to make of it. Seems a bit far-fetched and hard to enforce at times ( fighters input their daily weights onto the database?) but is this something other orgs are considering or would in the future?

 

Edit : My thoughts:

 

I'm all for doing whatever can be done to minimise any risks these guys take, even at the cost of a good fight or two. I love the UFC's new drug testing system ( at least, what I understand of it), and don't think they get enough props for it. As carny as Dana White is, I don't think the whole thing was a PR move and do believe it was done in the interest of fighter safety.

 

This One policy was definitely straight PR. Without knowing for sure, there are a lot of people who have commented on One's lax (or non-existant) PED policy. They obviously don't care that much about fighter safety. Also, for what amounts to a small regional promotion aside from a handful of guys, that's a pretty specific plan to follow, isn't it?

 

Yeah, they're laying it on a bit thick. First of all, I struggle to believe anything that came directly as a result of someone actually dying is revolutionary. Were they waiting for someone to die to go through with it? Unless they mean something you see in Ronco informercial from years ago, then yes, it is revolutionary by that standard.

 

Second, as you've mentioned, they're basically going from one extreme to another without ever having a reason to utilize the latter. We're going from being a company where dudes can come in yolked up and weighing whatever to "yeah, you have to fight at your walking weight". In the hands of a company like One FC, I am super skeptical that this results in something positive. For company that has had their main event bouts fall through, this just seems like something way more than a kneejerk reaction. We're in straight up getting hit in friendly fire mode. So are they going to announce cards five days out? Anything else seems like a good reason to use "Card is Subject to Change".

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...and just as I hit "post", I see a video with Joe Lauzon basically saying the same thing I'm saying.

 

https://www.facebook.com/joelauzon/videos/10153775656248570/

 

I have no idea why people are so merry about this (check the Twitter replies to the One FC tweet for some mindless drones) with no evidence that something like this will truly work.

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Not on the current topic, but is it okay if we talk about Muay Thai or other Kickboxing styles in this thread? Like, I get MMA is the bee's knees, but I remember talking to my friend about strikers and he said that Conor is the best striker in Martial Arts. So after I picked up my sides from laughing so hard, I told him Conor is not even the best striker in his division(I still contend that Aldo had a lapse of judgement and forgot that he is a counter striker for a brief instant) let alone in Martial Arts in general. I suggested that he look up Buakaw, Saenchai, Simon Marcus, and then come back and say that again. I did not even mention Western American Boxers because I felt that I made my point. 

 

So he watches those fighters and was suitably impressed with those Muay Thai fighters. He then asked why guys like that don't make the transition, and I was frank: because those are two different sports.  Holly Holm made the transition from kickboxing, to boxing, to finally MMA and Joanna Jedrzejczyk made the transition to MMA from her Muay Thai background. Sure, they could be the lead in that gets a lot of K-1 of stand up strikers to make that transition and just fall in the sport and dominate like mediocre to good strikers have for the past 6 years, but both fighters had to train for takedown defense and ground control before they could even think of getting in that cage. They could just as easily be like Alistair Overeem(although he did not or had even a modicum of success in striking as a Buakaw or Sanchai does). There are fighters in kickboxing that outclass a few champions in MMA except in the area where they have no familiarity. I am sure that MMA fighters have said the same about boxing and kickboxing if those fighters even dared to enter the Octagon. But the thing is: a few have and they are dominating. 

 

So what do you think, Elsalvejaco?

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I'll admit that I'm a huge fan of Thai guys crossing over to MMA but unfortunately it doesn't happen a whole lot. I'm sure if you had asked me 5 - 10 years ago I would have predicted more guys jumping over but it just hasn't happened. I'd guess that the lack of mma shows (and grey area that mma occupies in Thailand afaik) as well as the popularity of muay-thai pretty much nixes that. Muay thai has been long established, kids train early and hard and get constant fights to feed their families with purses taking care of their training fees. Any person seriously training mma in Thailand means joining a reputable gym, at significant cost, and with very little money coming in.

 

Outside of Thailand the kickboxing scene is so thin and fractured that it's really hard to gauge. I'm sure there are a few people who could make a splash but there's not a whole lot of depth there. The women probably have the best chance, no disrespect, but their rankings are wide open and the divisions are still years behind the men's.

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I'm going respond to the striking discussion when I get ample time to do so. I'm traveling for the holidays so I can't really formulate my thoughts right now.

It appears that Anderson Silva vs. Michael Bisping is your 2/27 main event in London. They're looking for an opponent for Mousasi.

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Any thoughts on OneFC's new weight cutting policy? Knee jerk reaction to an unfortunate event? An irrelevant move from an irrelevant org? Potentially revolutionary way of handing weight cutting? Just a pain in the ass to the actual experienced guys on the roster?  I honestly don't know what to make of it. Seems a bit far-fetched and hard to enforce at times ( fighters input their daily weights onto the database?) but is this something other orgs are considering or would in the future?

 

Edit : My thoughts:

 

I'm all for doing whatever can be done to minimise any risks these guys take, even at the cost of a good fight or two. I love the UFC's new drug testing system ( at least, what I understand of it), and don't think they get enough props for it. As carny as Dana White is, I don't think the whole thing was a PR move and do believe it was done in the interest of fighter safety.

 

This One policy was definitely straight PR. Without knowing for sure, there are a lot of people who have commented on One's lax (or non-existant) PED policy. They obviously don't care that much about fighter safety. Also, for what amounts to a small regional promotion aside from a handful of guys, that's a pretty specific plan to follow, isn't it?

 

Hard for me to pat OneFC on the back here for a reactionary move to a fighter dying.  It's premature to call this policy game-changing, but we will wait and see.  

 

I think there does need to be dramatic changes to weight cutting and there needs to be regulation for these dangerous weight cuts.  But OneFC was hardly proactive about it.

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Not on the current topic, but is it okay if we talk about Muay Thai or other Kickboxing styles in this thread? Like, I get MMA is the bee's knees, but I remember talking to my friend about strikers and he said that Conor is the best striker in Martial Arts. So after I picked up my sides from laughing so hard, I told him Conor is not even the best striker in his division(I still contend that Aldo had a lapse of judgement and forgot that he is a counter striker for a brief instant) let alone in Martial Arts in general. I suggested that he look up Buakaw, Saenchai, Simon Marcus, and then come back and say that again. I did not even mention Western American Boxers because I felt that I made my point.

So he watches those fighters and was suitably impressed with those Muay Thai fighters. He then asked why guys like that don't make the transition, and I was frank: because those are two different sports. Holly Holm made the transition from kickboxing, to boxing, to finally MMA and Joanna Jedrzejczyk made the transition to MMA from her Muay Thai background. Sure, they could be the lead in that gets a lot of K-1 of stand up strikers to make that transition and just fall in the sport and dominate like mediocre to good strikers have for the past 6 years, but both fighters had to train for takedown defense and ground control before they could even think of getting in that cage. They could just as easily be like Alistair Overeem(although he did not or had even a modicum of success in striking as a Buakaw or Sanchai does). There are fighters in kickboxing that outclass a few champions in MMA except in the area where they have no familiarity. I am sure that MMA fighters have said the same about boxing and kickboxing if those fighters even dared to enter the Octagon. But the thing is: a few have and they are dominating.

So what do you think, Elsalvejaco?

The women probably have the best chance, no disrespect, but their rankings are wide open and the divisions are still years behind the men's.

I don't see any disrespect. To me, it's just two different animals all together.

With the men, the phrase "best ______ in each division" is starting to mean less and less every year that passes. It's fun for little debates and forum discussion. However, when we talk about Demian Maia being the best submission grappler we've ever seen in MMA, that's more or less a fact. Yeah, you can pick a handful of guys and talk about it. If it doesn't include Demian Maia, is it even worth discussing? The thing with Aldo and McGregor is you have to learn to separate those two types of thoughts. You can say that Conor isn't the best striker in whatever category without impeaching his skill or Aldo's. This wasn't like the straight up Hail Mary, "here goes nothing" strike Junior landed on Cain four years ago. That was still a good punch (shit, it worked), but you don't go, "oh shit, Junior dos Santos is ready to take on Daniel Ghita and Wladimir Klitschko right now." Conor went in there and knocked out one of the best strikers we've ever had the pleasure of seeing with a punch he has used to knock out previous opponents (IIRC Ivan Buchinger and another guy early in his career he knocked out super fast). Patrick Wyman had some incredible analysis before the fight that kinda mirrored what I was saying after the fight with my comment that Aldo walked up on Conor like he was Chris Mickle or some other Midwest journeyman fighter. Wyman basically said that Aldo cannot underestimate McGregor on the feet, and that his striking is way too good to just fight any type of fight. He also said that if Aldo played it a certain way, he was going to get lit up. I know I'm not doing his analysis any justice, but in that respect, you cannot look it as just a lucky punch or something that Aldo just let slip by. It was perfectly set up and executed. So at worst, Conor McGregor is at 1b in his weight class right now, which isn't bad given he knocked out one of the most accomplished fighters in the sport in a mere thirteen seconds.

With the women, it's just an entirely different beast. I think 115 for the UFC is more immune to it, but it's still very behind. To be completely honest, in an ideal, developed weight class, a woman like Joanna Jedrzejczyk wouldn't be champion just yet. She would be facing fighters like Penne and Letourneau on the way up the ranks like you have with a promising lightweight like Ferguson facing a tough, skilled yet somewhat diminished vet like Thomson and a super dangerous, young fighter like Edson Barboza. She could be still earmarked to challenge for a belt and win, but not wearing one at the present moment. The same thing could be said for Gadelha.

What a fight like Rose and PVZ showed is that while women's MMA has advanced a ton, it's still lagging far behind. If it I had to place it, it would be the 2003-2004 era with the UFC. My biggest gripe with comparing 115, 135, or any current division for females is that grit, toughness, or any intangible thing when it comes to fighting cannot be your best attribute in modern MMA. When that ends and the primary focus is on the skillset, that's when we can discuss and debate "_____ is the best striker at ____" like we do the men. I like Jim Miller and his fights entertain way more often than not. He is the closest textbook definition of a solid MMA fighter. The problem is that you cannot have a division full of Jim Millers, but less skilled. If women's MMA is to evolve (especially bantamweight), this is something that cannot continue.

Although, I will say that women's MMA has evolved to a certain level where it passed it a critical point. Hence, why I didn't go SEG UFC. The reason I said that is because you have people like Tiffany Van Soest and Jorina Baars come into MMA and fail miserably just like a Joe Schilling. That's a critical point to pass because seven years ago I would've said give me a couple of great Muay Thai practitioners (and a few world champion BJJ girls) and they could fucking wreck shop. My stance hasn't changed a whole bunch, but it comes with a stipulation. MMA is and should be at a point where great fighters from one discipline can be very mediocre at MMA and not adversely affect how look we look at that discipline. The reason those two women failed is not necessarily tied to who or what skills transition better. I mean I would take Schilling to beat Kato in a kickboxing fight 10 times out of 10 attempts and maybe 6 or 7 times out of 10 in a standup fight in MMA. The problem comes in where you don't take it seriously and don't have prerequisite skills that override your innate thinking to do something ill-advised on the ground or in the grappling department. There was no reason that Joe Schilling should be holding on to a guillotine choke while Rafael Carvalho has side control. That's just something that has to be eliminated. Those women are great strikers, but atrocious MMA fighters. That doesn't mean they cannot knock out random females at 125 or 145 respectively. That just means it most likely won't be anyone good. I mean GdR barely got off that bubble after the Porto fight, but she still has a ways to go if she wants to contend even in a weak field.

However, it all goes back to what I talk about with the whole grit thing. It's looking at the other side of the coin from where the comparisons specifically in striking are made. I will take someone like Germaine de Randamie to beat Larissa Pacheco on any given day. Hell yeah, she is going to break her arm and jaw just because all Larissa Pacheco has is grit when it all comes down to it. In MMA in general, there is no amount of grit, determination, and toughness that can overshadow being underskilled and underserved by your coaches. There is a reason why people had high hopes for Germaine when she said she was entering MMA after quite possibly one of the most brutal KOs (male or female) I've seen when she KO'd Angela Rivera-Parr. She is what I was hoping for when you had the whole thing where EliteXC was introducing female MMA and then you got stuff like ShoXC specifically for getting over the women. You would hope these awesome strikers and grapplers (think Hannette Staack back when she dominated her weight class in BJJ and the absolutes and not Kyra Gracie) would make that transition. Hoping for someone like Lucie Decosse who looks like a physical freak of nature and competes like one. They just never came. You got brief glimpses with people like Babydoll Reid and few others, but ultimately it never worked out. There are women out who are like Jacare and Maia and can do amazing things. They're just not in MMA. So if that's not happening, you better believe that people like Ronda Rousey and Holly Holm are going to be your rays of light. So for someone like Cristiane Justino to tighten up her boxing, it's extremely critical because she can go for being scary to fucking downright murderous. Because so many female fighters are underskilled, a precise right hand that is set up perfectly is going to do damage.

As you just look up and down the UFC.com roster page for the women's bantamweight division, it's nothing but women whose best attribute is being gritty. That would be nice if I was describing a Sam Peckinpah film and not a slew of trained prizefighters. Sure, you got some who are a tick better on the ground than on the feet (or vice versa) but that highlights the actual problem. I mean how does someone like Sarah Kaufman who won a belt in a company that has other female fighters lose to someone whose way less experienced on a certain platform. Kaufman is tough and she can put stuff together, but that's not how you want to describe a top fighter in any given weight class. So if you want a female who has awesome striking to make a successful transition to MMA, it's going to be someone like a Holly Holm or Valentina Shevchenko who are good enough grappling wise to just make other girls who are not skilled or not as proficient look silly. The last part is just the truth. Like what is a girl like Elizabeth Phillips going to do when she is up against a great striker who can stop takedowns? She's either getting knocked out brutally or get beaten up really badly on the way to dropping a 30-26 or 30-25 3x emphatic decision loss. It's MMA and that should happen. People talk about women don't have the knockout power, but you don't need the knockout power to do the job as UK boxing announcers put it. The overall skill does that for you just in case you don't have that. Frankie Edgar ain't exactly Dim Mak'ing dudes but he still night night'd another really talented featherweight.

So when you're going against a girl who has nothing for you, it should look like Joanna Champion vs. Penne or GdR vs. Pacheco because there is no good reason for those fights to end any other way. They should not look like the MMA version of that sham of a fight Melendez's wife had on that Dynamite card. That defeats the whole purpose to displaying women in combat sports on a televised platform and undercuts promoting it in the future. In order for that to happen at a more efficient rate, you're going to need two things. Obviously, it's the progression of talent entering the sport. Jacare and Maia make up for the fact that folks like Galvao and Marcelo Garcia really didn't get a chance to do what we know them for. Yoel Romero makes up for the fact Jake Rosholt stunk up the joint. We still need that influx of talent in female MMA especially at 135. So if we're talking strictly striking, it has to be those kickboxers and boxers like Shevchenko and Holm who can successfully cross-train. Not this Ana Julaton thing where you're just kinda doing it. If you do that, you're going to kinda get submitted. Secondly, that talent has to force out that old guard. It happens every other event in the UFC and few times a year in Bellator when it comes to the male fighters. I hate to name names, but it's the circle of life and you got to get to use to it. So in three or four years time, if fighters like Leslie Smith, Lauren Murphy, Jessica Eye, Marion Reneau, Bethe Correia, Sarah Kaufman, Raquel Pennington, Elizabeth Phillips, Jessamyn Duke, Liz Carmouche, and others are still in that immediate cluster, that's a very bad sign. They got to go as time progresses for things to get better. Either they have to be forced to improve like a Rafael dos Anjos or they have to go back to the place whence they came. If it's not on a strictly gatekeeper status, then they really serve no purpose in the promotion. You're going to need Thomas Almeida or Aljamain Sterling type figures to do that very task. That's not picking on the Johnny Eduardo and Brad Picketts of the world. In defense of those guys, they are no Brad Picketts or Johnny Eduardos in that list of women. The Sara McManns of the UFC have to be bumped down to the roles those women currently occupy while new talent surfaces. If you're getting a young female from Lion Fight, whatever kickboxing/TMA organization, or any boxing scene, they need to completely annihilate that class of women above and do the same amount of brutality Nunes did on McMann on that Nashville card. It sounds like a lot to ask, but it's not when we see so many fights almost every week and month where prospects and contenders rise to that occasion and reach new plateaus. Valentina Shevchenko beat a mainstay on one week's notice and only five weeks of training. The right women, especially with the amount of top level trainers and the amount of trial and error in cross training already completed, are certainly capable of doing that.

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to highlight just a small portion of that excellent read,

 

 

What a fight like Rose and PVZ showed is that while women's MMA has advanced a ton, it's still lagging far behind. If it I had to place it, it would be the 2003-2004 era with the UFC. My biggest gripe with comparing 115, 135, or any current division for females is that grit, toughness, or any intangible thing when it comes to fighting cannot be your best attribute in modern MMA.

 

my wife has been watching the UFC fights with me and the guys (since we always host) and, up until Rousey lost, she was completely convinced that Ronda could compete with anybody in the mens 135 division. this was my main point in trying to convince her otherwise, but it wasn't until the Holm decimation that she even understood what i was saying.

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With no head coach as Martin Kampmann moved back to Denmark, Cody Garbrandt has to decided to spend a majority of his next camp under the tutelage of Brandon Gibson at Jackson/Wink.

It also sounds like Lance Palmer is going to change up his training as well and be at somewhere other than Team Alpha Male.

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What's the rest of the card for that Breakfast with Fedor event?

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What's the rest of the card for that Breakfast with Fedor event?

 

Fight Card (Day 1):

 

Main Event:

Shinya Aoki vs. Kazushi Sakuraba

 

Heavyweight Grand Prix Opening Round:

Vadim Nemkov vs. Goran Reljic 

Satoshi Ishii vs. Jiri Prochazka

Teodoras Aukstuolis vs. Bruno Cappelozza

Muhammed Lawal vs. Brett McDermott

Valentin Molfovsky vs. Yuta Uchida (reserve bout)

 

Featured Fights:

A.J. Matthews vs. Anatoly Tokov

Nam Jin Jo vs. Yuki Motoya

Tsuyoshi Kohsaka vs. James Thompson

 

Fight Card (Day 2):

 

Main Event:

Fedor Emelianenko vs. Jaideep Singh

 

Heavyweight Grand Prix Final:

TBA vs. TBA

 

Heavyweight Grand Prix Semifinals:

TBA vs. TBA

TBA vs. TBA

 

Featured Fights:

Kron Gracie vs. Asen Yamamoto

Kaido Hoovelson vs. Jerome LeBanner

Yuichiro Nagashima vs. Andy Souwer

Gabi Garcia vs. Seini Draughn

Soo Chul Kim vs. Maike Linhares Galvao Amorim

Ken Hasegawa vs. Brennan Ward

Rena Kubota vs. Jleana Valentino

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Thales Leites is fighting Mousasi in the co-main event of the London card now.

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Thales Leites is fighting Mousasi in the co-main event of the London card now.

 

Good fight and sensible matchmaking there.

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Kevin Casey vs. Rafael Natal has been added to the Fox card in Newark.

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Okay I am confused is the RIZIN on Spike just a taped best of the 2 nights or only showing day 2 stuff. And if taped why show this in the morning

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Okay I am confused is the RIZIN on Spike just a taped best of the 2 nights or only showing day 2 stuff. And if taped why show this in the morning

1. Yeah, it's going to be the main fights from both nights. I'm guessing some are going to be edited down or joined in progress.

2. It was suppose to be in primetime, but Spike was scared to go against that New Year's Eve slate of college football bowl games. But yeah, it's not going to do well in that slot on a Thursday morning.

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According to Guilherme Cruz (by way of Anderson Silva during a conference call), UFC 197 has been taken out of Rio due to a bad economy.

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