Big Rob Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 I still think it's a waste because he could have been a big part of Cesaro's face turn. They could have let Cesaro use Real American for a year or two and he would have been super over. That would probably backfire, since any casuals would pop instantly for Hogan's music and then react negatively to someone who isn't the Hulkster coming out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamBroken Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 Not the best countdown but fitting the recent topic. Weird that they used one of HHH's lesser ones considering the more epic entrances he had. Always love Vince during Shawn's WM 12. UN BE LIEVABLE what a ride! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollywood Cibernetico Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 Wow! What a god awful list. Cena at number one? It what world? In 2014 it looks even cornier than it did when it first happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skelemania Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 People keep talking about the "pre-show" but Wrestlemania will be on the WWE Network. They don't have to have a pre-show to shill last minute PPV buys anymore because they're not really trying to sell PPV anymore. They're trying to sell the WWE Network. So is it technically even a pre-show anymore? What a weird era WWE is in right now. We're seeing the PPV business model go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandonr4s Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 - Member of the Shield turns, corporate team wins. - Uso's retain their titles. - Big Show wins the Andre the Giant thing. - John Cena beats Wyatt. - Undertaker (I mean, c'mon). - DB somehow "steals one" from HHH. - DB overcomes corporate bullshit and wins the title. Don't care about the divas match. Can barely name 5 of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antacular Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 I really can't believe all the "Daniel Bryan HAS to win the main event" here. This is the same company that just 3 years ago thought The Miz winning was a smart move. At this point Randall walking out champ wouldn't surprise me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVA Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 I really can't believe all the "Daniel Bryan HAS to win the main event" here. I don't get it either. They've contrived a scenario to put Bryan in that match so the crowd won't shit all over it, not necessarily because they've suddenly seen the error of their ways and are ready to annoint him. Sure, it might happen, but it seems just as likely to me that they'll stick with their original plan and put the belt on Big Dave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sublime Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 The end in 0 manias are the time when WWE reminds us that they are a wrestling company. Hart walked out at X, Benoit and Eddie at 20 and Bryan at 30 I believe that Bryan walking out as champ has been in the works since Summerslam, they just did a shit job of getting from that point to this point or did they do a great job? I mean here we are all discussing why we can see Bryan lose at mania, this is what they want. Would we be having the same conversation if he had a long reign in the fall or won the Rumble? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antacular Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 The best are those who think this was their master plan all along: to negate the importance of the Rumble, botch Dave's return, and merely plant rumors that DB was originally to face Sheamus. The guy who's been getting non-stop chants from the crowd for the better part of 6 months was booked against Sheamus. Fucking SHEAMUS. I Want everyone to think about that before they post another "It's inevitable that DB is going to win." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antacular Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 The end in 0 manias are the time when WWE reminds us that they are a wrestling company. Hart walked out at X, Benoit and Eddie at 20 and Bryan at 30 I believe that Bryan walking out as champ has been in the works since Summerslam, they just did a shit job of getting from that point to this point or did they do a great job? I mean here we are all discussing why we can see Bryan lose at mania, this is what they want. Would we be having the same conversation if he had a long reign in the fall or won the Rumble? If it was in the works since SummerSlam, why wouldn't they just have him win the Rumble? If they were so set on inserting Big Dave into the title picture, have HIM be the third wheel, or have DB then lose his title shot to BD at Elimination Chamber, and then be forced to beat HHH at Mania to be re-inserted into the WM main event. By DB having to bitch about getting a title shot, it negates the whole purpose of the Royal Rumble: It's the only way you get a WrestleMania title shot, UNLESS you complain enough about circumstances completely unrelated to said Rumble. It's fucking terrible booking, one awesome #OccupyRaw and HHH beatdown segment makes a sensible title picture does not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LooseCannon Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 People keep talking about the "pre-show" but Wrestlemania will be on the WWE Network. They don't have to have a pre-show to shill last minute PPV buys anymore because they're not really trying to sell PPV anymore. They're trying to sell the WWE Network. So is it technically even a pre-show anymore? What a weird era WWE is in right now. We're seeing the PPV business model go away. The Super Bowl is not on PPV. Does it have a pre-show? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parties Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 Cue that trombone again. Reading this thread, I'm actually surprised by what has been a lame Mania build, and by what a lackluster show this may end up being. I have the same beef with it that I've had with the last several: the baffling usage of the midcard, with some of the worst workers being put in big spots and the best being given nothing. No Langston title defense, no Ambrose defense, or unification of the two belts. Bad usage of the Shield, unless this is the real kickoff to their face run and they beat the piss out of Billy Gunn in a three minute squash. No real match for Harper and Rowan. Only a battle royal appearance for Ziggler, Sheamus, Henry, Show, and the Rhodes brothers. No usage of Vince or anyone from NXT. Kane must be the nicest guy on Earth to be given the perma-love he gets from the company. I like the Andre battle royal, but that's the kind of thing that should be about Mark Henry punting Jinder Mahal while William “Refrigerator” Perry points and laughs. Way too many guys in there who should be having their own match. There are 10-15 dudes on the roster who could fill out an amazing midcard if given anything real to do. I'm someone who's found the last few Manias to be somewhat lame, but this one feels really weird as it was such a good year for the company in-ring, with so many workers worth celebrating at the big dance. That said, it's lame to pan a show that hasn't happened yet, and I expect at least a few good surprises/matches/moments. Wyatt-Cena is poised to steal the show. Overall this one reminds me of WM17, in that they have this huge industry-changing moment in the Network debut that happened right before Mania, and in doing so it kind of stolen WM's thunder and took the company's focus off of this show. I get that if Bryan wins everyone goes home happy, and that he is and should be the focal point. But we're setting the bar pretty low for the biggest show of the year if all we expect is for them to do a kinda-sorta-barely adequate job of culminating exactly one storyline in the span of a full year. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandonr4s Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 Seriously, no way Bryan doesn't walk out with the belt. Even they are that stupid/selfish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antacular Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 And again, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSJ Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 I still think a jazz funeral procession after Taker's win would be the coolest thing ever. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antacular Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 You mean after Brock's evisceration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sublime Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 The end in 0 manias are the time when WWE reminds us that they are a wrestling company. Hart walked out at X, Benoit and Eddie at 20 and Bryan at 30 I believe that Bryan walking out as champ has been in the works since Summerslam, they just did a shit job of getting from that point to this point or did they do a great job? I mean here we are all discussing why we can see Bryan lose at mania, this is what they want. Would we be having the same conversation if he had a long reign in the fall or won the Rumble? If it was in the works since SummerSlam, why wouldn't they just have him win the Rumble? If they were so set on inserting Big Dave into the title picture, have HIM be the third wheel, or have DB then lose his title shot to BD at Elimination Chamber, and then be forced to beat HHH at Mania to be re-inserted into the WM main event. By DB having to bitch about getting a title shot, it negates the whole purpose of the Royal Rumble: It's the only way you get a WrestleMania title shot, UNLESS you complain enough about circumstances completely unrelated to said Rumble. It's fucking terrible booking, one awesome #OccupyRaw and HHH beatdown segment makes a sensible title picture does not. Like I said, they've done a shit job of getting to the point. I think, if this has been the plan, they're trying to throw fans off with all these twists and turns to make it more unpredictable but really it's just made the whole story less compelling. I'm not saying that this has been a good way to get to the point just the way that they decided to go with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSJ Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 You mean after Brock's evisceration. Precisely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go2Sleep Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 Overall this one reminds me of WM17, in that they have this huge industry-changing moment in the Network debut that happened right before Mania, and in doing so it kind of stolen WM's thunder and took the company's focus off of this show. I get that if Bryan wins everyone goes home happy, and that he is and should be the focal point. But we're setting the bar pretty low for the biggest show of the year if all we expect is for them to do a kinda-sorta-barely adequate job of culminating exactly one storyline in the span of a full year. If this show is half as good as WM 17, I'll be ecstatic. Although it's funny how that show turned out so great when the build was terrible as you alluded to. You had the purchase of WCW being a footnote in the McMahon family drama, Austin coming off a loss to HHH at No Way Out and most of the Rock feud centered around Debra, Angle going from champ to meaningless midcard match with Benoit, Jericho peeing in Regal's tea, a no-effort TLC rehash, and the usual assortment of midcard filler. It really only had HHH/Taker as the lone good feud and couple good promos from Austin/Rock that everyone remembers instead of the Debra stuff. Hopefully this show can go down the same path where the matches/big spots end up being so good, everyone will forget how we got there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antacular Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 The end in 0 manias are the time when WWE reminds us that they are a wrestling company. Hart walked out at X, Benoit and Eddie at 20 and Bryan at 30 I believe that Bryan walking out as champ has been in the works since Summerslam, they just did a shit job of getting from that point to this point or did they do a great job? I mean here we are all discussing why we can see Bryan lose at mania, this is what they want. Would we be having the same conversation if he had a long reign in the fall or won the Rumble? If it was in the works since SummerSlam, why wouldn't they just have him win the Rumble? If they were so set on inserting Big Dave into the title picture, have HIM be the third wheel, or have DB then lose his title shot to BD at Elimination Chamber, and then be forced to beat HHH at Mania to be re-inserted into the WM main event. By DB having to bitch about getting a title shot, it negates the whole purpose of the Royal Rumble: It's the only way you get a WrestleMania title shot, UNLESS you complain enough about circumstances completely unrelated to said Rumble. It's fucking terrible booking, one awesome #OccupyRaw and HHH beatdown segment makes a sensible title picture does not. Like I said, they've done a shit job of getting to the point. I think, if this has been the plan, they're trying to throw fans off with all these twists and turns to make it more unpredictable but really it's just made the whole story less compelling. I'm not saying that this has been a good way to get to the point just the way that they decided to go with. So you're claiming they've intentionally booked the entire title scene as complete shit to keep the fans on the egde of their seats? I think the real answer, that they're fucking idiots and only changed it at the last second to avoid an embarassing WM main event, requires a lot less mental gymnastics. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LooseCannon Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 Do you believe that they completely switched gears on how they were going to handle Daniel Bryan or do you believe that Bryan was in line for this sort of push in the future and circumstances caused WWE to move up their timetable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skelemania Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 People keep talking about the "pre-show" but Wrestlemania will be on the WWE Network. They don't have to have a pre-show to shill last minute PPV buys anymore because they're not really trying to sell PPV anymore. They're trying to sell the WWE Network. So is it technically even a pre-show anymore? What a weird era WWE is in right now. We're seeing the PPV business model go away. The Super Bowl is not on PPV. Does it have a pre-show? I mean, that's a good point, I won't argue that. But the Super Bowl isn't on an exclusive channel that you have to pay for either. That sells in 6-month blocks. So I just think it's sort of a date reference is all. From my understanding, people can still technically buy the show old fashioned way & pay the $65 or whatever (even though Dish dropped WWE I think) but for the most part, WWE is going to be shilling people buying the Network, not getting Wrestlemania. So what is the goal of the pre-show? To get people to sign-up for six months off of seeing one match? That doesn't seem very logical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antacular Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 Do you believe that they completely switched gears on how they were going to handle Daniel Bryan or do you believe that Bryan was in line for this sort of push in the future and circumstances caused WWE to move up their timetable? If it weren't for the crowds of the past 6 months, I'd suspect they planned to keep him around as a perpetual upper-mid card guy a la Jericho, the guy who can always be considered "in title contention," but never in the main event scene for that long. And there were certainly no plans for him to be in the main event for WM30, because what would be the point of him feuding with the Wyatts right before he started having beef with HHH again? He goes from winning the title from Cena, losing battles to Orton, feuds with the Wyatts, and is suddenly back in the main event picture? It's entirely all due to the crowd reaction. To argue otherwise is to completely ignore the booking since Summerslam and trying to paint WWE creative as geniuses, when the reality is that they wanted Hollywood Big Dave to be their "it" guy. They didn't give a shit about DB, they wanted one of the stars for this summer's installment of the Marvel franchise to be the face of the company. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
victor Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 To show you how far in advance they plan, my onscreen DVR guide says The McMahon's continue to interfere with Raw, and see what they have in store for C.M. Punk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LooseCannon Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 I actually believe that Daniel Bryan is the sort of guy they would have in the main event scene when the part-timers aren't around, but pushed down the card when guys like Taker are around for Wrestlemania. I think they wanted him to take over CM Punk's spot in the pecking order, since he is a better performer who would be a more loyal company guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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