RIPPA Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 RODERICK STRONG vs. Will Ospreay http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3tcjqv_roderick-strong-c-vs-tomohiro-ishii-2-19-16_sport vs. Tomohiro Ishii HECHICERO vs. Rush* vs. Valiente * - indicates 1001 matches selection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tromatagon Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Hechicero means SORCERER Roddy Strong means SHITTY LITTLE BOOTS You know how to vote 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted March 1, 2016 Author Share Posted March 1, 2016 You know how to vote I am going to be a little less subtle this time You know the more you post this - the more folks are going to go in the opposite direction... right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tromatagon Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 I already know who is going to win this one. Hechicero is going to get a vote from me and Odessa and that's probably it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T. Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Roddy's had some really good matches in the voting period but he's still got the charisma of a grain of sand. His moves and spots in matches always seem to be a message being sent to me about how awesome he is and it never works. Meanwhile that five star with Hechicero and Rush is balls to the walls. Hechicero is fucking awesome and mother fuckers need to watch more lucha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tromatagon Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Roddy is really good at making me want to see everyone they put against him for the PWG title win instead of him, so I'll give him that, but I really didn't like him as a face either. I like how someone makes TEN MILLION BACKBREAKER VARIANTS a gimmick opposed to the 2000 people using suplexes as their gimmick like that, but it makes me miss El Samurai and his ten million DDT variant style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 I'm the first guy who will say that Strong's work against guys like Thatcher was good, but I've got to vote along party lines here. I actually think Hechicero, who was already good, has come a long way in the last year too. He's working in more of the conjuring hand-movements and character work which adds a lot. I thought it really helped him get over in Japan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 I already know who is going to win this one. Hechicero is going to get a vote from me and Odessa and that's probably it. Well, theres also Matt and maybe Rob and Cubs and Fredo if they participate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Z Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Everybody, who complained about Seth Rollins being a shitty heel champion should vote for Roddy here. He's the perfect little chickenshit heel champ you just want to see get beaten. I can't agree with the "no charisma" talking point either. He's not much of a promo guy, agreed, but he just exudes arrogance, when he's in the ring. When he went up against Ishii, unlike Makabe, Shibata and everyone else he didn't try a slap battle with Ishii to see who lasts longer, he actually ran away from his chops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOTNW Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Everybody, who complained about Seth Rollins being a shitty heel champion should vote for Roddy here. He's the perfect little chickenshit heel champ you just want to see get beaten. I can't agree with the "no charisma" talking point either. He's not much of a promo guy, agreed, but he just exudes arrogance, when he's in the ring. When he went up against Ishii, unlike Makabe, Shibata and everyone else he didn't try a slap battle with Ishii to see who lasts longer, he actually ran away from his chops. Isn't he a face in ROH though? I thought it was really strange that he'd suddenly start working heel, especially when the crowd wasn't buying it one bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Z Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 I'm mainly talking about his run as PWG champion here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOTNW Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Yeah but my point about how he worked vs. Ishii still stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Hero Morganti Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Hechicero means SORCERER Roddy Strong means SHITTY LITTLE BOOTS You know how to vote If I vote based on only one fact. It is that I like sorcerers more than back breakers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 It's also important to keep in mind Hechicero's range. People are saying that Strong was weaker when not doing the chickenshit heel thing. Hechicero worked tecnico in the Rush match, for instance, and he has a few more maestro style mat-heavy matches, on top of his CMLL straight up rudo work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Z Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Yeah but my point about how he worked vs. Ishii still stands. He definitely worked the Ishii match as a heel. I don't actually watch weekly ROH enough to know, if he's usually a face there or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazlo Woodbine Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Hechicero is a joy to watch at all times. Roddy is hit or miss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technico Support Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Apropos of nothing here but the best thing I saw Strong involved in was the PWG fans chanting "shitty little boots" at him, then one boot came off and they chanted "shitty little socks." Then the sock came off and they chanted "shitty little feet." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamp, broken circa 1988 Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 I could watch Hechicero wrestle literally anyone and have a 90% shot of enjoying most of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRGoldman Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 I actively dislike Strong, and not in a "he's a heel I'm supposed to" way. Hechicero has the best offense on the planet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SturmCRF Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Seen Strong live a few times in Progress, plus the Ishii match and BOLA. He's great on several levels now and nowhere near as bland as he used to be, but I'm going to go watch some Hechichero now, what I saw of him for last year's MM was excellent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyLaw Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Apropos of nothing here but the best thing I saw Strong involved in was the PWG fans chanting "shitty little boots" at him, then one boot came off and they chanted "shitty little socks." Then the sock came off and they chanted "shitty little feet." And people think Full Sail gets too cutesy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DylanWaco Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 I love Hechicero, but I actually see no case for him which I can't believe I'm saying because before last year I didn't care about Roddy at all. I just feel like Strong had very good and great matches against way too many people, while Hechicero was lost in the shuffle. Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought Strong was a top five guy last year. Not sure where I'd have Hechicero but it wouldn't be near that level. And I love the guy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technico Support Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Apropos of nothing here but the best thing I saw Strong involved in was the PWG fans chanting "shitty little boots" at him, then one boot came off and they chanted "shitty little socks." Then the sock came off and they chanted "shitty little feet." And people think Full Sail gets too cutesy. Yeah dude shame on those fans for enjoying themselves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiji Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 So, I've watched six Hechicero matches before voting. He is tremendous and I love everything he does. Even then, none of the matches I watched are what I would call fantastic or high end caliber, whereas Wodewick was in that territory for long stretches of the year, admittedly in part because of great opposition. But he brought it and won me over pretty quickly. I went from rolling my eyes at Roderick to firmly believing he had one of the best years out of anybody wrestling in New Japan/PWG/Lucha Underground/WWE/ROH. I have to go with him, though I love Hechicero. One thing I found was that Hechicero panders to the audience too much for my liking. For example, there was a moment in the Rush match where he had Rush down, played to the audience for 10 or so seconds and then it looked like he remembered he was in a match and rushed for the pinfall attempt. Small gripe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DylanWaco Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 If you had told me a year ago that these guys would have a first round March Madness match up, and I would think one of the guys was being robbed, I wouldn't have imagined it would be Hechicero that was the one I thought was committing larceny. We live in crazy times friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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