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I liked lot of 90s music, there isn't much music I do like after the 90s.

I haven't turned on MuchMusic (now Much) in many years, the channel must be very crappy nowadays.

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I've been rediscovering lots of punk music I had to miss while delving into the entirety of Bob Dylan's catalogue for like 20 years. Back in the old days, I had a pretty random collection of stuff by Green Day, Social Distortion, blink-182, The Bouncing Souls, rancid, and The Sex Pistols. I think I move'd onto the popcore emo stuff after I got into The Clash, and Combat-Rock kind of open'd my mind to try anything alternative to the radio in the Napster era. I really liked how A New Found Glory mix'd the pop-punk with a little more mid-pace'd hardcore but with them, it seem'd like something that couldn't go on forever. I moved on completely to folk-music once I heard of Bright Eyes and the rest is history, except lately I realize'd I somehow forgot Saves The Day. I had Through Being Cool and Stay What You Are and I think that on those two albums, they did perfectly what NFG aim'd to accomplish in those early years. 

As far as the punk rock goes, does anyone hate where the old bands have gone with the music in the last 20 years? I saw a Green Day MV the other day about getting-drunk and I thought it was terrific. "Redundant" was always one of my favorite G.D. songs and I love when Billy Joe offers his version of the Lennon-esque psychedelia, plus I'm glad to hear them looking and sounding somewhat happy with where they are right now (it can't be easy coming down from that American Idiot high). I've heard great things about blink-182's newest album and MxPx are likewise said to be on a musical peak right now; I like that The Ataris are still around. 

Social Distortion I've always been kind of in-the-middle towards. I really, really like WLWHWT and Somewhere B/W Heaven & Hell, but the rest of the stuff is hit and miss with me. Sex, Love, and Rock'n'roll sounds great, but I don't know how bad I want to hear Hard-Time and Nursey Rhymes. I wish Mike Ness would do another solo album; Under The Influences is a large part of why I start'd giving country-music a chance in my younger years. Their concert at Hellfest is a great watch on youtube.

Rancid are easily the most impressive of the bunch, if you ask me. "Red Hot Moon" and "Last One to Die" are old as hell already but it's hard to tell when I listen to them. Hell, "Evil's My Friend" might be consider'd old already and I'm still dreaming of the towns where that song is play'd on the radio. Is "New American" about meeting the guy from The Butcher and The Blade? I know I could look it up, but I'd rather just listen to the song to be honest. 

As far as I new stuff I look to pick up some Good Riddance and Hot Water Music when I've got some coin in my pocket. If Chuck Ragan has solo stuff, I'll be dumping whatever I can find in my pockets at his feet; I can't believe it took me so long to remember Hot Water Music exists. 

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I gotta work so I'm gonna keep this short, but those first six albums..  good lord. And I have Rage for Order on tape coming in the mail. Queensryche were the best up til the big one.

EDIT: "The big one" being Mindcrime. I reason I like the EP and The Warning so much is probably because they sound just like '70s Judas Priest. Melodic and sorrowful. Rage and Mindcrime became a weird mix of very 'of its time' '80s prog metal and I like that too, but it took me years to be able to get into it. (I was too busy listening to Minor Threat haha)

Coincidentally I've also listened to the Butthole's PCPEP and put Psychic EP on the drive in my car. Ridiculous 😄

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Category: Eurovision music that has become far too relevant at various times

”Push the Button” by Teapacks from 2007

probably for the best to not comment about some things

but the Hebrew rapping was fun

This finished 24th of 28 in the semifinal because you can’t venture too far outside of the mold in Eurovision unless you’re really awesome

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On 4/5/2024 at 6:33 PM, ohtani's jacket said:

The Chameleons' Script of the Bridge... I would not argue with anyone who said this was the best album of 1983 and that The Chameleons were the best post-punk band in music at the time. I don't think too many people would see The Chameleons are tremendously underrated despite their influence on the Manchester music scene, but that small pocket from '83-86 has me gushing the same way people used to do over The Stone Roses. This is their best album, though. 

Talking Heads' Speaking n Tongues... this would be a lot of people's pick for the best album of 1983, and I would not argue with them. This record is phenomenal. That moment when Burning Down the House kicks in still makes me jump. And the music is so freaking good. I'm not sure that people realize what an amazing synth funk record this is. This album is so good that an instrumental version would have been just as good. The Stop Making Sense film is awesome. David Byrne is awesome. 

Yeah, Script of the Bridge is excellent. It's been on rotation since around the time of this post. This album is like if the Killers had a truly great album before going overly commercial. I've read their celebrity vocalist is a fan amongst many, many others. The underrated call on this album and this band's catalog seems to have much to do with their presentation. They seem like a key study in great bands without strong aesthetic choices - they're sorta forgettable looking (that's okay) and have consistently rotten album covers (Script included). Apparently this presentation was a point of pride. One of the band members was responsible for the atrocious sleeve design. Kinda wonder what signing to Factory, with in house Peter Saville cover art, would've done for this group? They also were noted as being signed to a major label which lost them the Indie press they so needed in the UK. 

I always forget how much I know and dig Speaking in Tongues. It was one of the first vinyl LPs I purchased. A real old beater copy that I've long since replaced. Great album. I feel like I indulge a lot of these songs outside the massive single via (arguably the greatest concert film ever made) Stop Making Sense. 

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Allan Holdsworth's Road Games... this was interesting as you don't tend to find a lot of jazz EPs. Holdsworth was a British prog musician who was a devotee of advanced music theory. This sounded more like a prog record to me than jazz, but there were fusion elements.

Golpes Bajos' Golpes Bajos... a nice little slice of Spanish new wave pop. This band went on to release a pair of solid albums in '84 and '85. 

Ostrogoth's Full Moon's Eyes... old school Belgian metal. You can't really go wrong with this. Speedy power metal. 

Poison Idea's Pick Your King E.P... this is the debut EP from Portland hardcore band Poison Idea. There were a shit ton of hardcore EPs released in 1983. That's a glorious thing for the hardcore enthusiast, but it makes it difficult to stand out from other hardcore bands. I haven't heard any other releases from this group. I liked what I heard here, but there was an element of it sounding like the same song over and over again. 

Koro's Koro... now we're talking. This EP is like six minutes long and was bootlegged multiple times before getting an official release. The band released this one EP before breaking up, but man, 1983, Koro wuz here.

D.R.I.'s Dirty Rotten EP... man, what a racket! This is the beginning of D.R.I and one of the first thrashcore releases. Y'know, when you think of 80s nostalgia, you think of Stranger Things and the like, but this record makes me imagine a bunch of teenage hardcore fans getting their hands on early thrash metal and freaking out. 

Trisomie 21's Le Repos des enfants heureux... and now for a total change of pace, here's a French coldwave EP. Very mechanical but strangely enchanting.

Anti-Clmex (EP)... I don't feel comfortable typing the title of this EP. You can look it up if you're interested. That's no judgment on the record, though. It's 8 minutes of ripping D-Beats and musically I like it better than a lot of hardcore EPs from '83. 

The Particles' I Luv Trumpet... The Particles were an Australian group, though you couldn't really tell from listening to them. They grew out of the Australian punk scene of the late 70s. In the post-punk era, they gleefully described themselves as bubblegum pop. This was a post-punk twee pop offering with, you guessed it, horns. Highly recommended if you like indy twee pop. 

Ratt's Ratt... the haters gonna hate, hate, hate. Give me Ratt or give me death. 

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It's Anti Cimex, not Anti-Climax 😄 It's a Swedish pesticide. 

Anyway, Pick Your King and (see below) and Dirty Rotten and Koro are absolutely the cream of the crop. I used to tape the first two and sell the cassettes with printed covers on one tape for $3 a pop at punk shows, just to show the kids what was up.

Anyway. Poison Idea had a long and very storied (and very drug-involved) career. I'm reading the (3 part!) autobio of its main man Jerry A. Lang currently and it's one brutal case of child abuse to start up with initially reading. Pretty harrowing. He also, along with his guitarist nicknamed Pig Champion ended up stretching the 1000 lb. mark collectively in weight, with Tom Pig having to sit to play eventually. But anyway, fire-blowing (literally), incredible hardcore that turned into some of the most fantastic rock-metal-punk crossover in history. Feel the Darkness is one of the best LPs ever. (God, this is PI live in '83. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44DVu0qTI7Y If that doesn't raise your heart level, you're dead. And this is before Jerry was singing through streams of blood and high on every drug ever.) RIP Pig and Steve (thee Slayer Hippy) Hanford!

Cimex is absolutely one of my favorite bands and were also intially the best hardcore on the planet and stayed that way with their own special metal twist creeping in, in the vein of Motorhead. The Victims of a Bomb Raid EP, Criminal Trap MLP, Absolut Country of Sweden, and Scandinavian Jawbreaker (WHAT a fucking title!!!) along with


Raped Ass. Yes, they named their first 7'' that.

are of highest importance to me as a music fan. They took the Discharge mold and begat an entire subgenre of music: D-Beat Raw Punk. And even if you dislike the title of that EP you have to admit that the "I'll take all the uranium you've got..." reaper-with-cash-in-hand cover from some old political comic in a paper is the finest of punk rock art. 

The Koro EP is pretty legendary. I don't like it as much some really obscure US stuff, but it's great. And I mean Dirty Rotten EP, first blast beat ever not played by a jazz drummer on this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzQgGMPCkP4

And to wrap up, that Ostrogoth EP is the way! 

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And yeah... I finally listened to the Ratt EP this year. It's not bad! 

EDIT: Oh god I just remembered that PI took that Cimex EP title's crudity to another level by recording an EP entitled, initially, Ian Mackaye (haha) and had a photo of a band member, erm, spreading on it.

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Today’s chain restaurant lunchtime classic rock playlist includes:

skynyrd, zeppelin, Van Halen, genesis, CCR, loverboy, white snake, flock of seagulls. 

and I was here long enough to hear a second zeppelin song.

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SS Decontrol's Get it Away... messy hardcore EP. Just the way I like it.

Dezerter's Ku przyszłości... Polish punk EP. Very cool. RYM says it's a hardcore record but it was fairly rhythmic. 

YDI's A Place in the Sun... angry hardcore EP with terrible production. That either adds to the aesthetic or destroys it. YMMV.

Fang's Landshark! This sounded closer to noise rock than hardcore, imo, due to the slower tempo and humorous lyrics. Not bad.

Death SS' Evil metal... early Italian effort at doom metal. Actually kind of amazing that this is from 1983. This sounds like it comes from a later point in metal history.

Death Cult's Death Cult... The Southern Death Cult begin morphing into the Cult with this EP. This marks the tail end of their post-punk gothic rock phase. It's an interesting peek into a band in transition and a pretty good EP with improved production and musicianship.

Naked Raygun's Basement Screams... This was okay. I was expecting it to be more clever based on the name of the band and the EP (something along the lines of The Misfits, I guess), but it was an interesting mix of punk rock styles.

Gai's Damaging Noise... there's hardcore, and then there's Japanese hardcore. The vocalist sounds like a rabid dog on this. This will give you nightmares.

The Long Ryders' 10-5-60... The Long Ryders were a Paisley Underground group who did a Country Rock thing. It's kind of weird to hear country music coming out of Los Angeles, but they were committed to it. 

MDC's Multi-Death Corporations... thrashy anarcho-punk. No prizes for guessing who they were going after.

Pretty Maids' Pretty Maids... interesting debut EP from this Danish metal group. This is very much straight metal but enjoyable.

Sonic-Youth's Kill Yr. Idols... this is a companion piece to Sonic Youth's Confusion as Sex LP from the same year. Slow, brooding noise rock. It's hard to imagine that these guys would become one of the biggest alt rock bands of the late 80s-early 90s from listening to this.

Subhumans' Evolution... this isn't bad, but as with a lot of UK82 stuff, the vocals bother me. I know it's meant to be working class punk rock, but the accent is grating. 

Los Lobos' ..And a Time to Dance... this okay. I imagine they would have been a fun band to see live.

Front 242's Endless Riddance... fun Belgian minimal synth EP. They don't make music like this anymore. 

Thomas Dolby's Blinded by Science... I have zero attachment to She Blinded Me With Science. It's not one of my jams. But I was interested in the rest of Dolby's output on this EP. It turns out that he was quite a decent songsmith. Certainly deserving of a bigger rep. 

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I guess my comments here are 

1. YDI are legitimately scary and make me feel like Gai ( who of course I also love) do to you

2. Evil Metal deserves at least a bootleg. The tracks not being on the LP version of The Story of Death SS is a big miss.

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A couple more things now I'm back from work

Death SS is a legendary Italian band whos guitar player Paul Chain cut his eye out in a Satanic ritual (!!!), turned into a Jehovah's Witness (?!?!) after, and formed his own group Paul Chain Violet Theater and later a musical container system for his works in doom metal, hard rock, experimental noise, etc. Vocalist Steve Sylvester, however, continued with the Death SS name forever and a day and is still making crappy albums 40 years later. The Story of Death SS album and The Cursed Singles and Paul's early stuff is where you need to go, simply incredible, the heaviest vibe ever and totally morbid. Later on he did some really good doom rock too, had Lee Dorrian from Cathedral sing some stuff, Wino on guitars, etc. He also sings in his own phonetic language! Strange, strange stuff. 

Naked Raygun became stalwarts that solidified the Chicago punk sound, which is actually very Misfits with a lot of "whoa-oh-oh"s and melody. Basement Screams is a bit of an odd-man-out to start. I like it just fine. Sax!

The SSD EP is being re-released 40 years later. "At long last", as they say. Their LP before this (a perfect hardcore album) went for $1000 a pop or something like that and it just got the re-release as well. 

Los Lobos had a hit with their cover of "La Bamba" for the movie about Richie Valens and I actually saw the video on MTV2 late last night, and have seen them play it live on TV too, and shit yeah they would be awesome live. Cool as all get out. Rock and Roll! 

"Kill Yr. Idols" itself, the song off the EP, is my fave SY song actually

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Antidote's Thou Shall Not Kill... pretty cool New York hardcore album. Manages to be angry but rhythmic at the same time. New York had an amazing music scene in 1983 and this is a nice little slice of what the punks were up to.

The Scientists' Blood Red River.. Punk blues EP from Australia. Sounds like they could have opened for The Birthday Party. Pretty cool.

Deep Wound's Deep Wound... decent little thrashcore EP from the guys who'd go onto form Dinosaur Jr.

Big Black's Bulldozer... I can't remember if I've listened to much Big Black, but this was the EP where they found their footing. Lyrically, the songs aren't as controversial as the records that followed. It's really the guitar sound that they begin to develop here.

Art of Noise's Into Battle With the Art of Noise... this is an early sample-based electronic EP that is pretty much off the hook. Dudes going crazy with the technology in 1983.

Jag Panzer's Jag Panzer... also known as Tyrants, this is honest to goodness US Power Metal. Has my full respect.

Cause for Alarm's Cause for Alarm... another New York hardcore record. I quite like the New York sound. It's fast and furious, but music you can head bang to if so inclined.

Say Yes to Apes' Who's That... this is a New Zealand record I had no idea existed. The front man is the actor Kevin Smith, who played Ares in Xena and Hercules. I met him when I was a teenager. I'd been jumped by a bunch of guys and they'd bottled me, and I met Smith in a gas station. I was bleeding from the top of my head and asked him for a lift home. He declined. He couldn't really sing but it was a post-punk record so that didn't matter much. Had no idea he was in a band in the early 80s. 

Tall Dwarfs' Canned Music... this is a group with a much bigger rep in New Zealand as they were a key figure in the Dunedin sound. Plenty of weird loops and random samples. These guys were inventing indie rock in the most isolated corner of the world. Good stuff. 

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Deep Wound were, along with Siege and the Neos, pretty influential in the speed-stakes of the early '80s. Weird considering Dinosaur (Jr.) came after them.

God I love Bulldozer. All Big Black, really. And I'm happy that Albini grew up from his button-pushing days and admitted it.

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On 4/30/2024 at 4:34 PM, Death From Above said:

The Proclaimers have 12 albums and have said they made more off that song (which, honestly, is one of the best songs of all time) than off of the rest of their catalogue put together.

like bands that make more off of one Metallica cover than everything else combined

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