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Bray might be the smartest man on the roster.

How much are he and Alexa getting paid? How much merch are they moving? How hard are they actually working for that cash? How many bumps did he take in that match? Three?

Bray Wyatt is the ultimate wrestling carny. He's the Matt Cassel of pro wrestling. Good for him. I hope he take Vince to the cleaners for another decade like Kane did.

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Caught the Riddle/Lashley YT highlights -- didn't watch the show. Really nice dominant finish (and performance generally) for Lashley there. Riddle ridiculously athletic too. Wouldn't be too surprised if they cycle round to Lashley/Reigns somehow while both have the belts.

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6 minutes ago, For Great Justice said:

My first reaction was "Matt Flynn took fewer bumps than Matt Cassel"

*checks Spotrac*

Matt Cassel made 60 million dollars?!

My God. I stand corrected. Let's chalk Flynn up as WCW Lanny Poffo

Matt Cassel is my sporting hero.

Put in 1 season of actual work and got paid for a lifetime to travel the US and learn play books for a living.

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5 minutes ago, A_K said:

Caught the Riddle/Lashley YT highlights -- didn't watch the show. Really nice dominant finish (and performance generally) for Lashley there. Riddle ridiculously athletic too. Wouldn't be too surprised if they cycle round to Lashley/Reigns somehow while both have the belts.

Survivor Series.

Get a Hurt Business v Usos brawl to take them all out. Roman takes out Lashley with a Spear and then puts a beating on him.

MITB winner, The Miz, cashes in to win the title and bring the story full circle. Miz can drop the title to Keith Lee or Damian Priest at the Rumble.

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I still don't understand the Bray Wyatt hate. I'd rather watch him work to a character than watch Adam Cole pretend to be HBK for 45 minutes...

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2 hours ago, L_W_P said:

Bray might be the smartest man on the roster.

How much are he and Alexa getting paid? How much merch are they moving? How hard are they actually working for that cash? How many bumps did he take in that match? Three?

Bray Wyatt is the ultimate wrestling carny. He's the Matt Cassel of pro wrestling. Good for him. I hope he take Vince to the cleaners for another decade like Kane did.

As dumb as I find all of this to be, I'm really happy for Alexa. Being attached to this act and having very little physicality to endure must be great for her long-term health.

17 minutes ago, just drew said:

I still don't understand the Bray Wyatt hate. I'd rather watch him work to a character than watch Adam Cole pretend to be HBK for 45 minutes...

Yeah. I find the gimmick to be silly trash, but count me among those who've always had a high-tolerance for Bray's actual wrestling.

Of course if they're going to keep trying to make the red lighting during the matches a thing, I'm not going to want to see any of it. 

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11 hours ago, StuntmanCrowley said:

As one of the seemingly few Bray Wyatt fans on here, he really should ask for his release.  They've butchered everything he's gotten over and any idea he has is neutered.  He deserves so much better than this epic shitshow.

Honestly, it kills me that The Fiend went from someone that had to have his first match stopped so that Seth Rollins wouldn't literally murder him on live television to a guy that eats one RKO and loses in about six minutes.

I honestly don't know what they can have him do or where he goes from here.

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15 hours ago, StuntmanCrowley said:

As one of the seemingly few Bray Wyatt fans on here, he really should ask for his release.  They've butchered everything he's gotten over and any idea he has is neutered.  He deserves so much better than this epic shitshow.

 

15 hours ago, just drew said:

I said this in the Mania thread and it’s absolutely true. Asuka too.

 

4 hours ago, Gonzo said:

Honestly, it kills me that The Fiend went from someone that had to have his first match stopped so that Seth Rollins wouldn't literally murder him on live television to a guy that eats one RKO and loses in about six minutes.

I honestly don't know what they can have him do or where he goes from here.

Fellow Bray Wyatt fan. Bray Wyatt as the Fiend was truly neutered losing his first match back after getting burned alive and falling to one RKO at WrestleMania XXXVII. Bray must be pissed at that. More often than not, Bray loses the big one.

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13 hours ago, just drew said:

I still don't understand the Bray Wyatt hate. I'd rather watch him work to a character than watch Adam Cole pretend to be HBK for 45 minutes...

I, too, would rather have leprosy than ebola

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On 4/13/2021 at 12:44 PM, Greggulator said:

Money promo from Charlotte. That had a fantastic motivation for her appearance and later actions. It was nowhere on the same page as The Rock’s legendary promo in Toronto (maybe my favorite promo of all-time), but it was very strong in informing the audience of why she returned in this form, made excuses for not being on WrestleMania, references the smark criticisms of her “stealing opportunities” and announced she was the best, and then attacked when her rivals were spent from their match and vulnerable. Perfect heeling.

I will never understand at all why people hate on Charlotte. She rules so incredibly much. I like to compare the Horsewomen to the Novak/Federer/Nadal tennis rivalry in that all four have a great claim to make as the GOAT. 

1) Sasha has the throne right now. She was the second best performer of the FY 2021 (WrestleMania to WrestleMania) after Roman. She and Bayley carried the promotion during the pandemic, which threw off everything. Then she ended her year in the best match of WM weekend with Bianca Belair — gifted, but still relatively green and in her first big match in front of one of the biggest crowds post-COVID in any form of entertainment. 

2) Charlotte is my number two. She has had as many classic matches as anyone on the entire roster since she arrived. I think she’s had a lot of really iconic moments — jumping off the table with her crazy reckless dive before getting wrapped in the Banks Statement between the railing in the classic Last Man Standing against Sasha against Raw, kicking through a car window when brawling with Becky and Rousey, etc. She is an athletic marvel and has become a fantastic heel promo. She co-headlined WrestleMania. Her only downside is that she’s a pretty bad face. 

3) Bayley. She is the least athletic of the four but the best at performing as her character. She was the best babyface of her generation on NXT and was a great anchor as a face in the big roster for a long time. She eventually found her voice as a heel and has been lights out. There is no way anyone would have thought that she would be this great as a villain but it makes sense since she is just so incredibly gifted at understanding storytelling.

4) Becky Lynch. Becky was the biggest star since Daniel Bryan for a stretch and somehow is my fourth. She went from being a sort of afterthought of the four who had really good matches that established others as stars (Alexa Bliss) who was an overlooked good promo to finding her truth as a defiant badass. Her best moment was standing tall after having her face (!) broken at the end of that Raw she hijacked was one of the best moments ever in wrestling history — up there with Bryan on top of the cage during The Yes Movement!, Foley winning the title, 1-2-3 Kid beating Razor and so many things I am forgetting. The only reason she is fourth on my list is because she sat out to have a kid and that she didn’t get as strong a push as the other three did, which was not her fault. But when she finally did get that push, she became the biggest star in wrestling — and as over as anyone ever — who was the face of a historic WrestleMania main event. 

We really have been blessed to have these four and see them take the worst part of wrestling (the ridiculously dumb Divas) to possibly the best part of the show. And that is also not even counting the fantastic Asuka (maybe this should be a Top 5, it she is a clear fifth) and Alexa (not a great wrestler but as good as anyone at playing a character) and Shayna and the criminally underused Riot Squad and The Iiconics (best temper tantrums ever) and Nikki Cross, with Bianca and Rhea and everyone on NXT in the wings. 

Great post. I thought about asking how people would rank the Four Horsewomen. Here's mine:

1. Sasha Banks. Only option for my top spot. Best women's wrestler on the roster and one of the best wrestlers overall there. Part of most women's best ever matches. Says a lot that.

2. Bayley. Loveable babyface who then made it as a heel. Never thought she's have both in her. Woefully misused at WrestleMania XXXVII.

3. Becky Lynch. The Man. Lynch attacking Charlotte Flair after her triple threat match also involving Carmel at SummerSlam 2018 still makes me smile, crowd was molten for Lynch and despite WWE efforts, people wouldn't boo her.

4. Charlotte Flair. Overpushed and has won matches she clearly should've lost. Crap as a face, natural heel. Hated what she did to a clearly out on her feet concussed Kairi Sane at TLC 2019. Stock has dropped with me. Before she was probably as high as #2.

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I haven't watched but hearing the Graves and Saxton are back again together at RAW REALLY turns the product off for me.   Graves really going make it about himself when he knows he can bully around Saxton for an entire show.  And Saxton loves being a punching bag apparently 

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1 hour ago, Craig H said:

If it makes you feel any better, Graves wasn't overly offensive or grating, but it was also just one show.

Charlotte had that down pat 

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