KriskitaKoloff Posted October 27 Posted October 27 7 minutes ago, Shartnado said: Mone has brought Kamille and that's plenty. Needed more awful matches?
Shartnado Posted October 27 Posted October 27 (edited) 4 hours ago, KriskitaKoloff said: Needed more awful matches? No, just more Kamille. Certainly not the Aminata one, that was unfortunate, especially after what they were able to pull off with Mone. But as an indimitating presence outside, doing the big boots like Diesel-era Nash, she adds a lot to Mone's presentation. I wait for the time they (Mone and Kamille) eventually have a tag match just to see if AEW has the balls to call their tag team "The Brick Shit-House"? Edited October 27 by Shartnado Truth be told...
Steventon Posted October 27 Posted October 27 (edited) 9 hours ago, SovietShooter said: This all built up to the Blood & Guts match, which the Elite lost after Darby blasted Perry with a chair while he was handcuffed to the cage. Could be wrong, but that was the sole victory AEW got over the Elite, and Perry still beat Darby in the title match it lead to… The Elite 2.0 run cemented Perry as a player, no one else really got a rub from it Edited October 27 by Steventon
Steventon Posted October 27 Posted October 27 9 hours ago, SovietShooter said: This all built up to the Blood & Guts match, which the Elite lost after Darby blasted Perry with a chair while he was handcuffed to the cage. Could be wrong, but that was the sole victory AEW got over the Elite, and Perry still beat Darby in the title match it lead to… The Elite 2.0 run cemented Perry as a player, no one else really got a run from it
Shartnado Posted October 27 Posted October 27 1 hour ago, Steventon said: Could be wrong, but that was the sole victory AEW got over the Elite, and Perry still beat Darby in the title match it lead to… The Elite 2.0 run cemented Perry as a player, no one else really got a rub from it There was a very early trios victory of PAC and a tag team (FTR?) vs Bucks and Okada wherein PAC pinned a Buck in a go home show prior to a PPV where PAC then lost to Okada and the tag team to Bucks, but this was even before Perry joined the crew and way way before Blood and Guts. It's very much factual to say that only Jack Perry has benefited from this whole angle.
HarryArchieGus Posted October 27 Posted October 27 16 hours ago, Shartnado said: Ok, Harley Cameron is totally awesome and deserves way more than she's getting at the moment! That was something else. Well, there's Thunder Rosa in her future. Hey, Leyla Grey gets to wrestle for once! The 3-way tag match was action packed and Toa seems to be getting into a pretty awesome shape! Beef vs Frank was physical. JD joining Beef at ring side could lead to a pretty hefty new team. This deal with Frank Mortos has to lead to a trios match with Undisputed Kingdom and LFI, once Roddy's crew realizes that they can't govern the Beast. Ricochet vs Nick Wayne was exciting and as the match progressed, they seemed to gel surprisingly well. The double underhook canadian destroyer was absolutely beautiful. Match with Leo Rush should be pretty spectacular. The match with Takeshita will be a different animal altogether, but Ricochet has plenty of experience of facing guys that size, so I'm sure it will turn out fine. Oh man, I loved this show. The Bennett/Taven v Gates v Lee/Taylor opener was pretty tight. I agree with Shart's comments above especially in regards to Toa. Even if he did fuck the Hip attack. I'd love to see underrated Matt/Mike string together some victories. Roddy's been pretty bad and distracting on commentary, but he was really good here. Renee had some wacky assignments. The Beef promo might've benefitted from a second take. This week's Kingdom/Mortos promo was tighter/funnier. And then Harley Cameron with her regular insanity/hilarity. I expect the audience at large catches on soon. Anna Jay v Leila Grey was an excellent showcase. Leila Grey's game is tight and Anna continues to look good. I hope this leads to more Leila Grey TV matches. Mortos v Beef was good. I bet if they ran this back it'd be even better. JD Drake's character work here was a bit confusing. Is he with Beef? Is he confused? He lets LFI run wild on Beef and then get his ass handed to him for being a moron. I do like a Beef/JD Drake combo. Ricochet v Nick Wayne was a fun main event. Wayne's clearly following the lessons of his 'father'. He seems committed to slowing it down and telling a story. I thought this was his best match, and another excellent showing from Ricochet. Thoroughly entertaining show and one of the better Rampages. AEDub! 2
JLowe Posted October 27 Posted October 27 4 hours ago, Steventon said: Could be wrong, but that was the sole victory AEW got over the Elite, and Perry still beat Darby in the title match it lead to… The Elite 2.0 run cemented Perry as a player, no one else really got a rub from it Did it though? Crowds are pretty dead for him.
JLowe Posted October 27 Posted October 27 6 hours ago, Fighting a man with a perm said: Lovely limp bizkit reference by Mason Madden to Turbo Floyd, "you think you're special? You do! I can see it in your eyes. Let me see how vascular you are" Harley Cameron must be protected at all costs. She is a treasure! Jesus Christ, that one fan in the front row who had a collection of misogynistic signs and was miming fellatio after Ricochet won. What is wrong with people?? The front row of AEW shows has become rotten over the last few years, just full of the worst people on earth. The wild thing is in Philly for Collision those tickets START at $375, and some are part of VIP packages. But if I were TK, I might review tapes and ban certain people from shows, or at least ringside seats. There’s that dude who always holds Bully Ray signs too. And that one show a few months back where Saraya was openly calling for the cameraman to show someone on the hard camera side who was saying awful things to her (who I think did get ejected). 3
HarryArchieGus Posted October 27 Posted October 27 10 hours ago, KriskitaKoloff said: 100%. AEW was so good up until around 2022, the last 2 years made me stop watching weekly shows and most PPVs because the booking and storylines have become so awful. No fans were begging for a Monday night war back then, they were just having fun and the shows were fun. You dont need to scoop up every ex WWE star to compete like TNA pt 2. I think the CM Punk signing pushed Tk to the extreme and now he thinks its a competition. What have Ricochet, Hurt Business, Mone etc brought to the company? It's just strange how different and unfun the company currently is. They've passed on so many former WWE guys. It's always been clear to me that this company has learned from the previous decade's WWE2TNA issues. If you're speaking to Shelton Benjamin - to each their own. I'm loving what feels to me like a worthy refresh. And further I'm loving MVP on the mic. I understand that nothing on these shows is for everyone. Wait, you stopped watching some itme in 2022? Why complain now about something you don't watch? Somebody oughtta start a #AEWwasbetterin2022 thread for all the enthusiasts. Nostalgia for those 12 months needs to be properly eulogized. For me, AEW 2019 to present has always been hit and miss. It's always required a sense of humour. Love to @DEAN who I feel either taught me this or properly encouraged it. We're talking about Pro Wrestling here. It's never perfect. At some point the smart financial move for AEW was to add more content. The current product has doubled weekly. Needless to say there was always going to be misses. I'm somebody that watches ALWAYS on tape delay with ffwd option. There's no long gaps between segments and I rarely see PiP. I ffwd Acclaimed promos and occasional needless stuff. I also tend to watch early in the morning. I say all this with wonder to how much this routine effects my consistent satisfaction with AEW. 52 weeks is a tough creative schedule in an unpredictable business. There have been misses to be sure. The highlights from the current 10 months feel no less than any year before it. That said, this comment is dependent upon my love of the following performers and their work over this year.... Beast Mortos, Okada, Mariah May, Darby Allin, Ospreay, Willow, Hangman, Christian, heel Jon Moxley/Claudio/Marina/Yuta/Pac/Pickup truck, Kyle Fletcher, Don Callis, Takeshita, Mark Briscoe, Renee Paquette, Nigel McGuiness, Swerve, the Outrunners, Joe, Rush, Lio Rush, (smarter, tighter, veteran version) Ricochet, FTR, Shibata and goddamn Bryan Danielson. The Bryan Danielson and Ospreay matches alone this year were as good as anything the company has ever produced. So too the Mariah-Toni feud and Wembley match, Nigel McGuiness returning in the Casino Guantlet match, Sting/Darby v Bucks, so many undercard PPV matches like Page v Jay White from this past show, the list goes on and on for me. 5
Go2Sleep Posted October 27 Posted October 27 Collision was one of those AEW shows that looks like nothing on paper but ended up being really good. Jay/Shane was a really smartly worked match that strayed from the usual AEW formula. Jay doesn't seem ideally suited to work babyface, but he's skilled enough to pull it off. He bumped early in the match to set up adversity, then gradually wore down the legs of Taylor to believably establish the comeback. Made Jay look smart and crafty and didn't diminish the power of Shane. Quietly a top AEW TV match this year. Outrunners/MXM was on the opposite end of the spectrum as a quality sports entertainment match. MXM is a perfect enhancement team for AEW and the Outrunners are getting better at working the longer matches. Both teams kept the crowd involved the whole way without going too crazy in the ring. Reminded me of early NXT. Lio/Ricochet was another good match where both guys added a good story instead of just hitting their spots. Lio had a chip on his shoulder and Ricochet came across as condescending enough to see why Lio would be annoyed without Ricochet being a true asshole. Ricochet was clearly better but he had to earn it. I do agree his axe bomber isn't the greatest finisher, he should be using that spinning roundhouse he used early in the match which stood out to cap the sequence of "who could out quick the other." Still doesn't negate the work both guys put in here. 1
The Natural Posted October 27 Posted October 27 On 10/26/2024 at 1:12 PM, Gordi the recovering AEW f said: I appreciate you trying to engage in discussion, but at the moment I can not work up any enthusiasm to get into it. My basic take remains unchanged. I loved what AEW used to be. The current form (SESE, or Some Elite Sports Entertainment) is just not for me. More details, spoilered because It's just me repeating myself: Reveal hidden contents I don't wanna keep beating the dead horse of how I wish AEW had stayed weird and goofy and indie. Don't want to endlessly rehash how I believe it's a huge mistake for AEW to have leaned away from respecting the intelligence of their fans and treating us like part of a community. It's killing me that they keep leaning further and further into mainstream corporate presentation while both live and TV numbers keep dropping. I personally have zero nostalgia for the Monday Night Wars era and zero interest in sitting through a nostalgic reimagining of those days. One, and only one specific recent example: That Kyle Fletcher promo left me zero percent more excited for the Fletcher vs Ospreay match. A simple graphic would have had me 100% stoked. I just don't need the guys to pretend like "This time, it's personal!" Adds nothing, from my perspective. Anyway, I think we'll all be happier if I just sit out the next little while while the MWO storyline plays itself out. I don't think I will have anything positive to contribute to the discussion, and I really don't want to piss on the parade of people who are happy and excited about Kyle being good on the stick now, or whatever. To be honest, it was EVIL vs Tana as the first WK match announced for this year that was the straw that broke the back.of the proverbial camel that represents me paying close attention to any big time pro wrestling company for the near future. If what i want from my wrestling is goofy weird indie stuff and a sense of community... Well, that's easy enough to find in my neck.of the woods. I'll likely drop in to do Road Reports on, like, Big Japan shows and Cooger's Year End Party... But otherwise, barring something unforseen, I am gonna take a bit of a break until the New Year. Cheers to all y'all for the enjoyable discussion this year! Agree with you on AEW in 2024 and Hiroshi Tanahashi vs. EVIL at NJPW Wrestle Kingdom 19. Look after yourself, pal. 1
HarryArchieGus Posted October 27 Posted October 27 On 10/26/2024 at 8:12 AM, Gordi the recovering AEW f said: I appreciate you trying to engage in discussion, but at the moment I can not work up any enthusiasm to get into it. My basic take remains unchanged. I loved what AEW used to be. The current form (SESE, or Some Elite Sports Entertainment) is just not for me. More details, spoilered because It's just me repeating myself: Reveal hidden contents I don't wanna keep beating the dead horse of how I wish AEW had stayed weird and goofy and indie. Don't want to endlessly rehash how I believe it's a huge mistake for AEW to have leaned away from respecting the intelligence of their fans and treating us like part of a community. It's killing me that they keep leaning further and further into mainstream corporate presentation while both live and TV numbers keep dropping. I personally have zero nostalgia for the Monday Night Wars era and zero interest in sitting through a nostalgic reimagining of those days. One, and only one specific recent example: That Kyle Fletcher promo left me zero percent more excited for the Fletcher vs Ospreay match. A simple graphic would have had me 100% stoked. I just don't need the guys to pretend like "This time, it's personal!" Adds nothing, from my perspective. Anyway, I think we'll all be happier if I just sit out the next little while while the MWO storyline plays itself out. I don't think I will have anything positive to contribute to the discussion, and I really don't want to piss on the parade of people who are happy and excited about Kyle being good on the stick now, or whatever. To be honest, it was EVIL vs Tana as the first WK match announced for this year that was the straw that broke the back.of the proverbial camel that represents me paying close attention to any big time pro wrestling company for the near future. If what i want from my wrestling is goofy weird indie stuff and a sense of community... Well, that's easy enough to find in my neck.of the woods. I'll likely drop in to do Road Reports on, like, Big Japan shows and Cooger's Year End Party... But otherwise, barring something unforseen, I am gonna take a bit of a break until the New Year. Cheers to all y'all for the enjoyable discussion this year! Why not embrace Tape Delay with Ffwd option? Are expectations for a 52 episodes a year TV program as fair as they ought to be? Gordi, it seems you're putting a lot of weight on stuff you don't like. Ffwd ol chum! Evil v Tanahashi sounds bad, but I've never watched more than half of a WrestleKingdom (I've only seen parts of the last 5). And never Evil or Tanahashi matches. I have much less gripes about the current AEW TV, but there are full matches I've skipped over the past few weeks. I always skip Acclaimed promos. The Stat babyface turn is amongst the worst things they've ever done. Whatever you think is terrible/great about AEW seems like it's evident enough to you that it shouldn't be that hard to make a hell of an edit. Cheers back at ya.
COLETTI Posted October 27 Posted October 27 I usually watch all my AEW on Sunday morning, coffee in hand and the glorious benefit of fast forward. I highly recommend this approach to others who just aren't feeling it anymore. 5
tbarrie Posted October 27 Posted October 27 Like hammerva, I quite enjoyed the Nigel-Yuta interview. Good character work from both men. I also enjoyed Taylor vs White. I may be starting to come around on Jay White having potential to be more than a midcarder. MxM vs the Outrunners was fun, but I still think the Outrunners' gimmick works a lot better when they're total jobbers. Of course, I might conceivably turn around on that too eventually. At least we're presumably going to get heel FTR back out of this FTRunners thing. 2
RazorbladeKiss87 Posted October 27 Posted October 27 7 hours ago, JLowe said: The wild thing is in Philly for Collision those tickets START at $375, and some are part of VIP packages. But if I were TK, I might review tapes and ban certain people from shows, or at least ringside seats. There’s that dude who always holds Bully Ray signs too. And that one show a few months back where Saraya was openly calling for the cameraman to show someone on the hard camera side who was saying awful things to her (who I think did get ejected). There's bad examples in every fan base but it seems like it's getting worse for sure. The idealist punk in me is asking is it worth it to try and be competitive with WWE and attract the gross fans? How big is big enough and when does that become too big? I'd never want them to be complacent but when you're founded as an alternative to WWE, I'd kinda like you to lean into that. 4
JLowe Posted October 28 Posted October 28 5 hours ago, RazorbladeKiss87 said: There's bad examples in every fan base but it seems like it's getting worse for sure. The idealist punk in me is asking is it worth it to try and be competitive with WWE and attract the gross fans? How big is big enough and when does that become too big? I'd never want them to be complacent but when you're founded as an alternative to WWE, I'd kinda like you to lean into that. Yeah, the scene is what we make it and what we allow. It’s why I have had multiple problems with MJF promos as well. When you go to show, they make announcements about acceptable behavior and it includes things like shitty sexist and homophobic speech, much less signs. 6
Shartnado Posted October 28 Posted October 28 Harley Cameron with another amazing performance promo-wise. If she is somehow put together or against Toni Storm, once she returns, the resulting promos should have everyone rolling on the floor pissing themselves with laughter. Speaking of, I was lucky I didn't have water or coffee in my mouth when Mike Bennett showed up in the Frank mask and started fluently speaking Beastish. Lexi casually helping herself to one of Mortos' treats was also amazing. I wouldn't necessarily have touched that, since you can't be sure how The Beast would react to that? White vs Taylor was good hard hitting action and once again showed that if you let your guard down for a split second, White can end it with The Blade Runner. Big win for The Outrunners again and I just love how much air play "The Man Who Made a Monster" gets these days. Hopefully it affects Dance With the Dead's Spotify plays as well! These guys have a fanny pack as mechandise now? Obviously, they would, but that is a fantastic idea! Good to see Penelope again. She's still agile and flexible, but it will take time to shed the ring rust after two years away. Lio vs Ricochet wasn't a classic, but Lio put in a very intense performance. I guess Ricochet needed a finisher that he can land on any opponent regardless of the size, but yeah, that's not great. Still, entertaining stuff. Another Viva Van showcase before a tough loss to Anna Jay. She gets to do a lot any time she's in the ring (not very often). The Mariah May promo afterwards was another really strong effort. I'm not sure that many people would have thought that she'd be this damn strong in all aspects of the game. I certainly didn't. Good to see some kind of promotion for the upcoming Adam Cole vs Buddy Matthews Hoss Fight. Main event was strong, but a bit sloppy here and there, seemed like everyone was definitely not on the same page here. I'll say this though: If The Outrunners DO win the tag titles at some point, I will mark out like when Warrior beat Honky at SS'88 (that's a very, very unfortunate abbreviation, by the way). Very fun show, too bad I have to go to work now. 3
HarryArchieGus Posted October 28 Posted October 28 3 hours ago, Shartnado said: Harley Cameron with another amazing performance promo-wise. If she is somehow put together or against Toni Storm, once she returns, the resulting promos should have everyone rolling on the floor pissing themselves with laughter. Speaking of, I was lucky I didn't have water or coffee in my mouth when Mike Bennett showed up in the Frank mask and started fluently speaking Beastish. Lexi casually helping herself to one of Mortos' treats was also amazing. I wouldn't necessarily have touched that, since you can't be sure how The Beast would react to that? I wasn't a fan of Lexi helping herself to the BEAST's treats. I know it's comedy, but kayfabe that made no sense whatsoever. He's a Beast dammit! This 'Frank' storyline has provided a couple of light chuckles here or there, but not sure it's something that needs to be milked. Still, interested to see what the pay off is. LFI v Roddy/Mike/Matt sounds like a match I'd very much enjoy. Speaking of Lexi, they need to stop having her do those awkward introducing/wrestler walks in. The word cringe is overused these days, but that is the word there. In general, she could learn a thing or two from the likes of Jackie Redmond and Renee on how it's important to make your questions/concerns real/important as opposed to lazily saying something cliched to open her segments. It's a small thing, but an effective thing. Harley rules. Maybe we should start the DVDVR chapter of her fanclub? 4
Shartnado Posted October 28 Posted October 28 16 minutes ago, HarryArchieGus said: Harley rules. Maybe we should start the DVDVR chapter of her fanclub? Yeah, I'm in. Also, while I do find the "Frank" stuff actually very funny and the kind of highbrow humour I obviously enjoy (see my name), it came to me that calling him "Ford" would have been even better, as if his real name was Ford Taurus. 1 2
SovietShooter Posted October 28 Posted October 28 39 minutes ago, Shartnado said: calling him "Ford" would have been even better, as if his real name was Ford Taurus. So, you could always have him being driven around in a Black Taurus from client to client, like the Lincoln Lawyer. 2 1
JLowe Posted October 28 Posted October 28 I did not care for Harley in the QTV role, but Harley as unfiltered weirdo doing her best to make people break is pretty awesome. Just needs more ring time. 7
Technico Support Posted October 28 Posted October 28 (edited) Some goober had a sign that said "I'd rather be in Chyna, but I'll take Mercedes." These incels don't realize that telling a hot woman that you'd deign to give them your mushroom dick for 30 seconds is not the compliment you think it is. Another had a sign that said "Anna Jay has NOT improved." Anna blew him a kiss on the way to the ring. Nice. Some goof was chanting "Rufio" at VIva Van. What the fuck is wrong with these people? One funthing, just for me anyway...apparently, before the match, Lio Rush tweeted something like "Only Kings Understand Each Other" to hype his match with Ricochet. I know that was the name of a PWG show a few years back so I looked it up and yep...Lio was throwing out an Easter egg, as that's where they first wrestled each other in 2017. Edited October 28 by Technico Support 4 1
Just Adam Bay Bay Posted October 28 Posted October 28 5 hours ago, Technico Support said: Some goober had a sign that said "I'd rather be in Chyna, but I'll take Mercedes." These incels don't realize that telling a hot woman that you'd deign to give them your mushroom dick for 30 seconds is not the compliment you think it is. Another had a sign that said "Anna Jay has NOT improved." Anna blew him a kiss on the way to the ring. Nice. Some goof was chanting "Rufio" at VIva Van. What the fuck is wrong with these people? One funthing, just for me anyway...apparently, before the match, Lio Rush tweeted something like "Only Kings Understand Each Other" to hype his match with Ricochet. I know that was the name of a PWG show a few years back so I looked it up and yep...Lio was throwing out an Easter egg, as that's where they first wrestled each other in 2017. Plus to piggyback off the Mercedes sign comment (I get it’s referencing DX from almost 30 years ago), but it’s nice to see the creep wants necrophilia but he’ll settle for a real woman instead. God what is wrong with these morons? 1 4
HarryArchieGus Posted October 28 Posted October 28 The Jay White v Shane Taylor opener was on point. Good showcase for the Switchblade. Big Shane could be a top level player if he learned how to present himself. The loose shorts Were a good start. In ring, he could be a killer. Post match Jay promo was fine, but he sounds like a sleazy heel. Ricochet/Lio Rush promo proved both these guys would benefit from MVP. I thought Kyle Fletcher looked good with his shaved head. This guy's on his way. I ffwd Ford v Robyn after the botched handspring elbow. I hope the Hayter match goes well, but getting Penelope some reps on ROH wouldn't be a bad strategy. Her flippy handspring elbow was never a strength in her game. It'd benefit her to drop it. Curious FTRunners promo. Hilarious fail recovery. I kinda hope this leads to Dax/Cash embracing the darkside again. Outrunners v MxM wasn't great, but I wasn't not entertained. I continue to dig Turbo/Truth, but I back AEW's play of working them up the ladder. There's room to tighten up the In ring act. MxM continue to impress me. The Nigel/Yuta sitdown was fantastic. Wheeler was delightfully hammy and Nigel was a stone cold killer. I really hope this leads to something with Nige? The Jake Roberts/LFI promo wasn't as strong as the narrated video package last week. Having the ability to edit the Snake is key to their success. These guys together don't exactly read good chemistry, but I like the try. I loved Ricochet v LIo Rush. Two flyers telling a nice little story and putting on a teacher's clinic. I hope they run this back and go a little more balls out each time. I sense ppl are coming around on veteran version Ric. Everything he does is so crisp. The Harley Cameron/Thunder Rosa segment was odd and wonderful all thanks to Cameron's emerging star. It's great to see ppl starting to notice how fucking awesome she is. I ffwdd the Anna Jay v Viva Van match. I'm glad Jay is getting reps. The Mariah May promo was vicious and delicious. A short sweet highlight. The Cole v Buddy video was good. I really like seeing AEW bring some awareness to promoting future matches/events/appearances. The OC picture previewing his appearance on Wednesday was effective. So to the opening recap video. This is all a good indication that this company is committed to bettering their overall results. The KOR promo was fine. I like that more ppl get mic time on Collision, but the show would benefit from featuring some of the top stars (not appearing in ring) cutting promos. Live would be great, but taped is fine too. LFI v FTR was excellent. That Crucifix Bomb by Dralistico was unreal. More Rush and Dax pounding pleasure. Nicely built battle. I assume we all loved seeing Jake sneak a punch in. The post match attack promises me more, and I'm truly thrilled. The Outrunners save suggests LFI could use a fourth. the Saturday Night B Show has found it's grooove lately. AEDubya! 1
The Green Meanie Posted October 29 Posted October 29 That Yuta interview was brilliant. They dropped subtle hints showing that he's not fully vested in this, and that he had to do it for different reasons. It definitely added something to the angle. 3
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