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That's fair. I think I was just kinda shocked because of how well received the angle was pretty much everywhere else online.

Tony's involvement or increased involvement in this is going to be based on the ratings. If they can get momentum in terms of ratings and fan interest without Tony they will probably not use them. But if this starts to die I have to think they will go back to the tired old wrestling well and use more Tony. Or even worse a worse "authority figure" While I am sure people will say that showing the Punk All In Footage was only used to build the match against FTR, it was obviously done as a rating ploy and a look at me Louie moment. There is a reason it was announced within an hour of the Night 1 WM main event. It worked once. Hell maybe it will work again. Again my biggest issues is that it is another company who thinks they can do the authority figure angle better than the WWE and almost always does the same shit. And the reality is that except for Austin the authority figure angle in WWE sucked. To the people who say "people are just being negative because it is AEW", I don't have any issue with the show before it. Thought the show before was really good.

I would enjoy the ridiculousness of a "Fonzie vs Todd Gordon" type of angle.

I mean, that’s probably fair. I tried to talk about stuff I liked, too. Also, the stuff I hate actually sucks, whereas everyone else is wrong.

Not exactly the same thing, but seeing this reminded me that there used to be a clause in the MLB draft rules that allowed independent minor league teams to participate in the draft starting in the 4th round.

Honestly, a gut punch is a great finisher

pre-Bucks heel turn this was literally you, every show thread, bitching about how Adam Cole or the Bucks or whoever and what they’re involved in. Now you’re in the position we were in, and you’re seeing people being negative and don’t like it because you’re enjoying it. God forbid some of us who have been super positive, to the point that other people here mock it, about AEW for five years now are starting to see some flaws. Swerve will be fine, yeah, but this is the equivalent of Cody winning the title at WrestleMania and then the next night he wrestles a 20 minute match and a segment for his next challenger is announced for next week. And then in the main event segment, the Bloodline beat up Adam Pearce or something. WWE fans would rage that the focus isn’t on your new World champion who just spent a year (two actually) chasing that title.

Jack punching Kenny in the gut to nuclear heat in Winnipeg, please.

I. INVOKE. @Gordi the former AEW fan and @Jiji

It’s too bad that Copeland is stuck with Black still. The first match, to me, seems to new Elite vs Cope/FTR and someone else.

Holy shit. You accidentally found the greatest outcome of this or any booking I’ve ever heard. Tony Khan as Nick Furry.

Yoooo I just realized that Tony wearing the brace to the draft and the NFL and ESPN being in on the gag would be fucking amazing. Imagine them kayfabing the shit out of it and Mel Kiper is talking about the projectability of the young kid Perry. Quick off the edge, real lunch pail kind of guy but has some off the field issues that have scared some federations away. Oh shit even better if they do it Naked Gun style where TK himself gets up there in full neck brace to announce some random 6th round pick on day 3 and the Bucks jump his ass AGAIN and put him through a table while there’s like mascots and shit freaking out on stage.

Wait, are the Jags an NFL team? I figured since I'd never heard of them outside of AEW references they were probably in some regional league or something.

At first glance it's fucking amazing but it lost the point of the article once they said it was an angle and he was protected. I mean yeah kayfabe's done for and all but they could have at least tried to go along with it since he'll likely be shown in a neckbrace for draft night. As for the show itself I liked it. The matches were fun and the gauntlet was a blast because once Ospreay came in I was like "I want these two to have a singles match!" "No, wait, I want THESE two to have a singles match!" and so on. No matter their placement in the company Will has an embarrassment of riches when it comes to opponents so I'm hoping if/when he wins the title we'll see defenses against some quality opponents. And the ending angle is fine and with Kenny back next week they have a plan that they're looking to quickly follow up on. I don't like evil authority angles either but willing to see how this plays out. Also, Adam Cole still has a long way to go in his recovery. He was carefully going down the steps on the ramp so while I like seeing him out there who knows when he's back wrestling.

Man, there's some bad faith shit happening in this thread. That fucking ruled. In fact, this whole show ruled. Other than the completely uninteresting Best Friends stuff. Swerve looked great. They should've let him talk but iiwii. He will. Prince Nana always kicks ass. I thought it was cool how many women they got on the show. I hadn't seen Mina Shirakawa before but that was awesome. I dug that whole thing. Ospreay is so dynamic he made Kyle O'Reilly interesting. Lance Archer deserves more credit. That Gauntlet match didn't make a lick of sense, but it ruled ass. I dug every bit of it. Switchblade looked good, too. I hope this starts his character rehab. UK feels like such an afterthought since Ospreay and Okada showed up. Get Wardlow away from those dorks and salvage what still can be. I'm thinking Big Bill joining Jericho is a bad sign for Ricky Starks' AEW future. That's a shame. His ceiling at the other company is "fun nxt talent." I hope Hobbs is okay. Mox is the man. I don't care what any of y'all say. That main event segment was awesome and everything pro wrestling should be. I'm convinced some people are going to just always have something negative to say about AEW. This door was opened when TK played the All In footage, which he was right to do, and making this issue part of the show is no different than a million other times backstage issues have been made into wrestling angles. I despise the Young Bucks, but they're knocking this role out of the park. Okada fucking rules. He looks like he's having the best time.

Kinda annoyed that to take a hiatus from Rebirth, I start looking for Turn based RPG's, but due to a sale, pickup FF16 and give that a shot, and end up loving it so far.

Do you want Entertainolgy? Because this is how you get Entertainolgy.

Yeah I mean I’m not arguing the fact that owner getting beat up isn’t a classic trope or anything, but I don’t think this is going to lead to TK being on TV any more than he ever was. We aren’t going to get TV vignettes of him building a team or something. It’s not too hard to imagine FTR coming out to cut a promo and bigging him up and they’re proxies for him or whatever. Or Omega implores the babyface locker room to not take this shit lying down before he gets beat up/kicked out. Multiple ways they can go and none involve TK being an on screen character. I think if anyone is immediately jumping to “Tony Khan is going to be an on-air character now/will be a heel/whatever” then you’re letting decades of WWE trauma slip in. Again, I hate the angle, mainly cuz of the Bucks and Perry and the lack of focus last night on Swerve’s big moment on Sunday, but I don’t think this is veering towards how WWE or whoever in the past would do it. TK is not built to walk tall, and if he had any interest in being an on-air character past what he’s done thus far it would have happened already I’d imagine.

Ava should draft Dwayne, be told he's not available, and then stare into the distance and mutter "... no, he never is. " And then everything continues as expected.

I think it’s sort of all true The babyface owner/matchmaker getting beat up by heels is a trope as old as pro wrestling itself: Watts did it, Jarrett did it, Von Erich did it, Vince did it… Said babyface then gathers all the top good guys and walks tall over the heels in the big blowoff. So in that sense this doesn’t make TK Jacksonville Dixie or whatever. This is the usual TK deal of revisiting classic territory angles. That’s generally perfectly ok. My thing though, is that I don’t want to see Tony Khan walking tall like Bill Watts. Actually I don’t think anyone wants to see that.

I hate the angle as much as the next guy, but whoever is saying it’s a great way to write TK off TV is dumb as fuck because I can count on one hand the amount of times he’s been on screen in a meaningful way over the past 5 years. I also don’t think, and haven’t seen anyone seriously suggest it, that they’re going to bring him back as a heel authority figure. All of that was done just to get heat on the New Elite, and “put them in charge”, until they’re dispatched of eventually by a group of people. Next week will feed more into this “get as much heel heat as possible onto them” scenario, with either beating down or kicking Omega out of the building or whatever in his hometown. Shad Khan isn’t going to look at that angle and say shit. You think he’s out here reading Reddit comments and the Observer or something? This company is valued at $2b 5 years into its life, the fuck does he care about if us nerds don’t like that his son got tombstoned by a shitty heel tag team?

Did y’all see that selling? Shad Khan gets pro wrestling more than Jungle Boy does. This was all stupid though. The show reeked of TK having his eye off the ball being stressed to hell all week about which Big Ten offensive lineman to take in the fifth round, then just showed up to work and said “fine, let’s do that” to all of the talent’s shitty ideas.

I loved the final angle, not the execution itself but the idea. The best thing was that Okada was there, doing nothing but being the one with the greatest presence in the whole segment. Nice touch that Mr. Khan was out there. We'll see if it's a smart move or not, they need to start with this angle on Collision, they'll probably have their biggest lead-in of all time from the NBA playoff game.

The biggest thing wrong with pro wrestling is that everyone is happy that they “let Chuck say shit” instead of being moved that he was so upset that they couldn’t stop him from doing it.

Mina/Anna Jay was pretty good. No-nonsense Deeb targeting Storm makes perfect sense and should be great. Enjoyed the Willow/Mone exchange.