Reed Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Thought this would be an interesting idea. What are your controversial TV/movie opinions? -Shelley Duvall is the real star of The Shining and it's arguably Nicholson's cartoonishness that drags the whole thing down a bit. -Lost in Translation is an awful film saved only by Bill Murray's fine work. -Madds Mikkelson is a better Hannibal Lecter than Hopkins was. -Dark City is way better than The Matrix -Claire Danes and Meryl Streep frequently over-act to the point it's distracting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T. Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 -Shelley Duvall is the real star of The Shining and it's arguably Nicholson's cartoonishness that drags the whole thing down a bit. Most readers of King don't find this to be terribly controversial or even wrong. Nicholson is a wonderful actor but he's horribly miscast in the movie. The whole point of Jack Torrence's character in The Shining is that his physical transformation is representative of his degraded mental state as a result of being seduced by the dark forces in the Overlook Hotel. Jack Nicholson as a person already looks crazy so there is no surprise when his character goes off the deep end.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed Posted September 17, 2014 Author Share Posted September 17, 2014 It's not so much that he looks crazy from the start, although he does, I just think by the end of the movie he clearly got too carried away with himself. He was good for the first half, then just went all out for the second and it kind of taints it a little. A guy chasing his terrified wife around an empty hotel should not be funny, but that's exactly what it comes off as. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPA Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 I am pretty sure there was a similiar thread on the previous board... it went about as well as expected -Lost in Translation is an awful film You could have stopped right there 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 I've been watching movies from the 80s recently, and in terms of Scorsese movies, I enjoyed The King of Comedy more than Raging Bull. Maybe it because Rupert Pupkin is more relatable than Jake LaMotta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spritenaut 32 Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 I am pretty sure there was a similiar thread on the previous board... it went about as well as expected No page 2, then? Pity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Cincinnati Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Aside from a brief slump early in season three, Lost was great from beginning to end. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T. Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 It's not so much that he looks crazy from the start, although he does, I just think by the end of the movie he clearly got too carried away with himself. Jack looking crazy from the start telegraphs everything. The tension is rescued and sustained by Stanley Kubrick's cinematography and sound engineering being absolutely brilliant. The scenes of Danny riding his Big Wheel all over the place are important. The echo in the halls from his pedals and the moving shots taken from a child's perpective just drive home how huge and isolated the Overlook Hotel really is. If bad shit happens, no one will be coming in a hurry to make the save.. Here are some of my opinions that other people hate: - Jonah Hill deserved his Oscar nom for Moneyball. - Malcolm X should have been nominated for an Oscar for Best Film and it should have won.. - Inception is a good movie but it is Nolan's worst film. Memento and The Prestige are far better and Insomnia does not get the love it deserves. Following is great because Nolan does so much more with so much less. - Tom Hardy is probably the best actor of his generation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingus Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 We could see how it goes. And why bother harping on the poor miscast Shining when, if you want to knock down celebrated-yet-controversial Kubrick films, you've got A Clockwork Orange's overrated ass sitting right there. The movie's basically making the argument that you're supposed to LIKE Alex and feel bad for him when those big meanie government people stop him from raping and killing. WHAT?! Fact: Dario Argento < Lucio Fulci. Oh yeah, I went there. (And Mario Bava's better than both of 'em, but that's beside the point.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 I've been watching movies from the 80s recently, and in terms of Scorsese movies, I enjoyed The King of Comedy more than Raging Bull. Maybe it because Rupert Pupkin is more relatable than Jake LaMotta. I laughed harder at the kidnapping in The King of Comedy than any of the stuff in The Wolf of the Wall Street combined. If Martin Scorsese remade that movie now, he would just cast some hot blonde in the Sandra Bernhard role. The whole premise of the movie wouldn't work because Pupkin is suppose to be this delusional, antisocial loser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raziel Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Thought this would be an interesting idea. What are your controversial TV/movie opinions? -Shelley Duvall is the real star of The Shining and it's arguably Nicholson's cartoonishness that drags the whole thing down a bit. -Lost in Translation is an awful film saved only by Bill Murray's fine work. -Madds Mikkelson is a better Hannibal Lecter than Hopkins was. -Dark City is way better than The Matrix -Claire Danes and Meryl Streep frequently over-act to the point it's distracting. I don't see anything wrong with anything in this, except like Rippa said, Murray doesn't even save Lost in Translation from being blah. But the only reason Sofia Coppola has work is because of who her dad is. I couldn't finish Brokeback Mountain. Because it was boring as hell and I have yet to stay awake through it. Then again, there are only 2 Ang Lee movies that don't bore me to tears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Austin Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Which two are those? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed Posted September 17, 2014 Author Share Posted September 17, 2014 Sofia Coppola has talent, I think, but a lot of her stuff tends to be, you know, first world problems and whatnot. There's nothing wrong with that necessarily, and I know not every film/TV show has to be The Wire or Hotel Rwanda, but watching her movies I get a sense of a woman who doesn't really know much of the world and has been isolated so just writes what she knows. I know Scarlett's character in Lost in Translation is meant to be this deep thinker and sympathetic character but she comes off so snobby and pretentious I felt truly bad for her husband and the actress she was mean to. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T. Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 We could see how it goes. And why bother harping on the poor miscast Shining when, if you want to knock down celebrated-yet-controversial Kubrick films, you've got A Clockwork Orange's overrated ass sitting right there. The movie's basically making the argument that you're supposed to LIKE Alex and feel bad for him when those big meanie government people stop him from raping and killing. WHAT?! In a world covered in shit, the man closest to the garden hose is king. You see the same thing going on today with the character of Walter White in Breaking Bad. In the case of A Clockwork Orange, you have to appreciate the brilliance of Kubrick for turning someone like Alex into a sympathetic character that you pull for in spite of yourself. Kubrick wrote the book on how to create an effective anti-hero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Thought this would be an interesting idea. What are your controversial TV/movie opinions? -Shelley Duvall is the real star of The Shining and it's arguably Nicholson's cartoonishness that drags the whole thing down a bit. -Lost in Translation is an awful film saved only by Bill Murray's fine work. -Madds Mikkelson is a better Hannibal Lecter than Hopkins was. -Dark City is way better than The Matrix -Claire Danes and Meryl Streep frequently over-act to the point it's distracting. I couldn't finish Brokeback Mountain. Because it was boring as hell and I have yet to stay awake through it. Then again, there are only 2 Ang Lee movies that don't bore me to tears. I saw Ride with the Devil a couple of weeks ago. It is not so much a bad movie (it is very long though) as it is extremely odd that Ang Lee made a Lost Cause movie. There was someone at Universal Pictures who said, "You know what? The OTHER side of the Lawrence Massacre hasn't been told yet." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed Posted September 17, 2014 Author Share Posted September 17, 2014 Also: Sleepy Hollow is one of the Burton's best movies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T. Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Also: Sleepy Hollow is one of the Burton's best movies. This is not controversial. This is a fact. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bustronaut Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 The first wave of "film school" directors (Scorsese, Coppalla, etc.) were trying too hard to seem "hip" and mainly made their films too gritty and realistic to be enjoyable. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgundy LaRue Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 - Malcom X should have been nominated for an Oscar for Best Film and it should have won. Denzel should have three Oscars. The competition that year was murderers' row, but he was straight-up robbed IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.T. Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 - Malcom X should have been nominated for an Oscar for Best Film and it should have won. Denzel should have three Oscars. The competition that year was murderers' row, but he was straight-up robbed IMO. Spike got robbed and so did Al Freeman Jr. The ultimate loser for the Best Director Oscar was Robert Altman. He should have won for The Player. The 1993 Oscars were a fucking travesty. So many bad calls due to shitty politics. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed Posted September 17, 2014 Author Share Posted September 17, 2014 Courtney Love is actually a really great actress. People just forget of all the drugs and her being batshit insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 The first wave of "film school" directors (Scorsese, Coppalla, etc.) were trying too hard to seem "hip" and mainly made their films too gritty and realistic to be enjoyable. You say that and then Scorsese remakes Cape Fear, which is too silly to be realistic. - Malcom X should have been nominated for an Oscar for Best Film and it should have won. Denzel should have three Oscars. The competition that year was murderers' row, but he was straight-up robbed IMO. Holy shit. I watched Cry Freedom the other night. When did this motherfucker stop acting? It's stuff like Allen Hughes' story about him pacing around on the set of The Book of Eli shouting "THIRTY-EIGHT! THIRTY-EIGHT!" at people that makes me think he is feeling himself way too much to be someone other than Denzel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bustronaut Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 By the '90s they'd all mellowed considerably. Heck, THE AVIATOR is one of my favorite movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 By the '90s they'd all mellowed considerably. Heck, THE AVIATOR is one of my favorite movies. The 90s however was like the apex for Scorsese though with Goodfellas and Casino. You couldn't make movies more violent than that because we've seen close to everything now. I'm just saying that when Scorsese did a non organized crime movie without a good script, it exposed all his weaknesses as a director. Plus, he failed to reel in DeNiro from being awful. He made his Al Capone in The Untouchables look meek in comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death From Above Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 In this thread people will make LOUD NOISES on the internet. I'm out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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