SovietShooter Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Believe ain't too bad. It is kind of a cross between Heroes, and Touch. Good concept for a show, but they haven't really had a hook that makes it must-see yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 One day, I will learn not to get so attached to TV characters. Fucking Sopranos. How far along are you? Finished it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antacular Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 Did you or did you not stop believing? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 Crisis struck me as a good idea for a movie or mini series, but yeah, no clue how you stretch it out to seven years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 Did you or did you not stop believing?I actually didn't mind the end. Perhaps because I already knew it was coming. Tony killing Chris is what destroyed me. Christ that hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antacular Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 Yeah, when that aired it was a huge WTF moment. But considering his previous addictions, and how he was starting to get sloppy, in hindsight you kind of saw it coming. The impact is on account of how it plays out, not being a normal hit or anything. But the final scene. Given you now saw the previous episodes that more or less spell out what happened, what's "your interpretation?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 Anyone see any promos for this Turn show on AMC tonight? Revolutionary War spy ring with AMC production values sounds like my sort of thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Lucia Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 Yeah, it sounds right up my alley, just like The Americans did when I first saw promos for that. Expectations are high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 Maybe I'm just an eternal optimist, but I'm gonna always some it was just Meadow walking through the door, nothing else. And Tony eventually got convicted of 8 billion RICO act crimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 IMO, you read post-finale interviews with Chase and it's pretty obvious Tony got shot. I mean, he does everything but say "Tony got shot!" Not sure why else he would be at pains to point out the scene in Stage 5 where Silvio gets caught up in a shooting before he even has a clue what's happening or the Bobby/Tony talk in Sopranos Home Movies. The whole point of the coma dream was: Tony, change your ways now or you're going to die. He didn't, so now he's dead. Saying it's a "life goes on" ending seems to ignore that season 6 was built specifically around the consequences of not redeeming yourself (We also saw it with Chris, Vito and Phil, who flirted with changing, couldn't, and ended up dead.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antacular Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 REALLY Fowler? Even after the specific flashback to Tony and Bobby on the boat, speculating about how "it just goes blank," you're gonna pull the stayin' alive card? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 I guess the "eternal optimist" joke was too subtle. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antacular Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 You're a naturally cheery fellow, just had to double check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 I always liked the idea that Paulie conspired with New York to do it. First of all, it makes sense: Paulie's whole behavior on the boat was "Oh, fuck, this guy is going to kill me!" and even if Tony changed his mind about killing him, I doubt Paulie wanted to wait for the day he might change it back. I also like the irony of frigging Paulie being the last man standing when all is said and done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antacular Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 It definitely had to be the NY crew, but I just can't picture Paulie being involved. Something doesn't sit right with that, can't put my finger on it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 Butchie picking Bobby over Paulie to get hit might be the real giveaway, but the scissors thing is so odd I think it has to be a subtle clue. My guess: Butchie and Paulie made a deal: they'd get rid of their bosses, then be left with whatever was left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 Somebody already posted a whole essay devoted to explaining why Tony was killed at the end, with Chase explaining it, so that's a wrap on that one. If you want to find out dig it up or maybe the person who first posted it can repost. Chrissy being killed was fucked but watching it again recently (HBO's reruns are in overdrive) I realized that he didn't just jeopardize himself or the organization, he almost killed Tony. Negligence, addiction, whatever the reason, Tony almost died... and as is natural for a predator like himself he got revenge. Pretty stunning underline on his character there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 I totally got why Chris was killed. But it was painful. God damn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 To defend Chris, he did have a point when he talked about how he was trying to get clean and Tony and the other guys were always encouraging him to loosen up and have a drink. Is it really any wonder he relapsed? I mean, absolutely, he had to go. And probably had it coming after betraying Adriana. But the Tony/Chris relationship was way more complicated than him simply being a screw up and Tony always having to clear up after him. Tony was the cause of a lot of his problems; that wasn't just Chris being paranoid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 The episode prior (if the preview is correct time-line wise) was the one where he relapsed and shot his sponsor so, yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 The episode prior (if the preview is correct time-line wise) was the one where he relapsed and shot his sponsor so, yeah. Wasn't his relapse in The Ride? Tony encouraged him to drink a bottle of wine because they were celebrating his wedding,so he did, then come the end of the episode he was doing heroin again. Chris was a fuck up, but it's not hard to see the connection. Tony also refused to let him pursue his writing dreams in Hollywood season 2. OK, so he was never going be Tennessee Williams, but, hey, if he wanted to get out of that life and do something else, why not let him? (And Chris wasn't "made" by that point, so he could have realistically gotten out.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 He had multiple relapses over the course of the last couple seasons. Would drink, get clean, etc. But he had just fallen off the wagon again and shot the screen writer (not his sponsor, btw, his sponsor was out of town) friend/fellow addict either the ep or two eps before. Again, going from the understandable place that Tony was a mafia boss (and a sociopath) him killing Chris was understandable. But that was the moment in the series that really ripped me up. I liked Chris (even though, to be fair, he was also a sociopath, and in some ways an even worse person than Tony) and I had some investment in the Tony/Chris relationship. Plus he had the baby girl, and... I can't believe Paulie actually survived the whole series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.H. Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 Probably the only person who wasn't surprised by that was Paulie. On to other things.... Watched the first episode of "Turn" after work today.... I liked it enough to want ot wait for episode 2, so that's something James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antacular Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 I think we're all being a little too hard on Spyder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultimoDANK Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 Digging Survivor this year. The episode last week was real good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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