Dolfan in NYC Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 Dawn of DC will (sign, once again) re-shape the DC universe!ย Whee.ย Lazarus Planet up first.ย Lookit Batman's new silly helmet!ย ย Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 Reminds me of an elseworlds I pitched where Vandal Savage ran the Illuminati and he kept the Fate Helmet on his desk and only put it on when he was going to do really bad things.ย Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonzombie Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 I don't think most people read Convergence and Doomsday Clock endings the right way. It's very irritating to see some fans stuck on their false headcanon interpretations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twiztor Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 16 hours ago, Red King said: I don't think most people read Convergence and Doomsday Clock endings the right way. It's very irritating to see some fans stuck on their false headcanon interpretations. that is not a new occurrence, and i don't expect it to end anytime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 https://bleedingcool.com/comics/how-dc-comics-planned-to-ruin-batman-the-5g-files-chapter-one/ Fuck. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Townsend Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 (edited) 14 hours ago, The Natural said: https://bleedingcool.com/comics/how-dc-comics-planned-to-ruin-batman-the-5g-files-chapter-one/ Fuck. BC has published nine articles since yesterday leaking 5G plans. ย More to come, Iโm sure. ย So far, it sounds decent to me. ย Iโm not terribly excited by most of the ideas, but theyโd be fine. ย All depends on the execution. ย Iโm not too interested in current DC, but they have a number of writers working for them that can sell me a book, ย King, Ridley, Tom Taylor, Joshua Williamson, Johns, etc. Iโm mostly intrigued by how they would inevitably retcon 5G and de-age Bruce, Clark, and Diana back to their โnormalโ ages. ย The big weakness of 5G probably would have been the new characters, ย So far, reception to Jon Kent, Jace Fox and the Brazilian Wonder Woman seems mixed, at best. ย I donโt have much faith theyโll ever carry the line or even be as popular as, say, Kyle Rayner. The plans for Clark sound intriguing and are probably better than what theyโve done with Clark and Jon Kent the past few years. ย I donโt hate the idea ofย Spoiler aging Bruce into his 60โs and trying to take out the Joker and Bane once and for all ย Edited January 13, 2023 by Doc Townsend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 Have they ever introduced Terry McGuiness into the official DCU? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 (edited) 56 minutes ago, Doc Townsend said: BC has published nine articles since yesterday leaking 5G plans. ย More to come, Iโm sure. ย So far, it sounds decent to me. ย Iโm not terribly excited by most of the ideas, but theyโd be fine. ย All depends on the execution. ย Iโm not too interested in current DC, but they have a number of writers working for them that can sell me a book, ย King, Ridley, Tom Taylor, Joshua Williamson, Johns, etc. Iโm mostly intrigued by how they would inevitably retcon 5G and de-age Bruce, Clark, and Diana back to their โnormalโ ages. ย The big weakness of 5G probably would have been the new characters, ย So far, reception to Jon Kent, Jace Fox and the Brazilian Wonder Woman seems mixed, at best. ย I donโt have much faith theyโll ever carry the line or even be as popular as, say, Kyle Rayner. The plans for Clark sound intriguing and are probably better than what theyโve done with Clark and Jon Kent the past few years. ย I donโt hate the idea ofย ย Reveal hidden contents aging Bruce into his 60โs and trying to take out the Joker and Bane once and for all ย I find Tom King very hit and miss. Loved Vision, liked most of Grayson, I only liked a few of his Batman stories, the annuals specifically Batman Annual #2 and #4. The majority of his Batman book sucked and I hated Heroes in Crisis. Tom Taylor is one of my favourite writers. On the spoiler: Spoiler I'm down with an older Bruce in his 60s as Batman Beyond, Batman of the Future where I live is great where he's in his 80s. It's making a deal with Joker letting him go to kill Bane which is bullshit. ย Edited January 13, 2023 by The Natural Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, The Natural said: I find Tom King very hit and miss. Loved Vision, liked most of Grayson, I only liked a few of his Batman stories, the annuals specifically Batman Annual #2 and #4. The majority of his Batman book sucked and I hated Heroes in Crisis. Tom Taylor is one of my favourite writers. On the spoiler: ย Reveal hidden contents I'm down with an older Bruce in his 60s as Batman Beyond, Batman of the Future where I live is great where he's in his 80s. It's making a deal with Joker letting him go to kill Bane which is bullshit. ย Thank you to @Matt Dย for tagging and recommending Batman Annual #4 saying it was made for me. Matt was right and I'd have missed out otherwise. Cheers mate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twiztor Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 Batman letting Joker go free, specifically for Joker to kill Bane, is literally the most OOC thing Batman could do. i can't imagine a story that would interest me less. it could work as an Elseworlds (as a cautionary tale, to prove Batman's "slippery slope" theory), but as part of the main canon? hell no! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Townsend Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, The Natural said: I find Tom King very hit and miss. Loved Vision, liked most of Grayson, I only liked a few of his Batman stories, the annuals specifically Batman Annual #2 and #4. The majority of his Batman book sucked and I hated Heroes in Crisis. Tom Taylor is one of my favourite writers. Have you read Kingโs other books? ย I liked his Batman run and Heroes in Crisis well enough, but theyโre not the King books Iโd recommend. ย You didnโt mention my favorite King books, Personally, I think Sheriff of Babylon is his best work. ย Admittedly, itโs not everyoneโs thing. ย Itโs a semi-autobiographical murder mystery about am American military consultant trying to solve a murder in Iraq. ย King was stationed in Iraq during his CIA days.ย I reread his Omega Men run a few weeks ago and love it. ย Keeps the basic premise from earlier Omega Men books but gives everything more depth and complexity. ย Itโs horrific, shades-of-gray stuff. ย Primus and Kalista fight a just guerilla war against a brutal dictatorship, but in the process reveal themselves to be even bigger bastards than their enemies. ย Poor, poor Kyle Rayner. Kingโs Mister Miracle run is heady stuff. ย Dark, but with emotional weight. ย King tells two stories, one about Scott Freeโs war with Darkseid, the other about Scott Freeโs war with fatherhood and his own demons. ย Canโt really discuss it without giving too much away, but the ending is powerful and devastating. ย Nominally a superhero book but it really is closer to a family drama. Strange Adventures was powerful. ย Falls somewhere between standard DC and Kingโs Mister Miracle. ย Basically grounds Adam Strange in โwar is hellโ territory. ย Thematically similar to Omega Men in how it views its protagonist. Read Rorschach. ย Like the other titles I have mentioned, it takes a standard superhero premise and warps it into something strange and thoughtful. ย Rorschach is basically a police procedural. ย It has ties to Watchmen, but is set decades after Mooreโs story so itโs not really using the Watchmen characters. ย More โinspired byโ Watchmen than playing in the Watchmen sandbox. if you havenโt read them, read Kingโs Swamp Thing Winter Special and Batman/Elmer Fudd one-shots. ย The Swamp Thing story might be Kingโs best single issue and Jason Fabok kills it as penciler. ย The Elmer Fudd crossover is strange and ridiculous in all the right ways. ย Itโs a very hard-boiled, noir take on both Bats and Elmer. Honestly most of the DC/Hanna Barbera stuff is great. ย Kingโs standard superhero books are fine, but he really excels when DC gives him minor characters and more freedom. ย ย Edited January 13, 2023 by Doc Townsend 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 Still think Vision was his best book.ย 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonzombie Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 5G is good for Elseworlds concepts, but destroys the brand if those events ever happened on Earth 0. Most of all of 5G was scrapped and the world of 5G was averted.ย The other possible worlds Doomsday Clock introduced? Not so much scrapped but just gotta wait. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 9 hours ago, twiztor said: Batman letting Joker go free, specifically for Joker to kill Bane, is literally the most OOC thing Batman could do. i can't imagine a story that would interest me less. it could work as an Elseworlds (as a cautionary tale, to prove Batman's "slippery slope" theory), but as part of the main canon? hell no! This. 9 hours ago, Doc Townsend said: Have you read Kingโs other books? ย I liked his Batman run and Heroes in Crisis well enough, but theyโre not the King books Iโd recommend. ย You didnโt mention my favorite King books, Personally, I think Sheriff of Babylon is his best work. ย Admittedly, itโs not everyoneโs thing. ย Itโs a semi-autobiographical murder mystery about am American military consultant trying to solve a murder in Iraq. ย King was stationed in Iraq during his CIA days.ย I reread his Omega Men run a few weeks ago and love it. ย Keeps the basic premise from earlier Omega Men books but gives everything more depth and complexity. ย Itโs horrific, shades-of-gray stuff. ย Primus and Kalista fight a just guerilla war against a brutal dictatorship, but in the process reveal themselves to be even bigger bastards than their enemies. ย Poor, poor Kyle Rayner. Kingโs Mister Miracle run is heady stuff. ย Dark, but with emotional weight. ย King tells two stories, one about Scott Freeโs war with Darkseid, the other about Scott Freeโs war with fatherhood and his own demons. ย Canโt really discuss it without giving too much away, but the ending is powerful and devastating. ย Nominally a superhero book but it really is closer to a family drama. Strange Adventures was powerful. ย Falls somewhere between standard DC and Kingโs Mister Miracle. ย Basically grounds Adam Strange in โwar is hellโ territory. ย Thematically similar to Omega Men in how it views its protagonist. Read Rorschach. ย Like the other titles I have mentioned, it takes a standard superhero premise and warps it into something strange and thoughtful. ย Rorschach is basically a police procedural. ย It has ties to Watchmen, but is set decades after Mooreโs story so itโs not really using the Watchmen characters. ย More โinspired byโ Watchmen than playing in the Watchmen sandbox. if you havenโt read them, read Kingโs Swamp Thing Winter Special and Batman/Elmer Fudd one-shots. ย The Swamp Thing story might be Kingโs best single issue and Jason Fabok kills it as penciler. ย The Elmer Fudd crossover is strange and ridiculous in all the right ways. ย Itโs a very hard-boiled, noir take on both Bats and Elmer. Honestly most of the DC/Hanna Barbera stuff is great. ย Kingโs standard superhero books are fine, but he really excels when DC gives him minor characters and more freedom. ย ย I haven't read those. Thanks for the recommendations. Had my eyes on Batman/Elmer Fudd, Batman/Swamp Thing and Mister Miracle but the majority of King's Batman run and Heroes in Crisis has put me off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonzombie Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 The new main team of Earth 0 Spoiler ย Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonzombie Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 On the new sliding time scale, we already learned that Year One happened 13 years ago. Well in issue 2 of the new Justice Society of America series, Zero Hour happened 8 years ago.ย So about 5 years into Batman's career, bam Zero Hour.ย I guess most history is compressed for JLA members and the silver and bronze ages. ย Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twiztor Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 11 hours ago, Red King said: On the new sliding time scale, we already learned that Year One happened 13 years ago. Well in issue 2 of the new Justice Society of America series, Zero Hour happened 8 years ago.ย So about 5 years into Batman's career, bam Zero Hour.ย I guess most history is compressed for JLA members and the silver and bronze ages. ย i feel like fans get too upset about timeline specifics. don't get me wrong, when they tried to compress everything into 5 years during New52, that was dumb. But overall, some of these characters have been published for over 80 years. it's never going to fit as long as the characters don't age in semi-real time. And since THAT's not going to happen, you just have to accept it for what it is.ย 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonzombie Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 The NTT are back as the Titans. https://www.cbr.com/titans-tom-taylor-nicola-scott-interview/ GL, Cyborg, Titans. https://aiptcomics.com/2023/01/25/dawn-of-dc-2023-cyborg-titans-green-lantern/ Wonder Woman getting new book, so relaunch. So only Action, Detective, Flash will have high issue numbers. The new JL will debut later.ย https://i.ibb.co/GP0vxdg/dawn-of-dc.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonzombie Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 Lazarus Planet stuff The Jon Superman is electric Supes. So capes won't work. Powergirl's post TNGA history and origin is that she from her old destroyed universe and survived her Krypton's destruction.ย Everything else is vague for now. Her new power is being Psychic. Have to separate her fron the other Powergirl who came from NU 52 Earth. ย Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Natural Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fn6i0WOaQAkL-df?format=jpg&name=medium The Joker through the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonzombie Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 Superman from Superman Lostย 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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