odessasteps Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 I know a number of longtime Flash fans who aren’t digging it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonzombie Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 I'm fine with the latest run. Still waiting for Absolute DC or whatever it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonzombie Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 The Legion Johns is using the Pre-NU52 Retroboot version. I dunno if they're still doing the 4 Legions plot. The Legionnaire of the Justice Society of America is young Mordru. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Hanger Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 Has anyone been reading Power Girl? I really liked Leah Williams on X-Factor and X-Terminators so I keep thinking I should check it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blitzkrieg Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 As a 90's Tim Drake fan, it's kinda funny to me that for almost a decade and a half DC hasn't been able to figure out what to call or how to dress Tim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 (edited) On 6/2/2024 at 8:01 PM, blitzkrieg said: As a 90's Tim Drake fan, it's kinda funny to me that for almost a decade and a half DC hasn't been able to figure out what to call or how to dress Tim. It's a shame. Last time Tim Drake meant something was under Grant Morrison. Tad ironic as his creation, Damian Wayne stole Tim Drake's thunder. Christopher Yost did a great job with Tim too. Edited June 12 by The Natural Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 (edited) 15 minutes ago, The Natural said: It's a shame. Last time Tim Drake meant something was under Grant Morrison. Tad ironic as his creation, Damian Wayne stole Tim Drake's thunder. Christopher Yost did a great job with Tim too. Tim Drake is lacking in the comics to the other Robin's. Dick Grayson was the first Robin and became his own man as a solo, Nightwing. Was a brilliant Batman as written by Grant Morrison and Scott Snyder. I LOVE Batman and Robin #1-16 and Batman: The Black Mirror. Carrie Kelley was the first female Robin but that's outside the mainstream continuity, The Dark Knight Returns. Jason Todd was killed by the Joker, returned after many years and uses lethal force. Tim Drake is the smartest Robin. Even Ra's al Ghul called him Detective but he's lacking something the other main Robins have. Was Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker ever made canon in the comics? This would add to his character overcoming THAT. Stephanie Brown is the first female Robin and was in one of, if not the worst Batman story ever, War Games. Fuck War Games. Damian Wayne is the biological son of Bruce Wayne and is the brooding Robin in contrast to the happy go lucky ones. IMO the best Robin. Edited June 12 by The Natural Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blitzkrieg Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 5 hours ago, The Natural said: Tim Drake is lacking in the comics to the other Robin's. If you're solely looking at the sidekick nature of appearing in the main Bat-books, maybe. Tim is probably the one that was least treated as a sidekick as he carried a solo series for 16 years, longer than that if you count the minis before it and the Red Robin series afterward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unholy Dragon Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 On 6/2/2024 at 3:01 PM, blitzkrieg said: As a 90's Tim Drake fan, it's kinda funny to me that for almost a decade and a half DC hasn't been able to figure out what to call or how to dress Tim. Ironically, I think they had basically nailed it. Going back to Robin and the suit he had the last few years was basically perfect. But once again we are given an abomination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 7 hours ago, blitzkrieg said: If you're solely looking at the sidekick nature of appearing in the main Bat-books, maybe. Tim is probably the one that was least treated as a sidekick as he carried a solo series for 16 years, longer than that if you count the minis before it and the Red Robin series afterward. In hindsight, he was probably the most hurt by the creation of Damian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 5 hours ago, odessasteps said: In hindsight, he was probably the most hurt by the creation of Damian. But not right away. The Red Robin book was legitimately great. I think he's low key one of the characters that got the most screwed by the New 52. They revamped his origin in a way that made him way less interesting, stuck him in a terrible costume, and mostly kept him away from the Bat Family. By the time they started restoring things, he was kinda the odd man out. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 Another reason to have cut ties when new 52 happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twiztor Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 On 6/12/2024 at 8:22 AM, The Natural said: Was Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker ever made canon in the comics? nope. and i doubt it ever will be, since it's 1) set in the future AND 2) a sequel to an animated adaptation, so we're two steps away from canon. On 6/13/2024 at 3:20 AM, Brian Fowler said: I think [Tim Drake]'s low key one of the characters that got the most screwed by the New 52. They revamped his origin in a way that made him way less interesting, stuck him in a terrible costume, and mostly kept him away from the Bat Family. definitely, although his decline in the Bat books started before the n52. IMO, killing his parents was a terrible choice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 3 hours ago, twiztor said: nope. and i doubt it ever will be, since it's 1) set in the future AND 2) a sequel to an animated adaptation, so we're two steps away from canon. definitely, although his decline in the Bat books started before the n52. IMO, killing his parents was a terrible choice. Because you can’t be in the Bat Family without family trauma? Look at the backstory that they gave Jim Gordon (which may have been retconned again by now). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twiztor Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 1 hour ago, odessasteps said: Because you can’t be in the Bat Family without family trauma? Look at the backstory that they gave Jim Gordon (which may have been retconned again by now). i mean, yeah, that was literally the reason they gave at one point. awful. i dunno if you're referring to Batgirl's parentage (what a messed up retcon that was) or if there's more to Jim's history that i've blanked out of my mind. but yeah, DC's Bat-Office certainly seems to have disdain for their characters being happy (see also: Batwoman's marriage to Maggie Sawyer). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 I was more thinking of giving Jim multiple marriages and introducing a son and making him a heel (serial killer?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blitzkrieg Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 I think most fans of DC's younger heroes would point to Johns's Titans as the start of things. Johns basically threw out or retcon'ed the characters into what he wanted them to be in Titans. Which for Tim seemed to be turning him into a mini-Bruce when him not being that was a large appeal of the character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odessasteps Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 (edited) As someone well known disliking for John’s grimdarking the DCU, I don’t disagree. At least he kept his arms. Edited June 16 by odessasteps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 On 6/1/2024 at 6:00 PM, Cliff Hanger said: Has anyone been reading Power Girl? I really liked Leah Williams on X-Factor and X-Terminators so I keep thinking I should check it out. It's legitimately a fun book, as expected by Williams. Establishing a whole new identity (Goodbye Karen Starr, Hello Dr. Paige Stetler). a sidekick in Omen (FKA Lilith of the OG Teen Titans) and pet in Streaky the Super Cat. Plus, there's more relation to the Superfamily. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fowler Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 13 hours ago, blitzkrieg said: I think most fans of DC's younger heroes would point to Johns's Titans as the start of things. Johns basically threw out or retcon'ed the characters into what he wanted them to be in Titans. Which for Tim seemed to be turning him into a mini-Bruce when him not being that was a large appeal of the character. I still can't believe he took that idiotic idea from a letter he sent in the 90's and ruined Connor by making him a clone of Luthor and Superman. Just the dumbest fucking retcon that also absolutely did not fit anything established. Grrr 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unholy Dragon Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 On 6/14/2024 at 5:44 PM, odessasteps said: I was more thinking of giving Jim multiple marriages and introducing a son and making him a heel (serial killer?) Most of that was just Frank Miller. He introduced James Jr. and Jim cheating on his first wife with Essen in Year One and DKR had Essen as Jim's wife/ex-wife (can't remember which offhand). It was also because of the absence of Babs in his run that they retconned her into being his adopted daughter rather than his biological one. Because Barbara is the interesting one with the Batgirl stuff, most subsequent writers ignored James Jr.'s existence, leading to Scott Snyder thinking of an angle to explain why he just kind of disappeared and tying it to the themes of Dick as Batman. It's all a bit of a ride but it's really just two creators making specific story choices that ended up with wider repercussions, with all of it coming back to Year One in one way or another. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 6 hours ago, The Unholy Dragon said: Most of that was just Frank Miller. He introduced James Jr. and Jim cheating on his first wife with Essen in Year One and DKR had Essen as Jim's wife/ex-wife (can't remember which offhand). It was also because of the absence of Babs in his run that they retconned her into being his adopted daughter rather than his biological one. Because Barbara is the interesting one with the Batgirl stuff, most subsequent writers ignored James Jr.'s existence, leading to Scott Snyder thinking of an angle to explain why he just kind of disappeared and tying it to the themes of Dick as Batman. It's all a bit of a ride but it's really just two creators making specific story choices that ended up with wider repercussions, with all of it coming back to Year One in one way or another. Batman: Year One has always been my #1 choice for the best Batman book of all time. Love that book. I think it's Frank Miller's best then The Dark Knight Returns and Daredevil. Batman: The Black Mirror is brilliant, Scott Snyder's best Batman story and arguably his best work, that or American Vampire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonzombie Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 At one point they were gonna have Barbara/Batwoman not exist. Like how Kara was erased. Batgirl Special Vol 1 1 punlished in 1988 takes place before the Killing Joke, and was considered and published as the last Batgirl story at the time, Barb there is basically the pre-Crisis but also post Crisis Secret Origins Secret Origins Vol 2 20 version and not her post Killing Joke revised version. There is also the matter of whether Killing Joke was originally meant to be in continuity, the story ended up mostly being in continuity. Nu52 made her Jim Gordon's biological daughter again. And they stuck with that revertion after all the other reality changes after. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 Found Chip Zdarsky's Batman run to be hit and miss. Today's Batman (2016) #150 is a great story, one of his best. One of the best Batman stories I've read in a while also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonzombie Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 Justice Society of America 10 Surtur was briefly back but younger Mordru stopped the problem. The retroboot LOSH are back (again.) They want young Mordru. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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