Jiji Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 Punches for the most part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thee Reverend Axl Future Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 Both, with increasing ferocity and conversely less selling as the match progresses, to the point of exhaustion and spent passion climax (and then a cigarette). I always noticed that Hansen, and Brody and Abdullah and Vader and TJSingh and Sheik and even Wiiliams/Gordy and Sapp, were revered by the Japanese for exactly what Matt D described - these gaijin are a force of nature, unstoppable and chaotic, and must be dealt with in sccordance to the warrior smarts of whoever is fated to face them, and thus were feared and respected. This gimmick was in the eyes of the audience, not necessarily adopted by the worker but the smart ones used this perception - making this either m,ore worked or slightly shooty, depending on how you look at it. I am a big Flair mark but with the big pic you can see his faults. That's true for everybody; he is #1, or at least the one to beat for that spot. He both suffers AND benefits from having so much footage of him available. Part of the context in this debate is one's age - who did you grow up with as champ, and/or who were you "smartened up" to a "real" champion? The kind of wreslting you emotionally and/or intellectually bond with affects your opinion evermore. The older guys suffer from lack of footage - do the newer one suffer from overexposure (or extant embarrassing backyard/indy botches)? I like how the CLUBBERIN Thread has temporarily become the intellectual analysis pulpit... - RAF 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEAN Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 So much bull whipping! DUTCH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEAN Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 Greg the Hammer Valentine and Tiger Conway Jr just beat the living dog shit out of each other. The finish is horrendous. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEAN Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 I noticed that American women in Japanese organizations are so much more crazy and violent than in America- for obvious reasons; how many times would they main event on an American card. I wonder how awesome a women's territory in America would have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEAN Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 This is wild. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 I dunno if this has been here yet (probably has) but the joshi-being-brutal talk in the blood thread reminded me of THIS match... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEAN Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 Somehow, not enough blood for the Blood Sucking Freaks thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEAN Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 More Jonathan Boyd Sheepherders versus the Fabulous Ones. Fabs were so hardcore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEAN Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 Hey! Another Devil Masami and Monster Ripper tag match! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eivion Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 So did you do what I did and just put nearly every match on that channel on your watchlist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEAN Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 They all just pop up on my YouTube feed. I can't remember what started all the 80s stuff, but it's an intensifying cycle of matches popping up, me watching the matches, even more matches pop up. Maybe all the Rusher Kimura matches I watched for the blood sucking freaks thread (and there were a LOT of them, because Rusher didn't bleed in every match) triggered the logarithm to send me all the 80s women's wrestling, which got more intense as I watched all the 80s women's wrestling. So it was really great because I hadn't really thought about that stuff past Dump vs Chigusa. I had no idea that western ladies were so awesome from the time period, being taught in the mid-90s that only good women wrestlers in the 80s and 90s were Japanese. So yeah it was good piece of luck and discovery. It's the same thing with Joshi currently on my feed. I was not that into Joshi but they keep sending me matches and I watch them. And now I know who to look for in Joshi. So now I'm into modern Joshi. Google is a dangerous company. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordi the former AEW fan Posted August 12, 2020 Author Share Posted August 12, 2020 The algorithm is definitely improving. For the longest time, I'd watch hard-hitting matches from Japan and the territories from the 1980s and the algorithm would think, "This guy likes pro wrestling" and send me recent matches from WWE. Close, but no cigar. Now, it sends me random Kurisu and Aoyagi matches. It's learning. It's getting stronger. I'm equal parts happy about this and scared by it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death From Above Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 My suggestions currently have a lot of NOAH, wrestling podcasts, and indie Mexican matches involving a fat old guy that bleeds, I swear I have no idea how this happened. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thee Reverend Axl Future Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 You are all slaves to the algorithm. - RAF 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEAN Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 STIFF~! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordi the former AEW fan Posted August 13, 2020 Author Share Posted August 13, 2020 (edited) Speaking of stiffness... I was wondering what Tomohiro Ishii looked and worked like when he was younger. Was he one of those guys (like Fujiwara) who always looked middle-aged and surly? Looked around and found this. Turns out: Twenty years ago, Tomohiro Ishii looked a LOT like mid-90s Toshiaki Kawada!! He was already a guy who could both dish out and take a massive ass-kicking. Mochizukiis an absolute ass-kicker who I always forget about... then I stumble on one of his matches and I remember. He absolutely lays the kicks into Dangerous T.I. Ishii hits a very swank Tiger Suplex Hold!! It's not quite pure uncut clubbering, and it's definitely clipped here and there, but this is just a ton of fun. Looks to be in a WAR ring, and in Korakuen Hall to boot (no pun intended). The ladies in the front row are having a hoot, and are almost as fun to watch as the ass-kicking. Also there is a little girl in the front row, around my daughter's age, wearing her best pretty pink dress. I'd love to know her story! I wonder how well she remembers this match. I wonder if she's ever seen the video... Edited August 13, 2020 by gordi 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 Yeah, Ishii was a WAR young boy. He's probably easily found at the start of all those full WAR cards that popped up on Youtube. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEAN Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 I believe there is ONE wrestling hold in this. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death From Above Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 My favourite part in this is when Boyd starts biting Nord and the granny in the front row starts applauding wildly. Granny's here with us in spirit to this day. Never thought I'd be posting a Brian Adams match but here we are folks. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEAN Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 This has wrestling holds between the ass stomping because there is so much ass stomping. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 The WWF talk in the main thread brought me back to Garvin/Valentine again. This is the long version -- the album cut, if you weeel. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEAN Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 2 hours ago, Curt McGirt said: The WWF talk in the main thread brought me back to Garvin/Valentine again. This is the long version -- the album cut, if you weeel. I had forgotten how great this match was. So stiff! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiji Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 Their match at the Rumble was insane. Wahoo and Johnny Valentine probably thought it was stiff. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEAN Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 This was the next match on YouTube after that. Valentine LAYS IT IN! ================================= Then THIS popped up! Santana punches him in the face! Numerously! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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