sabremike Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 The only guy in this whole thing who isn't coming off completely awful (particularly to the people aware of the cavalcade of endless deaths in wrestling that took place in the quarter century after) is Mansfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerva Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 (edited) Oh Mansfield isn't coming off that well either. I mean nobody believes he did what he did because of a lack of insurance and a retirement plan I liked that they brought up the total hypocrisy of Schultz getting almost blackmailed while Hogan shoot chokes the shit out of Belzer and gets a slap on the wrist Edited April 29, 2020 by hammerva 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabremike Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 Mr T was the reason WrestleMania was a success. That needed to be emphasized as a counterpoint. The Belzer incident got the show a ton of last minute press and whatever settlement they paid was a pittance compared to the publicity they got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Commander Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 37 minutes ago, sabremike said: Honestly: how many people back when the 20/20 segment aired didn't know pro wrestling was predetermined? When I went to my first show with my dad at the Mid Hudson Civic Center on March 4th 1986 we were second row and could pick up on the guys calling spots in the ring. one would think that marathon TV tapings would help some people figure out that this isn't on the up and up 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nice Guy Eddie Posted April 29, 2020 Author Share Posted April 29, 2020 (edited) Herb Abrams is going to be entertaining as hell. Of course, it's going to test my sobriety more than the New Jack episode. Edited April 29, 2020 by Nice Guy Eddie 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerva Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 Next week is Herb Abrams. NOW business will pick up 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabremike Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 The stuff about him as a bounty hunter fucking up bad guys was actually awesome and I sorta wish they had done a bit more on it. Stossel is still unaware that Vince pretty much told Dr D to do what he did. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Commander Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 John Stossel and Dr. D probably have some mutual interests. A shame that they can't bond over talking about how the government sucks or how guns are awesome. Also, Eddy Mansfield seems like he read Twitter to see how to argue his point in a way that would get cheap support from some people. They fucked the timeline up about McMahon and the commissions. They aired a clip from 1997 (Undertaker/Christine Todd Whitman). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nice Guy Eddie Posted April 29, 2020 Author Share Posted April 29, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, hammerva said: Next week is Herb Abrams. NOW business will pick up Dead Herb Abrams would make a hell of a costume for a DVDVR Halloween party. Edited April 29, 2020 by Nice Guy Eddie 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerva Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 I kind wish they didn't spoil in the trailer of Abrams and mention the dead naked covered in baby oil and cocaine. But it is a hell of a hook 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nice Guy Eddie Posted April 29, 2020 Author Share Posted April 29, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, hammerva said: I kind wish they didn't spoil in the trailer of Abrams and mention the dead naked covered in baby oil and cocaine. But it is a hell of a hook I figure most of the viewing audience for Dark Side probably knows how Abrams met his fate anyway. Edited April 29, 2020 by Nice Guy Eddie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerva Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 1 minute ago, Cobra Commander said: Also, Eddy Mansfield seems like he read Twitter to see how to argue his point in a way that would get cheap support so you are saying that he sounded like David Starr 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Commander Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said: Dead Herb Abrams would make a hell of a costume for a DVDVR Halloween party. how much of the UWF roster has to be dead in order to have a Zombie UWF? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peck Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 Stossel's "Fuck you, David" nearly 40 years later. Let me tell you... it would be fun to get that guy alone in a room for 10 minutes. What a chickenshit. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Commander Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 Just now, hammerva said: so you are saying that he sounded like David Starr yeah, Mansfield was David Starr if Starr was a lot dumber. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nice Guy Eddie Posted April 29, 2020 Author Share Posted April 29, 2020 I'm glad there's no After Dark for the Schultz episode. I don't think the topic makes for a good round table discussion. Now, Herb Abrams on the other hand...I figure Foley will be on the panel. I wonder who else they got for the Herb episode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Commander Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 actually, they're airing the After Dark for Schultz next week. The guests are Ricky Morton, Brian Blair, and Dutch Mantell for that one. Yes, they now air the After Darks 166 1/2 hours after the episode is over. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 I would like to know what mysterious role Dr. D said he was playing for the government back in the Iraq/Afghanistan War days (can't remember what book that was from). It was probably just him driving around cotton but his answer would be funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SorceressKnight Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 48 minutes ago, sabremike said: Honestly: how many people back when the 20/20 segment aired didn't know pro wrestling was predetermined? When I went to my first show with my dad at the Mid Hudson Civic Center on March 4th 1986 we were second row and could pick up on the guys calling spots in the ring. Honestly, the "pro wrestling was predetermined" thing was like a dance between pro wrestling and the public. For most of the 20th century, the public knew wrestling was predetermined (and it was basically known as far back as Hackenschmidt/Gotch and the "because of an injury I was promised I got to win one fall, but he doublecrossed me and won two straight falls" thing), but as long as wrestlers and promoters hid that fact, the public agreed to look the other way. Every 10 or so years, there'd be some smoking gun that'd prove wrestling was fixed- a promoter with loose lips here, a sports page reporting results to a card that didn't happen there- and people would be up in arms about it, but eventually they'd forget about it and look the other way until the next time someone did an expose hinting this pro wrestling thing wasn't on the up and up, and it'd all repeat. The 20/20 segment was important for a few reasons: It was the first time one of these scandals happened as WWF had started to go national, and really, it was the last gasp of the masquerade between "wrestling is real" and "wrestling is predetermined" and the last time that there was this scandal. We came close to seeing one in 1988 with the "WWF Magazine talked about WWF World Champion Randy Savage in a magazine where a few copies leaked out just before Wrestlemania IV happened", but that quickly swept under the rug without much of an outcry...and the next year in 1989, the trial in New Jersey about WWF needing to pay sports tax involved Vince McMahon saying under oath "oh yeah, wrestling is completely predetermined" and officially ended the masquerade for good. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabremike Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 1 minute ago, SorceressKnight said: Honestly, the "pro wrestling was predetermined" thing was like a dance between pro wrestling and the public. For most of the 20th century, the public knew wrestling was predetermined (and it was basically known as far back as Hackenschmidt/Gotch and the "because of an injury I was promised I got to win one fall, but he doublecrossed me and won two straight falls" thing), but as long as wrestlers and promoters hid that fact, the public agreed to look the other way. Every 10 or so years, there'd be some smoking gun that'd prove wrestling was fixed- a promoter with loose lips here, a sports page reporting results to a card that didn't happen there- and people would be up in arms about it, but eventually they'd forget about it and look the other way until the next time someone did an expose hinting this pro wrestling thing wasn't on the up and up, and it'd all repeat. The 20/20 segment was important for a few reasons: It was the first time one of these scandals happened as WWF had started to go national, and really, it was the last gasp of the masquerade between "wrestling is real" and "wrestling is predetermined" and the last time that there was this scandal. We came close to seeing one in 1988 with the "WWF Magazine talked about WWF World Champion Randy Savage in a magazine where a few copies leaked out just before Wrestlemania IV happened", but that quickly swept under the rug without much of an outcry...and the next year in 1989, the trial in New Jersey about WWF needing to pay sports tax involved Vince McMahon saying under oath "oh yeah, wrestling is completely predetermined" and officially ended the masquerade for good. Dave has mentioned quite often that Roy Shire in the 70's was essentially forced to put a disclaimer at the start of his show saying that it's an exhibition and the results were predetermined. It had no effect on business. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Commander Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 Stossel getting on a high horse about not liking it when people get bullshitted is amazing considering the last 25 years of what John Stossel has done on television screens. If Stossel had discovered Reason Magazine and Libertarianism before 1984, he would have obviously realized that opposing kayfabe is inconsistent with all the other stuff he believes. That's not even getting into how Stossel hates frivolous lawsuits now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 So Stossel pulled one of those Dennis Miller ideological 180s? Great, another guy I liked as a kid down. I haven't paid any attention to what he's been up to since back then when I loved him trashing people on 20/20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Commander Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 not sure if it's exactly a 180.. but the 20/20 reel they showed on DSOTR included him and some tobacco company about cigarettes and cancer... nowadays, Stossel is a skeptic on the tie between cigarettes and lung cancer. Going from consumer reporter to libertarian isn't a total flip but it's a change. I had a college-level ethics class that had one of those Stossel videos once. So he sorta found a niche years ago among libertarian types. Now, no disrespect to those types since they have their positives.. but 2000s Stossel would have opposed 1980s Stossel's lawsuit to get $280k from the WWF. Mansfield was more hateable than Stossel though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt McGirt Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 Him pretending to care about people while working for News Corp is hypocritical enough for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra Commander Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 All the local news people who do problemsolvers segments are unhappy with that sort of talk. Superniche thing I just realized tonight: of course Schultz was facing Inoki after an incident involving a slap. Guessing there isn't enough good content for an Inoki DSOTR, even if Inoki is as whacked as anybody in this business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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