supremebve Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Seems like a shitty deal. I wanted to say the same thing, but then again I don't know how much money someone gets from their current sponsors. An extra $2500 for a fighter with under than 6 UFC fights seems like an extremely small amount, but how much money would some company pay that same unknown fighter to wear their logo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Brendan Schaub claimed on Twitter that he was getting six figures in sponsorships in each of his last six fights. So believe it or not. Granted, Schaub also said before that he made more money from his Fox Sports podcast than he did from fighting. However, if he's hitting six figures from sponsorship money alone for his last six fights, he shouldn't be hard up for money right now unless he's invested it poorly or spent it all. He's also only 2-4 in his last six. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supremebve Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Brendan Schaub claimed on Twitter that he was getting six figures in sponsorships in each of his last six fights. So believe it or not. Granted, Schaub also said before that he made more money from his Fox Sports podcast than he did from fighting. However, if he's hitting six figures from sponsorship money alone for his last six fights, he shouldn't be hard up for money right now unless he's invested it poorly or spent it all. He's also only 2-4 in his last six. I'm not saying that Brendan Schaub is lying, but that sounds outrageous to me. If that is the case, why would anyone ever sign with the UFC again? Even if you get half of that from your sponsors from fighting in Bellator, wouldn't you take the $50,000+ than deal with the UFCs Reebok deal? He can't possibly be getting paid 100K from the UFC right? Are we supposed to believe that sponsors pay fighters more than the UFC? As much as I love MMA, it is a niche sport that has a very specific audience. These companies can't make their money back if they are spending that much on sponsorships. Almost every UFC fan would have to be buying their products, which I'm sure they're not. As someone who knows a little about marketing, I can't see any of these companies sales going up by more than 5-10% based on an ad someone sees on a fighter's ass. Has anyone here bought a single product because a fighter endorsed it? Unless he has 25 sponsors, I don't see how in the fuck he gets over $100,000 per fight from his sponsors, and even they'd have to pay him $4,000 a piece. That is a lot of money, especially when we see the same sponsors over and over again throughout an event. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted May 6, 2015 Author Share Posted May 6, 2015 http://www.mmafighting.com/2015/5/6/8561443/ufc-brass-explains-why-they-believe-reebok-compensation-terms-are-a If you wanna believe sprewellrimz or not, Cain was making a quarter million from Milwaukee Tools around the time of the Brock and first JDS fight. I got to look it up, but I don't think he was making that guaranteed per fight. Plus, I believe Chael was making a grip ($100k+ IIRC) to wear the Immortals logo when then movie came out. Some guys manage to carve out a niche for themselves despite what went on with the sponsor tax and also not seeming like they are worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Yeah but that was when Cain was basically at his peak and he was fighting against the sport's biggest draw. Now he's at a point where he's fighting sporadically and constantly injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted May 6, 2015 Author Share Posted May 6, 2015 Yeah but that was when Cain was basically at his peak and he was fighting against the sport's biggest draw. Now he's at a point where he's fighting sporadically and constantly injured. I was just pointing that out in reference to supreme's point about how would companies make their money back in relation to paying more than (reported) contracted purses. There have been some guys that have been able to come up on sponsors taking a chance. Lesser now than ever, but there is a precedent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Now to be perfectly honest, I find some of these numbers less than impressive. Then again, I have no idea the average payout most fighters are getting from sponsors per fight for logos, wearing the merch, etc. The royalty clause is interesting, but it only really helps the fighters if people buy their personal merch. And based on how the market has apparently been drying up for MMA/fight apparel, I wonder how lucrative that market could be for UFC fighter Reebak apparel. Before this deal was announced a lot of stories were coming out that fighters were struggling with sponsors, sponsors were bouncing their checks, sponsors are drying up, or sponsors are only willing to give fighters pennies to do a ton of promotion for wearing their gear or a logo spot. Now the dialogue has changed with this new deal. Based on a lot of fighter complaints, it seems their sponsorship deals were stronger than ever before. Unless some of them are lying. I don't know how the heck Brendan Schaub, who also claimed he made more money from his Fox Sports podcast, is clearing six figures PER FIGHT on sponsor money alone when he's 2-4 in his last six fights. I know he's a heavyweight and was on TUF, but if he's able to manage that type of sponsor payout, what are other fighters at a similar level getting before this deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted May 7, 2015 Author Share Posted May 7, 2015 On the sponsor front.... Apparently, Bisping had an ugly confrontation with John Makdessi in the elevator of the UFC 186 fighter hotel over Fear the Fighter not paying him. It would be interesting to see how this affects someone like Bisping, who has been with several fly-by-night companies since coming to the UFC nine years ago. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supremebve Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 On the sponsor front.... Apparently, Bisping had an ugly confrontation with John Makdessi in the elevator of the UFC 186 fighter hotel over Fear the Fighter not paying him. It would be interesting to see how this affects someone like Bisping, who has been with several fly-by-night companies since coming to the UFC nine years ago. That is kind of my point, most of these companies sponsoring fighters aren't exactly Fortune 500 companies. They are small companies, with a niche customer base, and a limited reach. Paying thousands of dollars to a bunch of fighters with the hope that you will make that money back in increased revenue doesn't make any sense at all to me. Reebok paying that money makes much more sense, because they are an established company that can afford to spend that type of money. Are these "Supplement of the Week" companies flushed with that much cash? Maybe that's why they keep going out of business. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted May 7, 2015 Author Share Posted May 7, 2015 On the sponsor front.... Apparently, Bisping had an ugly confrontation with John Makdessi in the elevator of the UFC 186 fighter hotel over Fear the Fighter not paying him. It would be interesting to see how this affects someone like Bisping, who has been with several fly-by-night companies since coming to the UFC nine years ago. That is kind of my point, most of these companies sponsoring fighters aren't exactly Fortune 500 companies. They are small companies, with a niche customer base, and a limited reach. Paying thousands of dollars to a bunch of fighters with the hope that you will make that money back in increased revenue doesn't make any sense at all to me. Reebok paying that money makes much more sense, because they are an established company that can afford to spend that type of money. Are these "Supplement of the Week" companies flushed with that much cash? Maybe that's why they keep going out of business. The supplement companies pretty much disappeared though. I believe once BSN started sponsoring people (thinking `08ish), they slowly dropped one by one. Then a couple years later, Muscle Pharm pushed BSN out and started sponsoring everyone. Muscle Pharm is still sponsoring people, but definitely not the way they once were. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted May 12, 2015 Author Share Posted May 12, 2015 Marc Raimondi @marc_raimondi 5m Nick Diaz’s case is on the agenda for the NAC meeting Friday, but will most likely be continued until next month, per the Nevada deputy AG. This is the longest goddamn process ever. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted May 12, 2015 Author Share Posted May 12, 2015 Marc Raimondi @marc_raimondi 24m Anderson Silva’s case also currently set for June’s NAC meeting, but it's unlikely Diaz & Silva will be same day. Both will be long hearings 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted May 15, 2015 Author Share Posted May 15, 2015 http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/5/15/8612461/ufc-nac-nsac-drug-testing-punishment-increase-lifetime-bans-fines-steroids-marijuana-mma-news "Not of human origin" gets me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted May 15, 2015 Author Share Posted May 15, 2015 Here are the amended changes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted May 15, 2015 Author Share Posted May 15, 2015 Jeremy Botter @jeremybotter 10m The UFC will unveil their new drug testing program on June 3 in Vegas. “Athlete Health and Performance Program.” Jeremy Botter @jeremybotter 9m Ferritta, Epstein, White and Novitsky in attendance. Takes place at Red Rock casino. Jeremy Botter @jeremybotter 8m The press conference will also stream on http://UFC.com . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 I wonder if this will go beyond enhanced testing and have deals with training and injuries as well. Personally, I have no problem with some sort or rules and regulation being put on training camps after bout agreements are signed. Like always having to wear head gear in sparring. Things like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 I still don't understand why out of competition drug use is okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted May 16, 2015 Author Share Posted May 16, 2015 I still don't understand why out of competition drug use is okay. I think all this depends on your definition of out-of-competition and your level of morality. If we're talking PEDs, you have to think about the point where drug use has surpassed cosmetic and entered the realm of performance enhancing. Lets just say that in competition is the week before a training camp, the eight weeks of actual training, and then fight week. How much cheating are you really doing taking something eleven or twelve weeks out?* You have to also remember that many fighters spend most of their camp getting in shape rather than doing training tailored towards defeating an opponent. So if a lot of the training is about rehab and recovery early on, then I wouldn't be shocked if that is where a majority of future test failures occur. In the same light, how much punishment would you dole out to someone who smoked a joint during the first week of training? Ideally, a drug testing program would keep people on their toes during that time period. The testing during out-of-competition, which would probably be mostly aimed at repeat offenders, would make people leery of even doing anything. However, when you have regulatory bodies still debating on what is or isn't out-of-competition, you get selective interpretations of the rules already in place and no clear precedents established to go on. *Obviously, the eleven or twelve weeks timeframe wouldn't matter if you serve as a replacement in a bout scheduled weeks before your original scheduled bout. Under my definition, you would then be in competition. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 How much can a state athletic commission really do as far as out-of-competition if they have no idea when fighters on a roster are really going to fight next? Just remember, these are still state run government bureaucracies at the end of the day. We know Nevada and other athletic commissions randomly test fighters. Even British Columbia does random out of competition testing, that's how they snagged Bagautinov. If it is the time when fighters are not fighting and don't have a fight lined up where they should get checked, that is on the promoter. Now the UFC is saying they are going to start doing that, so we'll see what they have planned next month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted June 3, 2015 Author Share Posted June 3, 2015 Josh Gross @yay_yee 2h Major news: #UFC to announce partnership w/ @usantidoping today. Last Oct. I revealed this was UFC's top choice. MMAjunkie @MMAjunkie 27s Watch today's press conference about UFC's new drug-testing program at 2 p.m. ET https://shar.es/12r0t3 via @mmajunkie Also, in a bit of news, Zuffa scores the first win in the class action lawsuit: http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/news/452345/UFC-class-action-suit-transferred-to-Nevada/#.VW80YQ6OrYs.twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted June 3, 2015 Author Share Posted June 3, 2015 Interesting take from @mmalogic in the Bloody Elbow comments: Theoretically the venue shouldnt matter in a federal case because the laws are essentially the same… But in reality and in the real world it makes a big difference. If venue didnt matter why were they filing in nor cal and why are some of the biggest antitrust firms based there? because it does matter… The media was playing nor cal up like it was very favorable to the plantiffs and this and that… now that its moved they’re all saying it doesnt matter it’s no big deal blah blah blah. It’s now going to be harder for the plantiffs to get passed the motion to dismiss… pretty much everything is going to be harder (class certification, the amount of money, etc…) The plantiffs legal counsel have already been phoning it in… from their shitty press conference where you can tell the main guys had no clue what the case was about to their paperwork where it’s like an intern wrote it to not even being prepared to properly argue the venue. It’s like they didnt even think about the arguments. This is just another case of many that they throw against the wall to see what sticks… And now they have to fly to another state to collect their shit. If norcal is the liberal/socialist heaven for antitrust, Vegas is the hellfire and the last place you want be going up against the towns establishment… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted June 3, 2015 Author Share Posted June 3, 2015 Jeremy Botter @jeremybotter 31s UFC has partnered with Fusionetics, EXOS and the Cleveland Clinic. Jeremy Botter @jeremybotter 2m Fusionetics specializes in injury prevention. EXOS is focused on training regimes, recovery, nutrition and more. Ariel Helwani @arielhelwani 1m COO Lawrence Epstein says he visited the Man City training facility and they adopted many of their methods for the new UFC rehab center. Jeremy Botter @jeremybotter 1m The UFC has retained USADA as the independent administrator for the new anti-doping policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted June 3, 2015 Author Share Posted June 3, 2015 Ariel Helwani @arielhelwani 22 "Unannouced, year-round, in and out of competition testing. Urine and blood testing, any place, any where." Jeremy Botter @jeremybotter 47s 1st offense for steroids is 2 years (4 years with aggravating circumstance). Double for second offense, then doubled again for third. Jeremy Botter @jeremybotter 1m Marijuana: 1 year with 2 years for aggravating circumstance. Doubled for 2nd offense, doubled again for 3rd. Jeremy Botter @jeremybotter 1m1 minute ago “In competition” is 6 hours before and 6 hours after the fight. FWIW, the six hours before was six hours before the weigh-in Ariel Helwani @arielhelwani 2m 1st offense for steroids, GH, blood doping: 2 year suspension w/ possibility of 2 extra years for "aggravating circumstances." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted June 3, 2015 Author Share Posted June 3, 2015 Jeremy Botter @jeremybotter 2m Marijuana is only tested for in competition. Ariel Helwani @arielhelwani 56s Edwin Moses, gold medalist in the 76 and 84 Olympic games in track and field (400 m hurdles) and Travis Tygart CEO of USADA are there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted June 3, 2015 Author Share Posted June 3, 2015 http://www.usada.org/travis-tygart-statement-ufc-anti-doping-program/ “Today is a huge win for the athletes in the UFC as they set a new standard for all professional sport in protecting the rights and health of clean athletes and the integrity of competition. The UFC has taken a bold and courageous leap forward for the good of its athletes in developing a comprehensive and cutting edge anti-doping policy expressly modeled on the key elements of the WADA Anti-Doping Program and by having it run by an independent and transparent National Anti-Doping Organization. USADA looks forward to supporting clean athletes in this sport, as in all sport, to achieve success on the playing field fairly and safely.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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