Elsalvajeloco Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 UFC Fight Night 38: Shogun vs. Henderson II March 23, 2014 Natal, Rio Grande do Norte, Brazil (Ginásio Nélio Dias) Maurício Rua (205) vs. Dan Henderson (202) - Henderson, TKO (punches), R3 (1:31) Cezar Ferreira (184) vs. C.B. Dollaway (185) - Dollaway, TKO (punches), R1 (0:39) Léonardo Santos (155) vs. Norman Parke (156) - DRAW (majority) Fábio Maldonado (203) vs. Gian Villante (204) - Maldonado, DEC (unanimous) Michel Prazeres (155) vs. Mairbek Taisumov (155) - Prazeres, DEC (unanimous) Rony Jason (145) vs. Steven Siler (146) - Jason, TKO (referee stoppage), R1 (1:17) Fox Sports 1 Preliminary Card: Ronny Markes (190)* vs. Thiago Santos (183) - Santos, TKO (strikes), R1 (0:53) Jussier Formiga (125) vs. Scott Jorgensen (125) - Formiga, SUB (rear naked choke), R1 (3:07) Thiago Perpétuo (170) vs. Kenny Robertson (171) - Robertson, SUB (rear naked choke), R1 (1:45) Francimar Barroso (204) vs. Hans Stringer (204) - Stringer, DEC (split) Fight Pass Preliminary Card: Godofredo Castro (145) vs. Noad Lahat (145) - Castro, KO (flying knee), R1 (2:39) *Chose not to reweigh; forfeits 20% of purse for missing weight Event Bonuses ($50,000): Performance of the Night: Godofredo Castro Performance of the Night: Dan Henderson Fight of the Night: Maurício Rua vs. Dan Henderson Attendance: 6,828 Rating: 936,000 viewers Cancelled Bouts: Gleison Tibau vs. Mairbek Taisumov - Injury to Tibau Diego Brandão vs. Will Chope - Chope Released From UFC contract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 Looking forward to the main event. Though I really liked the first fight, I didn't think it was the 2011 Fight of the Year like most gave it to. There were a number of fights I preferred to it and still do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keith_h Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 Got to go with Shogun this time. Hendo moves like he's underwater lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 Got to go with Shogun this time. Hendo moves like he's underwater lately. I'm going with Shogun as well, possibly by KO/TKO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keith_h Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 Got to go with Shogun this time. Hendo moves like he's underwater lately. I'm going with Shogun as well, possibly by KO/TKO. Yeah I agree with Shogun by TKO. I think Vitor might have finished off what was left of Hendo's chin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epwar Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 Got to go with Shogun this time. Hendo moves like he's underwater lately. Agreed. It also doesn't help that 90% of Henderson's offense nowadays is stalking forward with the H-Bomb ready to swing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Edwin Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 Rony Jason/Siler is an excellent fight. 30-26 Ferreira! Hopefully Chope can put Brandao to sleep again. And FORMIGA/Jorgensen is another fight too. Sucks there's a good chance Jorgensen wins a deicision. This constant UFC card every week is really burning me out as a fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 I think Henderson's age and all the wear and tear from his career has finally set in. He's just looked old and slow in his last several fights. I think he basically peaked around the Fedor fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollywood Cibernetico Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 I didn't enjoy the first fight and both of these guys suck. I don't know how these guys are ranked top ten in UFC. One guy is 6-6 in the UFC while the other guy just came off of three straight losses. Why are they fighting in the main event? Zuffa should have cut both of them a long time ago. Henderson just drew a TERRIBLE buyrate against Evans in the mainevent of UFC 161, so he has effectively proven not to be a draw. Shogun isn't a draw either. A sloppy fight beaten two guys past their primes with shitty records is the mainevent of a show people are excited to watch? The UFC needs to just say 'fuck it' and bring in Baroni, Randleman, Overeem's brother, and Bob Sapp and push them to the moon. LHW rankings continue to be a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted March 20, 2014 Author Share Posted March 20, 2014 ...Well, alright. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Spanish Waiter Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 Wait til he starts talking about women. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Edwin Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 I give up. I just give up. Seriously, I just give up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glfpunk Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 Personally I think this card sucks. It's a shitty main event with a weak undercard. It's a product of the current model of the UFC. Too many shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsalvajeloco Posted March 20, 2014 Author Share Posted March 20, 2014 I say they're not running enough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 Personally I think this card sucks. It's a shitty main event with a weak undercard. It's a product of the current model of the UFC. Too many shows. Not sure how the fight will turn out, but their last fight was a PPV main event and it was one of the greatest fights of all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Edwin Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 Not sure how the fight will turn out, but their last fight was a PPV main event and it was one of the greatest fights of all time. I didn't enjoy the first fight and both of these guys suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glfpunk Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 Personally I think this card sucks. It's a shitty main event with a weak undercard. It's a product of the current model of the UFC. Too many shows. Not sure how the fight will turn out, but their last fight was a PPV main event and it was one of the greatest fights of all time. I can appreciate that opinion for sure because it was an entertaining fight but I'd phrase it as one of the most fun slugfests to watch. Definitely not one of the greatest. It was two dudes who both gassed out and both had great chins. So it was rock em sock em robots basically. Not to mention that since that fight took place both fighters have gone backwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Natural Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 I don't think it was one of the greatest fights of all time either. Felt that way since watching it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollywood Cibernetico Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 The first fight was highly overrated. I do not believe two guys, who were gassed after the 3rd round, spamming punches and showing zero technique in other aspects of their 'diverse' game is an example of a good fight. Tons of heart? Absolutely. Diego Sanchez has heart but is completely one demensional as hell and he can't win anything outside of a fluke decision. Henderson at-this-point is the LHW Roy Nelson. He has one punch and gases easily. Shogun has been trash for a very long time and has shown that outside the first round, he can't hold up. If the fight is left standing and Shogun is able to finish in the first- he looks amazing, but as soon as his opponent begins working on Shogun's Rey Mysterio-like knees, Shogun begins to fade and get out classed. I honestly don't know how anyone can look at these guys UFC records and say 'Yep! They are top ten in the division!'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Roy Nelson isn't one-dimensional. He'll go for a takedown and GnP his opponent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVileOne Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 I can appreciate that opinion for sure because it was an entertaining fight but I'd phrase it as one of the most fun slugfests to watch. Definitely not one of the greatest. It was two dudes who both gassed out and both had great chins. So it was rock em sock em robots basically. Not to mention that since that fight took place both fighters have gone backwards. I mean they are still among the top 10 light heavyweights in the world in one of the tougher divisions in MMA. Shogun's gone 2-2 since that fight. Henderson's in decline, but he's in his 40's and is starting to look his age. And between them, they are two of the most successful fighters in the history of the sport. Also, if you look at the careers of both fighters I'd hesitate to call either one of them incredibly technical with great head movement. To me a good fight can go any number of ways. I thought Condit put in a good technical effort and a smart strategy against Diaz by not getting caught up in his antics which clearly frustrated Diaz, and yet a lot of people complained about it. So I don't know what fans want in a fight sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Edwin Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 I wasn't going to because I thought you were trolling, but might as well and here we go... The first fight was highly overrated. Ok... I do not believe two guys, who were gassed after the 3rd round, spamming punches and showing zero technique in other aspects of their 'diverse' game is an example of a good fight. By this logic, Manhoef/Cyborg, Garcia/KZ I, Frye/Takayama, etc. aren't an "example of a good fight." Also this is bs. Sure they began throwing bombs early on in the fight, but both guys began relying less on throwing bombs and more on their grapplings skills the deeper the fight went. Diego Sanchez has heart but is completely one demensional as hell and he can't win anything outside of a fluke decision. Diego isn't one dimensional. His striking is actually one of the weakest aspects of his game. He's just begun to rely on it because it makes for exciting fights and it gaines him popularity and money. He's actually a good grappler. Which means he's not one dimensional. Watch Diego/Karo as a perfect example of how good of a grappler he actually is. Henderson at-this-point is the LHW Roy Nelson. He has one punch and gases easily. Hendo's cardio has always sucked. He mostly relies on his one punch power because it's his most effect tool and has brought him 5 of his last 7 wins. When his one punch power doesn't payoff, he relies on his wrestling. See Johny Hendricks as another example of a fighter relying primarily on his one punch KO power and then on his wrestling if he doesn't get the KO. Roy Nelson is another good grappler who prefers to put on an exciting fight or get an exciting KO that'll get him more fans, popularity and money than relying mostly on his grappling. Shogun has been trash for a very long time and has shown that outside the first round, he can't hold up. If the fight is left standing and Shogun is able to finish in the first- he looks amazing, but as soon as his opponent begins working on Shogun's Rey Mysterio-like knees, Shogun begins to fade and get out classed. Shogun put an end to the "Machida era" at LHW pretty much by taking him to a close decision many thought he won and then by knocking him out. Shogun was also the LHW champion not to long ago; took Machida to a decision; knocked out Liddell, Machida, Forrest, Vera and Te-Huna and couldn't be finished by the #2 LHW in the world Gus. Sure Shogun has cardio problems in some fights, but since signing with the UFC, Shogun has left the first round 6 times with 3 of those fights going to the judges and 2 of those decisions being controversial decisions that can be argued in favor of Shogun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshEngleman Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 I get what you are saying, but how the hell are you going to reference a Diego Sanchez fight that happened in 2006? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Edwin Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 I get what you are saying, but how the hell are you going to reference a Diego Sanchez fight that happened in 2006? The point is that it proves that he's not one dimensional overall or hasn't been one dimensional overall and has other aspects in his game that he just opts not to use. Someone like Paul Daley, Professor X, Pat Barry, etc. are the true definition of one dimensional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshEngleman Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 I get what you are saying, but how the hell are you going to reference a Diego Sanchez fight that happened in 2006? The point is that it proves that he's not one dimensional overall or hasn't been one dimensional overall and has other aspects in his game that he just opts not to use. Someone like Paul Daley, Professor X, Pat Barry, etc. are the true definition of one dimensional. Again, I understand what you are trying to say, but that absolutely does not prove any point. That fight happened 3 YEARS! before BJ stole his soul, and that fight feels like an eternity ago. It's a different sport now. It very clearly a different Diego Sanchez. I do think he's a decent defensive grappler, but I certainly wouldn't use the Karo fight as the barometer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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