AEW TV - 10/25 - 10/31/2023 - A Lethal Lottery

[TheVileOne]

https://twitter.com/TonyKhan/status/1719450178573181080 

[Godfrey]

1 minute ago, Elsalvajeloco said:

Wait...wouldn't be changing with the times actually require him to embrace the younger generation ala Schiavone (who prior to AEW and even when he was with MLW didn't like a lot of the new stuff) or some of the other guys of Cornette's generation? Ridiculing it seems to bit ass backwards if it's changing with the times.

Also, hell, showing up to an AEW would give him a shitload more content since he would be right there. Imagine if he was as bold as he was when he showed up in ECW? What happened to THAT Jim Cornette? 

He has his tastes as a critic and expresses them in a sometimes shitty manner, I really don't take it as anything more than that. Are you saying the only way to change with the times is to embrace every new idea without any criticism?

And there's a big difference between visiting friends and being part of an inter-promotional angle. I don't think Cornette chose to show up in ECW

[Cobra Commander]

also IIRC, Cornette got some promises in exchange for an ECW appearance that were promptly ignored as soon as the appearance was over.

It'll be 45 tomorrow and in the 30s by the time the show is over tomorrow in Louisville, it wouldn't surprise me if a lot of old dudes just decided to stay home tomorrow night in that area unless they absolutely had to do something. More so for people that are pretty open about how few outside appearances they make.

[Elsalvajeloco]

7 minutes ago, Godfrey said:

He has his tastes as a critic and expresses them in a sometimes shitty manner, I really don't take it as anything more than that. Are you saying the only way to change with the times is to embrace every new idea without any criticism?

Any? No. All. Yes. Moreover, he's not this ombudsman for pro wrestling. He is the foremost historian on every thing pro wrestling of a certain era. Now everything after that era....shaky at best.

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And there's a big difference between visiting friends and being part of an inter-promotional angle. I don't think Cornette chose to show up in ECW

Pretty sure that was in order to help his friend Dennis Coralluzzo (or at least have Heyman do a small make good for fucking him over with the NWA thing in 1994). So yeah, it was his choice.

[Elsalvajeloco]

3 minutes ago, Cobra Commander said:

also IIRC, Cornette got some promises in exchange for an ECW appearance that were promptly ignored as soon as the appearance was over.

It'll be 45 tomorrow and in the 30s by the time the show is over tomorrow in Louisville, it wouldn't surprise me if a lot of old dudes just decided to stay home tomorrow night in that area unless they absolutely had to do something. More so for people that are pretty open about how few outside appearances they make.

...So would it technically be elder abuse if they made Jim stand outside the Yum! Center or whatever venue AEW is running in that area in the freezing cold and then let him in at the end of the show like Bobby Heenan during the very first Raw? That would be hysterical.

[Cobra Commander]

Jim already had a recent podcast story about how long it took him to navigate a DMV recently and one about parking at the hospital... he's already had his monthly excitement of waiting around and trying to navigate through things.

[Elsalvajeloco]

2 minutes ago, Cobra Commander said:

Jim already had a recent podcast story about how long it took him to navigate a DMV recently and one about parking at the hospital... he's already had his monthly excitement of waiting around and trying to navigate through things.

Does Jim need a driver's license now? WTF is he going? His wife can make those runs to the post office to mail shit. 

[Cobra Commander]

Just now, Elsalvajeloco said:

Does Jim need a driver's license now? WTF is he going? His wife can make those runs to the post office to mail shit. 

drivers licenses have to be renewed every few years (in Missouri it's every 6 years)

[odessasteps]

12 minutes ago, Elsalvajeloco said:

Any? No. All. Yes. Moreover, he's not this ombudsman for pro wrestling. He is the foremost historian on every thing pro wrestling of a certain era. Now everything after that era....shaky at best.

Pretty sure that was in order to help his friend Dennis Coralluzzo (or at least have Heyman do a small make good for fucking him over with the NWA thing in 1994). So yeah, it was his choice.

Yeah. Paul was supposed to apologize to Dennis and I think have some kind of detention between the two companies.  I think it was broken by the end of the night.

tangentially, on the new Patreon about Tod Gordon’s book, the “ECW invasion” angle led by Tod on an NWA NJ show was apparently spoiled by JC coming in to book one of the shows and changed the angle/ match Dennis and Tod had agreed to do.

[TheVileOne]

Jeff Jarrett should be fired for attempting to invite Cornette. Embarrassing.

[Elsalvajeloco]

22 minutes ago, Cobra Commander said:

drivers licenses have to be renewed every few years (in Missouri it's every 6 years)

No, I get that part but why does HE in particular need one. This goes especially seeing as imagining Jim being at DMV is hilarious regardless of the circumstances. Now add in the fact that had to drive up his social anxiety something fierce knowing that (in his opinion) it's just the dregs of humanity all convening in one place and a good number of people working there aren't much better.

20 minutes ago, odessasteps said:

Yeah. Paul was supposed to apologize to Dennis and I think have some kind of detention between the two companies.  I think it was broken by the end of the night.

tangentially, on the new Patreon about Tod Gordon’s book, the “ECW invasion” angle led by Tod on an NWA NJ show was apparently spoiled by JC coming in to book one of the shows and changed the angle/ match Dennis and Tod had agreed to do.

Having just gone through at least the original screwjob in 1994 during my rewatch and reading some of the stuff surrounding that, it makes me wonder how Jim hates someone like Herd but somehow friends with Dennis Coralluzzo? He seems like if he was promoting now, he would be a PRIME target of Jim's derision and scorn that Jim had for folks like Russo. Dennis does not come off as the brightest bulb in the room. Like how did you not see this one coming? Admittingly, I am working off just a little bit more than elementary knowledge about the guy but it seems like he was too much of a plain guy to deal with the shark infested waters of pro wrestling. 

[Godfrey]

15 minutes ago, Elsalvajeloco said:

Any? No. All. Yes. Moreover, he's not this ombudsman for pro wrestling. He is the foremost historian on every thing pro wrestling of a certain era. Now everything after that era....shaky at best.

Pretty sure that was in order to help his friend Dennis Coralluzzo (or at least have Heyman do a small make good for fucking him over with the NWA thing in 1994). So yeah, it was his choice.

I didn't know that last part so fair enough, but those are still different circumstances

To the first part, he raves about MJF, FTR, Statlander, Darby Allin, Toni Storm (to a point), Bryan Danielson, Christian, Ricky Starks, Big Bill, Hook, Juice Robinson, the Acclaimed, and Takeshita at least so as I said I think there are aspects of the show that he enjoys. But you are absolutely correct that he has a lot of outdated ideas about how wrestling 'should be'

[Elsalvajeloco]

31 minutes ago, Godfrey said:

I didn't know that last part so fair enough, but those are still different circumstances

Not really, but lol okay.

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To the first part, he raves about MJF, FTR, Statlander, Darby Allin, Toni Storm (to a point), Bryan Danielson, Christian, Ricky Starks, Big Bill, Hook, Juice Robinson, the Acclaimed, and Takeshita at least so as I said I think there are aspects of the show that he enjoys. But you are absolutely correct that he has a lot of outdated ideas about how wrestling 'should be'

Granted, Jim Cornette (the manager) was known to say some wild shit from time to time, Jim at least knows (or at one point, knew) how to navigate the delicate balance of being the fly in the ointment and just being a downright detriment to something. At some point, he lost touch with that cause half of these sycophants who follow him are the guys Jim was fighting off trying to leave arenas back in the day cause he had so much heat. In addition to that, it's weird for someone who for the longest was VERY protective of pro wrestling to be the be the most renown person shitting on pro wrestling. You could say it's age but Jim ain't THAT old. He's younger than what most people would think he is. I am not going to blame that one crazy dude who was his fan who jumped in the ring on him cause that would be grossly unfair, BUT I will blame the environment from the narratives he is creating. That environment is not only harmful to pro wrestling, but it's making people who have no other way to channel their anger and frustrations in hating people they have no earthly clue about it. A good portion of them would cower or duck away if they saw a lot of these folks from present wrestling in public (from the smallest to the biggest and from male to female to non-binary). Now he MAY believe it's just an elaborate work, but they don't know. So what happens when one of these assholes who don't know run up on the wrong person (or persons) or harass somebody and one of these wrestlers harkens back to the good ole days Cornette fondly remembers and stumps them to sleep? Is he just going to do like he did the one guy and throw him under the bus and not take any accountability? That's my primary issue.

I mean I said it a couple years ago now in this same forum IIRC, but he is abusing his place in pro wrestling. If it was a Phil Mushnick, no one would care cause first of all no real pro wrestling fan would listen to him. However, because it's Jim Cornette who earned his statue in pro wrestling through various works, he can command that attention and then unjustly abuse it.

[Godfrey]

 

8 minutes ago, Elsalvajeloco said:

BUT I will blame the environment from the narratives he is creating. That environment is not only harmful to pro wrestling, but it's making people who have no other way to channel their anger and frustrations in hating people they have no earthly clue about it. A good portion of them would cower or duck away if they saw a lot of these folks from present wrestling in public (from the smallest to the biggest and from male to female to non-binary). Now he MAY believe it's just an elaborate work, but they don't know. So what happens when one of these assholes who don't know run up on the wrong person (or persons) or harass somebody and one of these wrestlers harkens back to the good ole days Cornette fondly remembers and stumps them to sleep? Is he just going to do like he did the one guy and throw him under the bus and not take any accountability? That's my primary issue.

Okay, I understand better now. If you believe that he's doing that, I get everything that you wrote. I don't, and I think there are a number of harmful narratives surrounding AEW that we'll have to wade through to eventually find the truth

[Elsalvajeloco]

5 minutes ago, Godfrey said:

 

Okay, I understand better now. If you believe that he's doing that, I get everything that you wrote. I don't, and I think there are a number of harmful narratives surrounding AEW that we'll have to wade through to eventually find the truth

Hell the truth is staring at you right in the face. I dunno what to say if you can look at some to the dreck that his acolytes post on Twitter (via stuff that Cornette has said on his podcast) and think well, "yeah, these are some well balanced and well adjusted people". And that's even taking into account what we know about wrestling fans, period. I mean you can say it's a lateral move cause he spent years making money off of "marks" and now he's just profiting* off the lowest common denominator instead. 

*I use the asterisk just he is probably making some, but he ain't J.P. Morgan. It's a very niche world he's dealing from to begin with and a small operation. How can you criticize your friends for selling out, but you're making a smaller amount to cause more harm than what they're doing?

[ExcellenceofAirPollution]

I'm in the minority of AEW fans who listens to and generally enjoys the Cornette pods.  I've been thinking about writing a post about that for a while but I don't really have the energy.  And this thread is about to be locked.

I'll just say that I agree that he's actively harmful to the overall discourse, he's biased as fuck and he has some horrible opinions.  The AEW talk is the worst part of the shows.  I like when him and Brian are riffing on old comedy and tv shows and random bullshit more than the wrestling talk at this point, rather they'd just do a show like that.  Jim is still a funny motherfucker.  I was a 605 listener and find Brian entertaining, funny and knowledgeable about all sorts of random minutia wrestling and otherwise.  Seems like a dick, but he's pretty unapologetic about it.  Reminds me of some people I've known.  I'm amazed that him and Jim have lasted so long, most of Brian's other podcast relationships have blown up over one thing or another, but I guess misery loves company.

Maybe move this to the podcast thread?

[Cobra Commander]

1 hour ago, Elsalvajeloco said:

No, I get that part but why does HE in particular need one.

probably because he's always had one and if there's something he needs to do, he wants to be able to do it.. 

also looking online, Kentucky requires renewals every 4 years but they also don't have age-related stipulations for older drivers. So if he keeps renewing, he doesn't have to do any of the testing if you need to drive in the future.

If Jim had gotten a Real ID renewal, he could have been in the clear until 2031 but he didn't. While I can see why "a license that makes you able to board airplanes" is a low priority for Jim, he might like avoiding DMVs for 8 years at a time.

[Elsalvajeloco]

2 minutes ago, Cobra Commander said:

probably because he's always had one and if there's something he needs to do, he wants to be able to do it.. 

also looking online, Kentucky requires renewals every 4 years but they also don't have age-related stipulations for older drivers. So if he keeps renewing, he doesn't have to do any of the testing if you need to drive in the future.

If Jim had gotten a Real ID renewal, he could have been in the clear until 2031 but he didn't. While I can see why "a license that makes you able to board airplanes" is a low priority for Jim, he might like avoiding DMVs for 8 years at a time.

Fair enough, but if one of the five trips you've made in the last five years is the DMV, then it's like saving up your money to go to Vegas but just to walk around and not gamble.

I am guessing he still has Black Beauty?

[Cobra Commander]

4 minutes ago, Elsalvajeloco said:

Fair enough, but if one of the five trips you've made in the last five years is the DMV, then it's like saving up your money to go to Vegas but just to walk around and not gamble.

I am guessing he still has Black Beauty?

hey, what if you wanna go to Vegas to eat casino food instead of gamble

I suspect he has the same vehicle because trying to buy anything new in the last 3 years would have been a multipart ordeal that would go against his cosmic ideal of "things must be the same as they were 40 years ago" that he's trying to live by

[Stefanie Sparkleface]

2 minutes ago, Cobra Commander said:

hey, what if you wanna go to Vegas to eat casino food instead of gamble

I suspect he has the same vehicle because trying to buy anything new in the last 3 years would have been a multipart ordeal that would go against his cosmic ideal of "things must be the same as they were 40 years ago" that he's trying to live by

WELL GOD DAMN A PUSH BUTTON START WHATEVER HAPPENED TO TURNING THE KEY IN THE IGNITION LIKE CARS USED TO BE WHEN MY AUNT LOLA MADE HER FAMOUS NANNER PUDDIN' FOR ME

[odessasteps]

10 minutes ago, Elsalvajeloco said:

Fair enough, but if one of the five trips you've made in the last five years is the DMV, then it's like saving up your money to go to Vegas but just to walk around and not gamble.

I am guessing he still has Black Beauty?

Yes, one of the funnier bits of late was him describing how to take it downtown to park at a city hospital to visit a sick relative.

also, he had a sweet (well, for him) about watching monster movies on TV growing up with Mama C, during a chat about Svengooli on metv.

[Elsalvajeloco]

Man, I am a sick individual just for thinking about this, but god forbid he take that thing to an AEW show and someone pulls what Crush (I believe he was the perp who came up with the rib) did at that Raw in Atlantic City and someone takes out his rear windshield on a hiptoss again. At least this time, he would not have to drive all the way back to Connecticut and being scared to leave his car alone stopping to get a bite to eat. Fuck a CM Punk. He may legit try to kill Tony Khan.