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We're too soon into this run of TK owning ROH to get any answers to these questions probably. But I wonder if The Six Man Titles are still recognized. No mention of them and most of the members in that group are in Impact and CYN right? Also why did they go to the retro World & Tag Titles, but kept the updated designs for the TV & Women's Titles. (I know Women's was previously the WOH Title and this is the first design for that belt). But you know what I mean. Different eras' titles and different logos on everything. I'm sure as time progresses we'll get a more unified branding. Just interesting to me to see this stuff in real time be handled kind of randomly.

I believe you. There's just no proof because 65% of the match happened during a commercial for TV viewers. We picked up about where he hit the Reverse Spanish Fly. So we missed out on the whole flow of the beginning stuff. Hard to really sing the praises of something we only saw roughly half of.

Wow a tale of two hours this week. Man the crowd was molten hot for the start of the show all the way through making Wardlow look like peak Goldberg over. Then hour two fell off a cliff. That awful Pillman promo and the whole mess of a House of Black segment. The Rosa promo. Throwing two women out in the main with a combined like ONE AEW TV match between them. Just a lot of odd choices that murdered that crowd. But man that Wardlow segment made up for all of it. He looked like $2million bucks. Also why even do Fenix vs Dante if we're missing cool ass shit and more than half of the match to a commercial?

Yeah count me in on that Legends DLC. Arn, Tully, Jake, Tall Paul, Mark Henry, Taz, & maybe even Aja Kong & Awesome Kong. Could even toss Jeff Hardy in the legends DLC. DDP & Glacier too lol. Just thinking of any legends that have appeared in AEW. Hurricane did, but he's a WWE agent so no way. Bret did but that's doubtful. Didn't Madusa present the women's title? I'd save Brodie Lee for a separate Dark Order DLC that also has Negative One and Silver, Reynolds, Colt, Uno, & Anna Jay. Just make him Negative One as tall as John Silver and skinny and it could work. And hey, more royalties for Brodie's family that way. Could easily come up with two or three more packs of left out people. We'll see how hard they wanna go with additions. I'd say Cody is almost surely not in it. Even if they have a 100% finished character model. Just not a smart business move to include him. He was gone as of January too. So it's not like it'd be a hasty decision that would gut the game. It would be nice if he were there but I don't expect it.

Episode 5 was great. Yes, I did just watch the finale. My opinion? Episode 5 was great. I didn't like this story in totality. Too disjointed and just not my thing. If it stayed psychological thriller with more great content from the mental institution we'd have something. But instead they just spammed the 'Scorpion King' button. And it just didn't scratch that itch for me. And for clarity I know nothing about this character beyond this show. I sense the Egypt stuff is a core part of it. But it just bored me to death.

I imagine Omega's involvement going down a lot like this... KO: Hey everyone, let's see how the game is looking. Yukes: *shows him a game that isn't No Mercy* KO: Good stuff guys but it's not looking right. Here let's have another 28 minute ladder match in No Mercy. Yukes: But Kenny we have no spare time KO: Guys you aren't hitting the mark. This is the research part of research & development. And I'm okay with that lol. I too want No Mercy.

A 50 person roster is going to be met with some disappointment. 40ish men and 10ish women probably? Bunch of fun people being left out. Oh well, if the game play is there I'll be happy.

Agreed. Chuck was the one doing all the shitty things to Jimmy. The title of the episode was Hit & Run, so I breathed a sigh of relief that all they did with Howard's car was a hooker deal. I thought for sure they were going to hit someone with his car on purpose, or have it happen as an accident they had to roll with.

If I pulled into that therapist lot and I'm a customer and it's the last spot, that cone is getting chucked as far away as humanly possible ?

Let's say WWE own's 5,000 trademarks they keep active (just a plausible guess, could be more, could be less). Multiply that by $300 a pop (roughly)... and that comes out to $1.5million dollars. Which is a wayyy higher number than I expected before doing the math. But that $1.5million is a drop in the bucket to them when compared to letting the talent own the trademarks. How much money could Bray Wyatt generate if he owned that name and The Fiend likeness? Way more than that $1.5million just by himself. So it's a cost associated with defending their market share / not handing anyone else ready made acts that could help them grow. In that sense sure, AEW saves money over WWE by not owning the talent trademarks. But they also lose out on that market share defense. (Which I don't think they care about in the slightest to be fair).

Wait they really built up to a unification for 3 or 4 weeks and then bait & switched it with a bland ass six man tag? Why does anyone watch this? They treat the viewers like idiots. They almost never deliver on anything they promise anymore. Mind blowing stuff.

That's a Dexter reboot he world needs to see lol

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I certainly wouldn't be mad at that. But I don't feel like it's very likely. If Dax were going to win it, it would have to be the start of a singles push for him. Which again I'm not against. Dax as TNT Champion would be dope. But I don't see it likely that they give him a singles push while holding two sets of tag titles. And also it would sideline Cash for a bit. If you give Dax the win without a singles push, then like why? He'd have just beat a bunch of awesome singles wrestlers and he should be pushed ahead of them all. Just doing it to do it doesn't seem like the AEW booking style.

Those brackets are only based on the order the qualifiers have happened in. AEW hasn't said that is or isn't how that would happen. *Also don't click that link if you don't want The Rampage qualifier spoiled for you*

Yeah some of those probable matches don't seem very probable to me. FTR feels like they should get the tag title shot. Even if that's not what was penciled in a month ago, it should be now. Athena isn't even in the company. How is she probable for a TBS Title match? lol The Owen tournaments seem pretty stacked so far. Will be interesting to see who the finals are in each bracket. We only have the partial field so far but I'm gonna go with Adam Cole vs Samoa Joe and Toni Storm vs Britt Baker based off of who we have so far.

It's so weird to see Daily's Place all dressed up to host the draft party. With all those pandemic Dynamites it's like my brain is rejecting any look to that building that doesn't involve a wrestling ring.

I'm probably a little higher on Jones than most but even I like this move. Jones is going to have a chip on his shoulder this year. And that just might be the missing piece he needs to ball out. Buttttt it's probably more likely to swing the other way. He has no job security so he starts forcing things even more than he already does. I don't know how his fumbles lost number can go up, but I bet it does.

I loved this episode. This was interesting and compelling stuff. This show is tale of two extremes. The bad episodes are really bad. But the good episodes are really good. I don't know if the series would have worked if the whole thing was set in the mental institution from the get go. But they should have tried. Because this was far better than The Scorpion King wanna be episodes.

No worries, I don't take it as a shot at all lol. It was definitely not as good as what WCW was doing at the time. But dude it was fucking worlds better than the warmed over shit WWE had been doing. The land of garbage men and plumbers and whatever the fuck a Portuguese Man of War was supposed to be. One week Bret tearing apart the United States in promos and getting booed out of the building then the next week they'd be in Canada or Europe and he'd be the biggest star in the world. It was so cutting edge and soooooo much better than what the main event scene had been doing. The boyhood dream Shawn Michaels shit. Bulldog's wife fake sexual assault thing. Cowboy Shawn beating Sid. Sid vs Undertaker as a panic backup plan when Shawn didn't want to job and forgot how to smile. The US vs Canada angle was soooo much better than all of this. Plus it lead to killlerrrrr matches like the Canadian Stampede ten man tags. I get that sometimes stuff just doesn't click with certain people for whatever reason. But I think you had the minority view on that at the time. Austin was in and out of the story doing cool Austin shit. The Bret / Shawn promos & Sunny Days. The only part of the angle I will concede is The Patriot getting shoe horned into it. That didn't fit the aesthetic of what WWE was becoming at all. But that was a short period of an 8 month run of legitimate great stuff. It kind of blows my mind people could find this story lame and cringe but not the stuff WWE was doing in 1995 & 1996. Really? lol

Loved the way they had FTR enter through separate tunnels at the same time. That match was solid. But god damn did this crowd suck. The past 3 / 4 weeks I've praised how good the crowds were but this week was bad. They would be dead. Then chant shit out of nowhere. Then back to dead. I have no idea why. But it really hurt this match in the same way a hot ass crowd would have elevated it. It was dope seeing the real Wardlow get a chance to peak out. They've had him so limited for so long, once the handcuffs are off dude will blow your mind with the kind of stuff he's capable of. I've hated the Alex 4th grader Halloween costume but I will give them credit for having a plan with it. One cool moment doesn't really negate weeks of cringe. But at least they were doing it for a reason and not just because people thought it looked good or added to the act. Where's JT at? Has his opinion of Kaz letting Scorp jump the line changed since Scorpio was successful? Sammy & Tay are so hated and it happened so quick. Could do without the gimmicked barbed wire tho. You're telling me exposed backs crashing into barbed wire leave no marks / punctures? Rightt....

It's hard to pin down your agenda with this one lol. I will again just point out that no one here is pushing back and saying god damn pal it was all those crispy matches Austin had and not his storylines that got him over. The truth is it takes both to get over like he did. And the Bret story in 1997 is one of the best of all time. The heel in The US and baby everywhere else promos and backstage segments are some of the best in the history of the business. And with that I will point out Austin was still doing Austin shit in 1997 far before the screwjob. Abducting Bret's ambulance and beating the shit out of him has nothing to do with a good wrestling match. So your stance is that none of these stories or moments matter before the screwjob? Because that's a bonkers take. Stunning McMahon, abducting Bret, breaking Pillman's ankle... there's probably a dozen more non-wrestling match moments he had before the screwjob that did as much to build him as any wrestling match did. The gas was already on before the screwjob. The screwjob was just the spark that put the fire on the stove. And tons of shit contributed to the gas being on already. Bret's matches with him. Bret's stories with him. His stories with Vince. All of that shit is pre screwjob. So saying none of that shit built him or had anything to do with his success is revisionist at best. And just totally wrong at worst.

Austin hit The Stunner on Vince at MSG in September 1997. Your post would contend that 1) Austin wasn't already insanely over by the time he Stunned McMahon and 2) that Austin Stunning Vince had no thematic connection to Austin feuding with Vince post screwjob. Both of which are wrong. I get your premise, but you're a little off. Without KOTR 1996, SS 1996 against Bret, WM 13 in 1997 against Bret, and that September 1997 Stunner on Vince, Austin would not have been ready / over enough to step into that role. 50% of those milestones involve Bret. He had a gigantic hand in getting Austin to the next level. Once there, Austin & Vince got him to several levels above where Bret ever hit. But regardless saying the screwjob & not Bret is what led to Austin's accent is just wrong. Austin was already made man way before the screwjob even happened. Ratings are something we use as a data point in out arguments. But I'd have a hard time using ratings as proof on this case. Because WWE's internal philosophy changed so much post screwjob. I would contend that the crash tv / Jerry Springer trash tv style they adopted post screwjob makes it kind of like comparing apples and oranges to compare 1997 numbers vs 1998 numbers.

I doubt NXT goes back The Network too. They won't get a huge rights increase for it, but certainly the numbers it does will justify another deal like the current one. It's not like USA was paying a boatload, Wrestlenomics reported $30 million a year. Maybe they shave that back to $25 million a year just on the slight drop since they moved off of the war. Or maybe they keep that same number. But WWE get nothing if they put it back on WWE Network. And if my math is correct $30 million is better than $0. That new Summer Slam logo is pure garbage. Straight dookie.

I guess you could do other work arounds. I thought Flash ended up in Keaton's universe and brings him to the current one was the idea of what's happening. And that Batgirl is in the current universe and not the one Keaton is from. So if you wanted to stick to that you'd need a reason for Keaton's Batman being transported to the current universe. But I didn't consider they could just ret-con Batgirl to be in Keaton's universe. I still don't see that happening tho. I know Ezra has a ton of negative press right now, and just toxic in general. But they spent a shit ton of money on making the movie. And it's the last Batfleck one, the Keaton return, the big multiverse deal. They put a lot of eggs into this basket and if they just abandon it because Miller is a being a toxic shithead it throws off a lot of other projects. The public has a short memory. If Ezra can go 6 months without fighting people or causing trouble all will be forgotten. Or at least I assume that is what the studio is hoping for.