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There's a whole lot of El Dandy we haven't seen. A whole lot.

I really dug the Andre match extra. Seeing him in a packed arena like that working heel is so awesome (Andre/Hansen is still my favorite match). It almost made me think of him as Flair working to get territorial babyfaces over in how the match went.

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Disc 3 Rankings:

 

1. Gran Cochise vs. Satanico (9/14/84)

 

2. Satanico vs. Shiro Koshinaka (Hair vs. Hair) (7/30/84)

 

3. El Satanico y Espectro Jr. vs. El Faraon y La Fiera (8/12/84)

 

4. Perro Aguayo vs. Sangre Chicana vs. El Faraon vs. Villano III (Elimination Match) (10/84)

 

5. Satanico vs. Super Astro (10/84)

 

6. Sangre Chicana vs. MS-1 (Hair vs. Hair) (9/21/84)

 

7. Villano III vs. Perro Aguayo (10/7/84)

 

8. Javier Cruz, Impacto y Solar II vs. El Dandy, Franco Colombo y Panico (10/84)

 

9. Atlantis, Ringo Mendoza y Tony Salazar vs. El Satanico, MS-1 y Espectro Jr. (10/84)

 

This was the hardest disc to rank on the set so far by a wide margin. I mean 4-8 are basically interchangeable. I really wanted to have the Cruz-Dandy match higher here but I couldn't justify it because of the clipping and the entire first fall being missing. The Los Infernales tag is very good so that says how good this set is when a very good match finishes last on a disc. Also, I enjoyed the Andre-Canek clips. Andre looked tremendous.

 

MVP: Satanico - He wins this by a landslide. He has four of the top five matches on this list and managed to have one of the greatest performances in wrestling history in the match with Cochise.

 

Honorable Mention: Perro Aguayo - I want to mention a new name for every honorable mention on each disk so I chose Perro here. I liked him a lot in the title match with Villano III and thought he was better in some ways. Of course, he was awesome in the elimination match and his showdown with Chicana was great.  

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My disc 1 rankings are complete: 

 

1. MS-1 vs. Sangre Chicana (9/23/83) 

2. Satoru Sayama y Gran Hamada vs. Perro Aguayo y Baby Face (4/13/80) 

3. Atlantis y El Hijo del Santo vs. Fuerza Guerrera y Lobo Rubio (11/25/83) 

4. Espectro Jr., Satanico y MS-1 vs. Mocho Cota, Sangre Chicana y La Fiera (9/30/83) 

5. Kevin von Erich, Mascara Ano 2000 y Halcon Ortiz v. Coloso Colosetti, Pirata Morgan y Herodes (9/23/83)

6. Sangre Chicana vs. Ringo Mendoza (10/28/83)

7. Tatsumi Fujinami vs. El Canek (6/12/83)

8. El Canek vs. Don Corleone (2/14/82) 

9. Centurion Negro vs. Gran Hamada (2/14/82) 

10. Andre the Giant & Cien Caras vs. Alfonso Dantes, Herodes y Sangre Chicana (1981)

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Just got DirecTV.  I get free HBO until the end of the year.  Every episode of like all of their shows is on demand. 

 

Game of Thrones is killing my watching time for this set.

 

I'll get back to it soon!

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1985 rankings:

1.) La Fiera, El Faraón y El Egipico vs. MS-1, Satanico y Pirata Morgan (3/29/85)

2.) El Solitario vs. Dr. Wagner (Mask vs. Mask) (12/1/85)

3.) El Hijo del Santo & Black Shadow Jr. vs. Espanto Jr. & Eskeletor (12/1/85)

4.) Atlantis vs. El Faraón (3/22/85)

5.) Raul Reyes Jr. & Climax vs Mocho Cota & Loco Zavala Sonora 1985
6.) Americo Rocca vs. El Talisman (3/29/85)

7.) Lizmark, Mil Mascaras & Valente Fernandez vs. Sangre Chicana, Angel Blanco & Angel Blanco Jr. (12/1/85)

 

The top match here is in my top 4 or 5 so far. Number 2 is close to the middle and everything else is scattered around the bottom half.

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DISC 4 RANKINGS 
 
1. La Fiera, El Faraón y El Egipico vs. MS-1, Satanico y Pirata Morgan (3/29/85)
2. El Hijo del Santo & Black Shadow Jr. vs. Espanto Jr. & Eskeletor (12/1/85)
3. Gran Cochise, Villano III y Rayo De Jalisco Jr. vs. Fishman, Mocho Cota y Tony Bennetto (11/30/84)
4. Sangre Chicana vs. Villano III (12/7/84)
5. Lizmark, Mil Mascaras & Valente Fernandez vs. Sangre Chicana, Angel Blanco & Angel Blanco Jr. (12/1/85)
6. Javier Cruz vs. El Dandy (Hair vs. Hair) (10/26/84)
7. Raul Reyes Jr. & Climax vs. Mocho Cota & Loco Zavala (Sonora 1985) (Youtube)
8. Americo Rocca vs. El Talisman (3/29/85)
9. Atlantis vs. El Faraón (3/22/85)
 
This is like the clipping disc. Chicana/Villano is hurt worst but the tags save the day despite their butchery. The big singles matches pretty much get crushed on this one.
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1986

 

1.) Espanto Jr. vs El Hijo Del Santo (Mask vs. Mask) (8/31/86)

2.) La Fiera vs. Babyface (8/15/86)

3.) Sangre Chicana vs. Perro Aguayo (Hair vs. Hair) (2/28/86)

4.) Americo Rocca, Cacharro Mendoza y Kung Fu vs. El Talisman, El Dandy y Guerrero Negro (September 1986)

5.) Babyface, Cien Caras y Mascara Ano 2000 vs. Lizmark, Rayo De Jalisco y La Fiera (September 1986)

6.) Pirata Morgan, BabyFace y Cien Caras vs. La Fiera, Lizmark y Rayo De Jalisco Jr. (September 1986)

7.) Rayo De Jalisco Jr. vs. Mascara Ano 2000 (8/15/86)

8.) Blue Panther, El Talisman y El Dandy vs. Stuka, America Rocca y Chamaco Valaguez (11/86)

9.) Ringo Mendoza, Atlantis y Ultraman vs. Satanico, Masakre y MS-1, (September 1986)

10.) Lizmark, Alfonso Dantes y Tony Salazar vs. El Signo, El Texano y Negro Navarro) (8/15/86)

11.) Americo Rocca, Ringo Mendoza y Tony Salazar vs. Negro Navarro, El Signo y El Texano (Hair vs. Hair) (9/19/86)

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disk 6 rankings

 

1. Babyface, Cien Caras y Mascara Ano 2000 vs. Lizmark, Rayo De Jalisco y La Fiera (September 1986)

2. El Satanico, MS-1 y Masakre vs. Rayo de Jalisco Jr., La Fiera y Tony Salazar (3/20/87)3. Rayo de Jalisco Jr., Atlantis y Alfonso Dantes vs. MS-1, El Satanico y El Dandy (3/27/87)4. Atlantis, El Hijo del Santo y Tony Salazar vs. El Satanico, El Dandy y Espectro Jr. (4/3/87)5. Jerry Estrada, Pirata Morgan y Hombre Bala vs. Atlantis, Alfonso Dantes y Rayo De Jalisco Jr. (Feb 1987)

6. Blue Panther, El Talisman y El Dandy vs. Stuka, America Rocca y Chamaco Valaguez (11/86)

7. Lizmark, La Fiera y Kung Fu vs. Pirata Morgan, Hombre Bala y Jerry Estrada (2/27/87)8. Tony Salazar, Mogur y Alfonso Dantes vs. Hombre Bala, Talisman y Tony Bennetto vs. Satanico, MS-1 y Masakre (4/10/87)9. Americo Rocca, Javier Cruz y Chamaco Valaguez vs. Talisman, El Dandy y Guerrero Negro (3/13/87)

10. Americo Rocca, Ringo Mendoza y Tony Salazar vs. Negro Navarro, El Signo y El Texano (9/19/86) 

 

Lots of good wrestling here but this was the first disk where nothing blew me away.  The next disk looks like a welcome change of pace.

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DISC 5 RANKINGS
 
1. Espanto Jr. vs El Hijo Del Santo (Mask vs. Mask) (8/31/86)
2. La Fiera vs. Babyface (8/15/86)
3. Sangre Chicana vs. Perro Aguayo (Hair vs. Hair) (2/28/86)

4. Ringo Mendoza, Atlantis y Ultraman vs. Satanico, Masakre y MS-1, (September 1986)

5. Pirata Morgan, BabyFace y Cien Caras vs. La Fiera, Lizmark y Rayo De Jalisco Jr. (September 1986)
6. Americo Rocca, Cacharro Mendoza y Kung Fu vs. El Talisman, El Dandy y Guerrero Negro (September 1986)
7,El Solitario vs. Dr. Wagner (Mask vs. Mask) (12/1/85)
8,Rayo De Jalisco Jr. vs. Mascara Ano 2000 (8/15/86)
9. Lizmark, Alfonso Dantes y Tony Salazar vs. El Signo, El Texano y Negro Navarro (8/15/86)
 
Super, super disc all around. Top 3 are in the top ten, 4 and 5 are in the top twenty easily. So fucking good, if you don't have this set you need it.
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disk 7 rankings

 

1. Cien Caras vs. Siglo XX (4/10/87)2. El Dandy, Magico y Super Astro vs. Gran Cochise, Javier Cruz y Javier Rocca (11/11/87)3. Arandu vs. Guerrero Negro (1988)4. Mogur vs. As Charro (9/18/87)5. Pirata Morgan, Hombre Bala y Verdugo vs. Atlantis, Angel Azteca y Ringo Mendoza (3/88)6. El Hijo del Santo vs. Negro Casas (7/18/87)7. El Hijo Del Santo vs. Espanto Jr. (4/10/88)8. Atlantis vs. Emilio Charles Jr. (8/12/88)

9. Blue Panther/Sergio El Hermosa v. Super Astro/Solar (10/17/87)

10. Kung Fu v. Javier Cruz (3/88)

11. Kato Kung Lee vs. Kung Fu (4/29/88)

 

Great, great disk.  Gives disk 5 a run for its money; it might not have as high highs but it was amazingly consistent and had a lot of variety plus some out of nowhere (for me at least) classics. 

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Do other people have issues with Disc 3. For me, when I click on Atlantis, Ringo Mendoza y Tony Salazar vs. El Satanico, MS-1 y Espectro Jr. (9/28/84) I get Villano III vs. Perro Aguayo (10/7/84) and I thought the matches might just be switched but then when I click on Villano III vs. Perro Aguayo (10/7/84) I think I get the Super Astro vs Satanico match. I think the Panico match gives me what it's supposed to though. I feel like this was explained somewhere and I just missed it. 

 

EDIT: ok I listened to the party and figured it out. 

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Disc 1 Rankings:

  • MS-1 vs. Sangre Chicana (9/23/83)
  • Sangre Chicana vs. Ringo Mendoza (10/28/83)
  • Atlantis y El Hijo del Santo vs. Fuerza Guerrera y Lobo Rubio (11/25/83)
  • El Canek vs. Don Corleone (2/14/82)
  • Centurion Negro vs. Gran Hamada (2/14/82)
  • Satoru Sayama y Gran Hamada vs. Perro Aguayo y Baby Face (4/13/80)
  • Espectro Jr., Satanico y MS-1 vs. Mocho Cota, Sangre Chicana y La Fiera (9/30/83)
  • Kevin von Erich, Mascara Ano 2000 y Halcon Ortiz v. Coloso Colosetti, Pirata Morgan y Herodes (9/23/83)
  • Tatsumi Fujinami vs. El Canek (6/12/83)
  • Andre the Giant & Cien Caras vs. Alfonso Dantes, Herodes y Sangre Chicana (1981)

Really good set so far.

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DISC 6 RANKINGS
 
1. Babyface, Cien Caras y Mascara Ano 2000 vs. Lizmark, Rayo De Jalisco y La Fiera (September 1986)
2. Atlantis, El Hijo del Santo y Tony Salazar vs. El Satanico, El Dandy y Espectro Jr. (4/3/87)
3. Rayo de Jalisco Jr., Atlantis y Alfonso Dantes vs. MS-1, El Satanico y El Dandy (3/27/87)
4. Tony Salazar, Mogur y Alfonso Dantes vs. Hombre Bala, Talisman y Tony Bennetto vs. Satanico, MS-1 y Masakre (4/10/87)
5. Americo Rocca, Ringo Mendoza y Tony Salazar vs. Negro Navarro, El Signo y El Texano (Hair vs. Hair) (9/19/86)
6. El Satanico, MS-1 y Masakre vs. Rayo de Jalisco Jr., La Fiera y Tony Salazar (3/20/87)
7. Blue Panther, El Talisman y El Dandy vs. Stuka, America Rocca y Chamaco Valaguez (11/86)
8. Jerry Estrada, Pirata Morgan y Hombre Bala vs. Atlantis, Alfonso Dantes y Rayo De Jalisco Jr. (Feb 1987)
9. Americo Rocca, Javier Cruz y Chamaco Valaguez vs. Talisman, El Dandy y Guerrero Negro (3/13/87)
10. Lizmark, La Fiera y Kung Fu vs. Pirata Morgan, Hombre Bala y Jerry Estrada (2/27/87)
 
What a hard disc to rate. Since it's all trios the matches can get confused in your head; luckily I'm keeping all my reviews in a separate file. #1 is stellar, 2-5 could duke it out pretty hard, 6 and 7 are solid but lower, 9 and 10 are just okay. This is full of great wrestling but it wears on you after awhile; luckily some of the matches are pretty short (and surprisingly #2 which is really short is really good). 
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Disc 2 Rankings:

 

1. Mocho Cota vs. Americo Rocca (1/27/84)

2. Enrique Vera vs. Dos Caras (2/26/84)

3. Mocho Cota vs. Americo Rocca (2/3/84)

4. Tony Salazar vs. Herodes (3/2/84)

5. Lizmark vs. El Satanico (April 1984)

6  Atlantis vs. El Satanico (1984)

7. Atlantis y Lizmark vs. El Egipcio y El Faraon (2/17/84)

8. El Faraon, Herodes, y Mocho Cota vs. Lizmark, Ringo Mendoza, y Tony Salazar (2/24/84)

9. Jerry Estrada vs. Ultraman (3/2/84)

10. Solar, Ultraman, y Super Astro vs. Sergio El Hermoso, Bello Greco, y Rudy Reyna (2/26/84)

11. Hijo del Santo, Ringo Mendoza y Chamaco Valaguez vs. Jerry Estrada, Fuerza Guerrera y Talisman (3/9/84)

 

 

I was particularly fond of the top 4 on this disc. Three strong title matches and a wonderfully old fasioned brawl. Mocho Cota is flavour of the month and rightly so. Did he even have another singles bout that made tape? I was going to mention how bad the finishes generally were but then I remembered what decade I'm watching. So I'll just say that the finishes on this disc were 80's.

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1987

 

1.) El Hijo del Santo vs. Negro Casas (Mask vs. Hair) (7/18/87)

2.) Jerry Estrada, Pirata Morgan y Hombre Bala vs. Atlantis, Alfonso Dantes y Rayo De Jalisco Jr. (Feb 1987)

3.) El Satanico, MS-1 y Masakre vs. Rayo de Jalisco Jr., La Fiera y Tony Salazar (3/20/87)

4.) Blue Panther/Sergio El Hermosa v. Super Astro/Solar (10/17/87)

5.) Atlantis, El Hijo del Santo y Tony Salazar vs. El Satanico, El Dandy y Espectro Jr. (4/3/87)

6.) Mogur vs. As Charro (Mask vs. Mask) (9/18/87)

7.) Cien Caras vs. Siglo XX (4/10/87)

8.) Rayo de Jalisco Jr., Atlantis y Alfonso Dantes vs. MS-1, El Satanico y El Dandy (3/27/87)

9.) Lizmark, La Fiera y Kung Fu vs. Pirata Morgan, Hombre Bala y Jerry Estrada (2/27/87)

10.) Americo Rocca, Javier Cruz y Chamaco Valaguez vs. Talisman, El Dandy y Guerrero Negro (3/13/87)

11.) Tony Salazar, Mogur y Alfonso Dantes vs. Hombre Bala, Talisman y Tony Bennetto vs. Satanico, MS-1 y Masakre (4/10/87)

12.) El Dandy, Magico y Super Astro vs. Gran Cochise, Javier Cruz y Javier Rocca (11/11/87)

1988

 

1.) Pirata Morgan, Hombre Bala y Verdugo vs. Atlantis, Angel Azteca y Ringo Mendoza (3/88)

2.) Pirata Morgan vs. El Dandy (Hair vs. Hair) (9/23/88)

3.) El Hijo Del Santo vs. Espanto Jr. (4/10/88)

4.) Atlantis vs. Emilio Charles Jr. (8/12/88)

5.) Arandu vs. Guerrero Negro (Hair vs. Hair) (1988)

6.) Kung Fu v. Javier Cruz (3/88)

7.) Mogur vs. Mascara Ano 2000 (Mask vs. Mask) (9/23/88)

8.) Blue Demon, Blue Demon Jr. y Ringo Mendoza vs. Emilio Charles Jr., Pirata Morgan y Satanico (11/25/88)

9.) Kato Kung Lee vs. Kung Fu (Mask vs. Hair) (4/29/88)

 

This is going to be really hard to rank in the end. A lot of these rankings feel like they could change when I go back and organize my ballot.

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disk 8

 

1. Sangre Chicana vs. Satanico (5/26/89)

2. Emilio Charles, Fabuloso Blondy y Pirata Morgan vs. El Dandy, Atlantis & El Faraón (7/21/89)

3. Pirata Morgan vs. El Dandy (9/23/88)

4. Emilio Charles vs. El Dandy (7/28/89)5. Mogur vs. Mascara Ano 2000 (9/23/88)6. Javier Cruz vs. Hombre Bala (6/30/89)

7. Super Halcon, Satanico y Masakre vs. El Texano, Lizmark y Rayo De Jalisco Jr. (3/17/89)

8. Atlantis, El Dandy y Popitekus vs. Gran Markus Jr., Pirata Morgan y Ulises (5/26/89)9. Angel Azteca, Atlantis y Blue Demon Jr. vs. El Dandy, Super Muneco y El Texano (3/24/89)10. Popitekus, Angel Azteca y Steve Nelson vs. Emilio Charles Jr., Gran Markus Jr. y Masakre (6/9/89)

11. Blue Demon, Blue Demon Jr. y Ringo Mendoza vs. Emilio Charles Jr., Pirata Morgan y Satanico (11/25/88)

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