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  1. It's a bummer to see how much steam this project has lost, because it really is an awesome thing. No fault to the organizers of course, just judging from the amount of posts we're getting on the lucha set, it's an interest thing. Then, lucha has always had a problem with generating interest and participation. You'd think a big set like Crocket or the WWF re-do could spark a lot of interest but with how WWE is about their copyrights these days those might be dicey situations.
  2. I read this about two years ago. Man, I have no idea how anyone COULDN'T love Kinbote's melodramatic, self-centered Zembla story. By far my favorite parts. Also here is a good write up by an English professor as to the identity of the narrator: http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~wcd/palenarr.htm
  3. All the non-taped 80s stuff, and how good what made tape is, really makes you think that the best wrestling match of all time might not have even made tape.
  4. Do a ballot Matt, this being lucha it will unfortunately probably need as many votes as it can get. As long as you can felsh out a top 20 nothing else terribly much matters rankings wise.
  5. I'm now imagining there being minor tensions between the upper and lower class fans at Arena Mexico with the upper classes always looking for a great technical bout and the drunken lower classes just wanting to see some bloody fighting. Boy do I hope it's true.
  6. Why is the world so cruel? Great thread btw.
  7. DISK TEN 1. Pirata Morgan vs. Brazo De Oro (11/17/89) 2. El Dandy vs. Emilio Charles Jr. (12/1/89) 3. El Brazo, Brazo Del Oro y Brazo Del Plata vs. Hombre Bala, Pirata Morgan y El Verdugo (11/10/89) 4. El Brazo, Brazo Del Oro y Brazo Del Plata vs. Hombre Bala, Pirata Morgan y El Verdugo (10/27/89) 5. El Brazo y Brazo De Plata vs. Hombre Bala, El Verdugo (11/17/89) 6. Emilio Charles Jr., MS-1 y Tierra, Viento y Fuego vs. Atlantis, El Dandy y Mascara Sagrada, (11/24/89) 7. Fuerza Guerrera vs. El Hijo Del Santo vs. All Star (12/8/89) 8. Fuerza Guerrera y Rocky Star vs. All Star y El Hijo Del Santo + Fuerza Guerrera vs. Rocky Star (12/1/89) 9. Pirata Morgan vs. Ken Timbs (12/8/89) Well that's that. Great set overall though it really goes out with a whimper. Not that the last two disks are bad, just definitely a lot weaker than what came before. But I suppose that's to be expected with the increased footage, more everything means you don't just get the best ofs.
  8. RUDO SANTO! Holy shit, the crowd does not care for Santo here, and I don't know if Santo plays it up brilliantly, is actually supposed to be a rudo at this point, or is legitimately at a loss and pissed about it. The final match up in this is All Star vs. Santo to decide who loses the mask and the crowd really gets on his case as he's beating All Star around ringside. Post match the crowd is booing him and Santo is flipping off the crowd, arguing with fans, at one point gets a mic and tries to cut a promo; it even looks like he leaves the ring to lash out at some fans who are in the way of him trying to lay a post match beat down on All Star. And he attacks All Star as he's being demasked. Pretty wild spectacle. The match itself. The opening Fuerza vs. Santo section wasn't very good. They just couldn't get anything going, the match sort of had an awkward rhythm to it and it didn't get any good. The All Star vs. Fuerza stuff was actually pretty damn good, Fuerza's mask gets shredded, he blades big and they have a nice one fall battle. The Santo/All Star part has some good stuff, some nice dives and of course the crowd reaction gets very interesting. As a whole this match doesn't impress me a lot but there were things worth seeing and especially from the third fall of the last match it becomes a real spectacle to see the crowd reacting to Santo and him reacting to them.
  9. Hello #100. This is pretty long and pretty dull. Blondy doesn't bring much to the table here. The beginning is sort of interesting in that it really looks like Morgan trying to work the mat with a broomstrick and he seems to almost be guiding every one of Blondy's movements. Seems like a lot of striking in this for a title match. They try to have their run of big moves at counters for the third fall but it doesn't work out for them and they flub a couple spots pretty badly. Morgan does a couple cool things I guess, but overall this isn't an interesting match at all.
  10. Tag match starts this off and the losing team has to duke it out afterward for the masks. Kind of turns the standard question of "who's gonna win" on its head as the point of this match is kind of more "who's gonna lose?" Opening tag was brawling heavy and I didn't think it was too great, though there was a nice dive section and Santito's mask gets ripped up real bad. The Fuerza/Rocky section I didn't think was too hot for a mask match either really, though it had some cool stuff. Starts off with Rocky chucking Fuerza three throws into the seating and I'm kind of a mark for dudes throwing each other into the seating. All in all a lower end match.
  11. After the set up trios I assumed this would be another brawl, so I got pretty excited when I saw them posing with the belt in the pre-match. An El Dandy title match is just the thing needed to lead us out of this set. Well, it wasn't all it could be but it was still good. Opening matwork is interesting and, well, more chain wrestling than matwork sort of, but not on the level you imagine from an El Dandy title match. There were a couple awkward spots throughout where one of the guys sort of just walks up on the other after taking a move and grabs a german suplex of their own or something. But mainly this was solidly good kind of workrate style lucha which I don't imagine many people were pulling off like these guys in the day. The third fall is the bulk of this match and features some good back and forth and some nice dives. A middling singles match for the set for me.
  12. Another El Dandy/Charles set up match. Well, it wasn't even close to the first one, but still pretty good. Dandy and Charles pair up before too long and there's this cool moment where Charles is beating down Dandy while he's on the ground at ringside and Dandy starts trying to defend himself with kicks to Charles' legs. Some cool fast pace exchanges in the beginning and some Dandy/Charles brawling, nice match but nothing to knock your socks off.
  13. With their partners in a clean title match, these guys decided to take it to each other in an apuestas. Gotta say, that's a good deal for Brazo de Oro. Morgan looses, he loses the belt; anyone else loses, they loose their hair; Oro loses, meh. The brawling in this is pretty good and there's blood all around. Whenever someone smashes their opponent's bloody head into the seating I always wonder what the guy does whose seat is now covered in luchadore blood. Brazos comeback is good and is capped off by a top rope splash from Plata. Last fall is good stuff with a big dive train jumping off, ending with Plata taking everyone out with a tope. Eventually Brazo and Verdugo are left in the ring and Brazo takes it with a roll up. Good stuff but nothing that blew my socks off.
  14. Nice to see a real title match on the set again. I liked how they both kept a little bit of their schtick in the opening mat work which added a bit of flavor to it. I really like Oro's small package roll up. Beginning of the second fall is cool with Morgan trying to survive the onslaught, especially at first when he taps on Oro's back to get him to think he gave up while in the crab without ever actually verbally quitting to the ref. First two falls were good, solidly good, but not really great. The third fall, though, was great. Oro had submitted to a figure four to lose the second fall and is nursing it in the third, awesomely playing defense trying to keep Morgan away from it. Oro sells the knee throughout and it's a big feature of the fall. At one point he finally takes Morgan down and just starts wrenching on the arm hoping to find some way to equalize things. There are three big dives, lots of missed moves off the top and by the end this really has that great war of attrition feel. Oro grabs another small package and it's a really effective near fall. Morgan wins it at the end with a cobra clutch. The crowd was hot for this throughout and the third fall was fantastic with the story of Oro's leg giving it a really unique feel. Top 30.
  15. While the last match had a more competitive bent, this was all about schtick and brawling. The first fall was all about Brazos schtick, few can dish it out better than los Brazos and few receive better than Los Piratas. Plata's athleticism was on full display again and it was a blast of a fall. Second fall turns to the brawling as Los Piratas take it to the Brazos, El Brazo gushes blood and there's this great spot where all three have Plata down in the corner and they're trying to cave his head in with their boots. Plata accidentally wipes out Brazo with a dive which is the holy shit moment of the match leaving Oro to get taken out by an awesome triple team headbutt followed by a big splash.
  16. Really fun match. Plata's unreasonable athleticism is on full show here and it's nuts. Morgan and Oro work some cool fast paced segments throughout. End of the second fall is really great, Brazos schtick at its best. Ending is pretty nuts as like five dives jump off all in a row, which leaves Oro and Morgan alone in the ring to trade roll ups until Oro clinches it.
  17. disk 9 1. MS-1 y Maskare vs. El Dandy y El Satanico, (8/11/89)1. 2. Atlantis y Satanico vs. MS-1 y Tierra Viento y Fuego (9/22/89) 3. Super Astro, Atlantis y El FaraĆ³n vs. Fuerza Guerrera, Blue Panther y Emilio Charles (8/18/89) 4. Atlantis, Mascara Sagrada y Super Astro vs. Hombre Bala, Pirata Morgan y Verdugo) (September 1989) 5. Jerry Estrada vs. Javier Cruz (10/20/89) 6. El Dandy, Apolo Dantes y Eddy Guerrero vs. Emilio Charles Jr., Pirata Morgan y Ary Romero (9/29/89) 7. Blue Panther, Emilio Charles Jr. y Hombre Bala vs. Blue Demon, Javier Cruz y Hombre Sin Nombre (8/4/89) 8. Blue Demon Jr., Super Astro y Mascara Sagrada vs. El Supremo, Espectro Jr. y Blue Panther (10/6/89) 9. All Star, El Dandy y El Texano vs. Espectro Jr., Jerry Estrada y Rocky Star (10/13/89) 10. Chavo Guerrero, Cien Caras y Mascara Ano Dos Mil vs. Lizmark, El Satanico y Rayo De Jalisco Jr. (10/20/89) 11. Jerry Estrada, Ary Romero y Rick Patterson vs. Javier Cruz, Eddy Guerrero y El Dandy (10/6/89)
  18. So this match, where Estrada is supposedly high off his ass. First two falls were pretty dull but it starts to get crazy in the third fall. They bleed a ton, hit some big dives, Estrada takes some big bumps and of course the famous spot where he slips off the apron and smashes his head against the post. But really I don't see the fuss. The third fall is fun, yeah, and has some cool dives and blood but there are a lot of matches that have just as cool dives and just as much blood but are worked around much better matches. Seeing Estrada fucked up wasn't even really bad enough to give it much of a rubbernecking factor, he was just sloppy more than anything. Though I do like the one spot where Cruz kicks him out of the ring through the ropes and he lands on his feet just standing there, looking to the side like "how the fuck did I get down here?" I guess the one big top rope kick from Cruz that looked like it hurt Estrada real bad was pretty wild though. Good final fall with some crazy moments but I don't see the hype with this.
  19. I didn't care for this one, it just wouldn't come together for me. Chavo and Satanico were at each other and as great as that sounds you never really got what you want out of them. Some of Jalisco's comedy spots just fell flat for me and I didn't dig the run of comedy-ish spots toward the end amidst the brawling. There was one cool part where Lizmark and Dos Mil were wailing on each other around ringside though. But overall this is a #100 contender for me.
  20. Pretty low end match for the set for me. There was some fun stuff, the opening stuff was decent if unspectacular and the second rope falling off was a novelty that led to some cool chaotic spots, but overall this wasn't anything special. Ending was cool though.
  21. This felt like a #100 contender to me. Eddy did some cool stuff and I liked how there were times when Estrada was just smashing Dandy with mounted punches, and there was some cool comeback brawling in the third fall, but there wasn't much I liked here. Not bad or anything, just not really good.
  22. Honestly this is one of the matches on the set I've enjoyed the least so far. There was good stuff in here but also extended sections that I thought were pretty dull. The heart drops a little in the first fall when you see Panther get into the ring but don't see Astro get in with him but Panther really kills it with Sagrada on the mat. Pretty much everything cool was from Panther and you can kind of see Panther using more force than usual and it seems like he's really guiding Sagrada through the segment, which is damn impressive if that's the case because it was really good. A real showcase for Panther who might be the best pure mat worker ever. Honestly after that I didn't like much in the match, though Astro's big comeback was cool. Nice ending though with two dives including Astro's slingshot senton and Demon winning it with a cool roll up spot.
  23. Cool to see Eddy, and he looked great here. Lots of energy and finesse in his work, he was doing some really cool armdrags in the beginning of the second fall and his spinning toe hold in the first looked nasty as hell. I also liked Romero's comedy stuff. They worked some US-style heel in peril and face in peril segments which were interesting to see if not especially great really. Morgan and Dandy had a cool run against each other toward the end too. There were a lot of things I really liked in this match but overall I thought it dragged a lot and there was more downtime where no much of interest was happening than usual. It'll go relatively low, but maybe I need to rewatch it.
  24. I like how the two on two tags on this set all seem to be gritty fights. This was definitely that with lots of cool bits of brawling throughout. I liked this but it wasn't really blowing me away til the third fall, and then boy did it blow me away. The intensity goes up tenfold and tons of great stuff starts going down like Satanico hitting a senton off the rope, followed by getting laid out by Atlantis after MS1 dodges his tope; and TVF really starts leaking blood. The finishing stretch here was downright epic. In lucha, once a certain amount of time has gone by, something big had just happened and a hold is put on a certain way or a move is hit a certain way you kind of can tell that's then end; that sort of thing happens here like 8 times in a row but each time it isn't the end and they're really effective false finishes. Once Atlantis finally submits TVF for the win the crowd really erupts and the post-match is great, TVF looks none too happy about being demasked and Satanico taunts MS1 with chunks of his newly cut hair. Great stuff.
  25. This is a one fall affair and as such is basically an extended squash for the technicos. But for being what it is damn is it fun. I'm a real sucker for these lucha segments where skillful, athletic technicos will be hitting all their spectacular offensive while the rudos stooge like crazy for them and this has that in spades. The technicos were in top form for that kind of stuff and Los Piratas really brought it with the stooging and as bases. Ending is great with each technico hitting a big dive, capped off by Astro hitting a slingshot senton to the outside which is one of my favorite regular high spots in all of wrestling.
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