General thoughts about the lucha set

[Mookieghana]

We've only got a handful of ballots in, so please keep at it everyone and send stuff in by end of the week!

 

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Ballot is at the bottom of this link: https://sites.google.com/site/chrisharrington/mookieghana-prowrestlingstatistics/dvdvr_80s_lucha

[Matthew]

I've got three discs left but I'll try my best to get it done by the weekend.

[DouglasC]

 

I probably could have put 1-10, and 11-20 through a randomizer, and I still would have been just as satisfied, albeit less frustrated calculating the final result.

1. MS-1 vs. Sangre Chicana (9/23/83)

2. Gran Cochise vs. Satanico (9/14/84)

3. Espanto Jr. vs El Hijo Del Santo (Mask vs. Mask) (8/31/86)

4. El Hijo del Santo vs. Negro Casas (Mask vs. Hair) (7/18/87)

5. Emilio Charles, Fabuloso Blondy y Pirata Morgan vs. El Dandy, Atlantis & El Faraón (7/21/89)

6. Solar, Ultraman y Super Astro vs. Sergio El Hermoso, Bello Greco y Rudy Reyna (2/26/84)

7. Tony Salazar vs. Herodes (3/2/84)

8. Pirata Morgan vs. El Dandy (Hair vs. Hair) (9/23/88)

9. La Fiera vs. Babyface (8/15/86)

10. Atlantis y Satanico vs. MS-1 y Tierra Viento y Fuego (Hair/Mask vs. Hair/Mask) (9/22/89)

11. Satanico vs. Shiro Koshinaka (Hair vs. Hair) (7/30/84)

12. Blue Panther/Sergio El Hermosa v. Super Astro/Solar (10/17/87)

13. Sangre Chicana vs. Satanico (5/26/89)

14. El Brazo, Brazo Del Oro y Brazo Del Plata vs. Hombre Bala, Pirata Morgan y El Verdugo (Super Libre) (11/10/89)

15. Emilio Charles vs. El Dandy (Hair v. Hair) (7/28/89)

16. Atlantis vs. El Satanico (1984)

17. El Hijo Del Santo vs. Espanto Jr. (4/10/88)

18. Babyface, Cien Caras y Mascara Ano 2000 vs. Lizmark, Rayo De Jalisco y La Fiera (September 1986)

19. Sangre Chicana vs. Perro Aguayo (Hair vs. Hair) (2/28/86)

20. Pirata Morgan, BabyFace y Cien Caras vs. La Fiera, Lizmark y Rayo De Jalisco Jr. (September 1986)

 

And the bottom 5. Disc 9 was a real chore to get through the second half of, and that really shows with this.

 

96. Blue Demon Jr., Super Astro y Mascara Sagrada vs. El Supremo, Espectro Jr. y Blue Panther (10/6/89)

97. Jerry Estrada, Ary Romero y Rick Patterson vs. Javier Cruz, Eddy Guerrero y El Dandy (10/6/89)

98. All Star, El Dandy y El Texano vs. Espectro Jr., Jerry Estrada y Rocky Star (10/13/89)

99. Jerry Estrada vs. Javier Cruz (Hair vs. Hair) (10/20/89)

100. Chavo Guerrero, Cien Caras y Mascara Ano Dos Mil vs. Lizmark, El Satanico y Rayo De Jalisco Jr. (10/20/89)                                                                                                                  

 

[Lee B.]

I've got 5 or 6 matches to watch still, and then it will take a little while to fill out the spreadsheet.  I hope I still have a few days to work with. 

[sagefrancis]

I am planning on submitting my ballot over the weekend. 

[Nomad]

I've sent in my ballot.  I can't say that beyond the top 10 - 20 I'm hugely happy with it.

 

Is the next set coming soon?

[goc]

I've sent in my ballot.  I can't say that beyond the top 10 - 20 I'm hugely happy with it.

 

Is the next set coming soon?

Not happy with the set or your ballot? I think the general rule for people who've been thru the ballot process before is that after the top 25 it's really not worth stressing yourself over the difference between 46 & 47.

[Nomad]

 

I've sent in my ballot.  I can't say that beyond the top 10 - 20 I'm hugely happy with it.

 

Is the next set coming soon?

Not happy with the set or your ballot? I think the general rule for people who've been thru the ballot process before is that after the top 25 it's really not worth stressing yourself over the difference between 46 & 47.

 

My ballot.  This is 8th set I've sent a ballot for so I know what its like past a certain point.  I think the problem was that I really like lucha but generally prefer single rather than trios (or even tags for that matter) so this set was always going to be mixed.

[lovchunky]

While there was a lot on the set I didn't really care for, I was introduced to so much stuff that I otherwise would have never discovered, it was totally worth it. I can't wait for the next set. Are we still looking at a top 100 for 80s Portland as the next set?

[Curt McGirt]

Okay, I'm doing this like a caveman since I can't work the spreadsheet. Here's my first thirty and I'll be damned if it wasn't hard getting to that even with my saved notes. You guys are crazy trying to do this for every set.

 

MS-1 vs. Sangre Chicana (9/23/83)

El Hijo del Santo vs. Negro Casas (Mask vs. Hair) (7/18/87)

El Brazo y Brazo De Plata vs. Hombre Bala, El Verdugo (Hair vs. Hair) (11/17/89)

Gran Cochise vs. Satanico (9/14/84)

Espanto Jr. vs El Hijo Del Santo (Mask vs. Mask) (8/31/86)

Tony Salazar vs. Herodes (3/2/84)

Atlantis y Satanico vs. MS-1 y Tierra Viento y Fuego (Hair/Mask vs. Hair/Mask) (9/22/89)

Satanico vs. Super Astro (10/26/84)

Babyface, Cien Caras y Mascara Ano 2000 vs. Lizmark, Rayo De Jalisco y La Fiera (September 1986)

La Fiera, El Faraón y El Egipico vs. MS-1, Satanico y Pirata Morgan (3/29/85)

 

Mogur vs. Mascara Ano 2000 (Mask vs. Mask) (9/23/88)

Mocho Cota vs. Americo Rocca (1/27/84)

Mocho Cota vs. Americo Rocca (2/3/84)

La Fiera vs. Babyface (8/15/86)

El Satanico y Espectro Jr. v. El Faraón y La Fiera (8/12/84)

Perro Aguayo vs. Sangre Chicana vs. El Faraón vs. Villano III (Elimination Match) (10/84)

El Hijo del Santo & Black Shadow Jr. vs. Espanto Jr. & Eskeletor (12/1/85)

Mogur vs. As Charro (Mask vs. Mask) (9/18/87)

Blue Panther/Sergio El Hermosa v. Super Astro/Solar (10/17/87)

Sangre Chicana vs. Satanico (5/26/89)

 

Arandu vs. Guerrero Negro (Hair vs. Hair) (1988)

Javier Cruz vs. Hombre Bala (Hair vs. Hair) (6/30/89)

Pirata Morgan vs. El Dandy (Hair vs. Hair) (9/23/88)

Atlantis, El Hijo del Santo y Tony Salazar vs. El Satanico, El Dandy y Espectro Jr. (4/3/87)

Tony Salazar, Mogur y Alfonso Dantes vs. Hombre Bala, Talisman y Tony Bennetto vs. Satanico, MS-1 y Masakre (4/10/87)

Americo Rocca, Ringo Mendoza y Tony Salazar vs. Negro Navarro, El Signo y El Texano (Hair vs. Hair) (9/19/86)

Emilio Charles vs. El Dandy (Hair v. Hair) (7/28/89)

Super Astro, Atlantis y El Faraón vs. Fuerza Guerrera, Blue Panther y Emilio Charles (8/18/89)

Sangre Chicana vs. Villano III (12/7/84)

Satoru Sayama y Gran Hamada vs. Perro Aguayo y Baby Face (4/13/80)

[Curt McGirt]

 

ESKELETOR VICTORIAS!!!

[Mookieghana]

Thanks to everyone who has seen in a ballot thus far. We still have less than a dozen, so I would love to see more! IT'S NOT TOO LATE!

[TARO]

Thanks Mookie. Doing last few rewatches so will have ballot in on Tues or Wed.

[goc]

hanks to everyone who has seen in a ballot thus far. We still have less than a dozen, so I would love to see more! IT'S NOT TOO LATE!

Still some people at PWO working on their ballots also.

[Phil Schneider]

I'll get mine in at the absolute last moment, when is that again

[Childs]

Keep it open for a few more weeks, and you'll get more ballots. A lot of the PWO folks (including me) had no idea the deadline was looming.

[SLL]

My ballot is...ummm...around here...somewhere...gimme a few more moments.....

[Log]

I may have time to get this done!  Imma haul ass and at least make a real effort to get a ballot in.

[benj]

Finally finished the set and sent in my ballot. This was the hardest set to get through, but the most rewarding. When we finish the 80's project, there will be a lot of these matches and wrestlers in the top tier of 1980's professional wrestling.

[thecubsfan]

FWIW for record keeping purposes, looks like SuperLuchas has pegged the Atlantis/Satanico match as taking place on 01/20/1984

[ohtani's jacket]

DJ Spectro wrote about that much about six months ago and claimed Altantis won in straight falls (the first fall via excessive violence and the second fall ending in a foul) -- https://www.facebook.com/LuchaLibreDeAyerdeHoyYSiempre/photos/a.461505387230535.102143.454597374588003/715819081799163/ I thought it must be another match since Satanico wins the bout on the set. 

 

SuperLuchas probably have it right since they have other results from the card, but man is lucha research frustrating. 

[Lee B.]

I finally finished my ballot.  Thanks to Will, Ohtani's Jacket, and everyone else who made this a great learning experience, and a lot of fun.  Now I know why Phil is so crazy for lucha.  This was a challenge to get through, but totally worth it in the end.  Here are my top 20 matches.  I favored singles and stipulation matches, apparently:

 

1.   Sangre Chicana vs. Villano III (12/7/84)

2.   Satanico vs. Super Astro (10/26/84)

3.   Tony Salazar vs. Herodes (3/2/84)

4.   MS-1 vs. Sangre Chicana (9/23/83)

5.   Espanto Jr. vs El Hijo Del Santo (Mask vs. Mask) (8/31/86)

6.   Sangre Chicana vs. Perro Aguayo (Hair vs. Hair) (2/28/86)

7.   Arandu vs. Guerrero Negro (Hair vs. Hair) (1988)

8.   Atlantis vs. El Satanico (1984)

9.   Emilio Charles vs. El Dandy (Hair v. Hair) (7/28/89)

10. El Hijo del Santo vs. Negro Casas (Mask vs. Hair) (7/18/87)

11. El Brazo, Brazo Del Oro y Brazo Del Plata vs. Hombre Bala, Pirata Morgan y El Verdugo (Super Libre) (11/10/89)

12. Pirata Morgan vs. El Dandy (Hair vs. Hair) (9/23/88)

13. Atlantis y Satanico vs. MS-1 y Tierra Viento y Fuego (Hair/Mask vs. Hair/Mask) (9/22/89)

14. El Hijo Del Santo vs. Espanto Jr. (4/10/88)

15. Sangre Chicana vs. Satanico (5/26/89)

16. Fuerza Guerrera vs. El Hijo Del Santo vs. All Star (Mask Match) (12/8/89)

17. Emilio Charles Jr., MS-1 y Tierra, Viento y Fuego vs. Atlantis, El Dandy y Mascara Sagrada, (11/24/89)

18. Emilio Charles, Fabuloso Blondy y Pirata Morgan vs. El Dandy, Atlantis & El Faraón (7/21/89)

19. Sangre Chicana vs. MS-1 (Hair vs. Hair) (9/21/84)

20. Espectro Jr., Satanico y MS-1 vs. Mocho Cota, Sangre Chicana y La Fiera (9/30/83)

[thecubsfan]

DJ Spectro wrote about that much about six months ago and claimed Altantis won in straight falls (the first fall via excessive violence and the second fall ending in a foul) -- https://www.facebook.com/LuchaLibreDeAyerdeHoyYSiempre/photos/a.461505387230535.102143.454597374588003/715819081799163/ I thought it must be another match since Satanico wins the bout on the set. 

 

SuperLuchas probably have it right since they have other results from the card, but man is lucha research frustrating. 

 

Every time DJ Spectro writes about an old show, I add it to my database. I went to do that with a show a few weeks ago, and noticed he'd previously posted about a show the same day but with a different lineup. He seems to have a lot of information but may not be the best organized. If I didn't have a database, I don't know how I'd keep anything straight either - but the guy doing the recent pieces for SuperLuchas (indy referee Teddy) appears to have a huge collection of lineups/results which aren't available anywhere elsewhere else. Glad we're at least getting a What Happened On This Date post from him.

 

(This is crazy nerd stuff, sorry.)

[Mookieghana]

I've got about a dozen ballots in now so we're at least at the minimum threshold to put together stats.

 

If you haven't submitted yet, the ballot is at https://sites.google.com/site/chrisharrington/mookieghana-prowrestlingstatistics/dvdvr_80s_lucha

 

Email address to send ballots is [email protected]

[goc]

Sooo any update on this and when the next set is supposed to come out? I mean we're like 2 months past the extended deadline of January 1st and still haven't really had any official announcement.