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I read that Lorenzo was willing to leave Station Casinos to become an NFL owner.

Realistically, will Dana White last long under the new regime?  He's already taken a reduced role in the last year or so.  You see less interviews, scrums and such.  He lets Sholler and the other PR people handle the press conferences now instead of appearing at all of them.  

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39 minutes ago, TheVileOne said:

I read that Lorenzo was willing to leave Station Casinos to become an NFL owner.

Realistically, will Dana White last long under the new regime?  He's already taken a reduced role in the last year or so.  You see less interviews, scrums and such.  He lets Sholler and the other PR people handle the press conferences now instead of appearing at all of them.  

Willing to leave and leaving are two separate things though. The opportunity has to present itself for Lorenzo to actually own a team. If no one is willing to sale, then it won't matter. The Raider are probably moving to Vegas, but that doesn't mean Mark Davis wants to sell the team to Lorenzo. Maybe Lorenzo can be involved in another way (i.e. helping Davis with funding that 65,000 seat stadium near the Strip), but I doubt he can just buy a team like that.

As for the second part, it depends upon whether he's under that regime or considered part of it. A few weeks ago, I saw that Garry Cook might become the CEO. That would be a slight change, but he's been with company for two years already. I don't know if they're interested in hiring someone outside of that to supervise the structure they already have. If the plan is/was for Dana to work more from HQ, then he has been pretty much already done that between big shows. For the Fight Nights and other shows on the scale, there is no need for him to really be at the pressers. I know Decker handles the post-fight pressers in Brazil so I mean...what else needs to be done?

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9 hours ago, TheVileOne said:

I read that Lorenzo was willing to leave Station Casinos to become an NFL owner.

Realistically, will Dana White last long under the new regime?  He's already taken a reduced role in the last year or so.  You see less interviews, scrums and such.  He lets Sholler and the other PR people handle the press conferences now instead of appearing at all of them.  

This is the first step to leaving.  Someone else takes over the public displays while you train the necessary people behind the scenes.  In a year Dana will gracefully leave and move onto other ventures.

The Raiders to Las Vegas is not a slam dunk.  Alderson is leading the effort with $0 cash from him unless something changed in the past few weeks.  It is more of an ego trip for him than anything but that gets into casino egos and way off topic.

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10 hours ago, Oyaji said:

 

Anyway, I was just glancing at Ari Emanuel's wiki page and was less than thrilled when I came over this:

O_o

He's also Rahm Emmanuel's brother (in addition to being the basis for Ari Gold), and he's an even bigger "supporter" of Israel than his brother. So I find it kind of funny that Abu Dhabi still has their stake.

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13 minutes ago, bink_winkleman said:

He's also Rahm Emmanuel's brother (in addition to being the basis for Ari Gold), and he's an even bigger "supporter" of Israel than his brother. So I find it kind of funny that Abu Dhabi still has their stake.

Are relations particularly bad between UAE and Israel right now?  Just because they are Jewish and pro-Israel doesn't mean they can't do business with Flash Entertainment.

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17 minutes ago, evilwaldo said:

In a year Dana will gracefully leave and move onto other ventures.

I saw a tweet from some guy that was from about a few weeks ago hinting it might be two years. Then, Helwani hinted last night about things may be a bit different two years from now. So people might know something more, but don't want to put it out there without anything concrete.

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40 minutes ago, Elsalvajeloco said:

I saw a tweet from some guy that was from about a few weeks ago hinting it might be two years. Then, Helwani hinted last night about things may be a bit different two years from now. So people might know something more, but don't want to put it out there without anything concrete.

I'm going to operate under the assumption that Dana's role not changing is the 2016 equivalent of Strikeforce being "business as usual."

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9 minutes ago, We Dem Boyz said:

I'm going to operate under the assumption that Dana's role not changing is the 2016 equivalent of Strikeforce being "business as usual."

This is way different. When the Zuffa purchased Strikeforce from SJSEE (and Coker's small stake), basically everyone within that company jobs were virtually obsolete. For example, no way was Rich Chou going to have a job when Zuffa already had Joe Silva along with Sean Shelby. Mikey Aframowitz was made obsolete by Sholler or whoever the hell was head of PR at the time. Coker was made obsolete in that Dana was already there.

WME/IMG and the private equity firms basically paid Dana White $360 million to stay on.

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49 minutes ago, TheVileOne said:

Are relations particularly bad between UAE and Israel right now?  Just because they are Jewish and pro-Israel doesn't mean they can't do business with Flash Entertainment.

UAE recognizes Palestine/has no relations with Israel and Ari is an AIPAC-type. I guess what I find is funny is just how soulless and hypocritical all these people are when it comes to stuff like this. I wouldn't expect anything different.

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6 minutes ago, Shawn411 said:

No Wanda?

Doesn't look like it.

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As expected, mixed-martial arts league, Ultimate Fighting Club (UFC) has been acquired by a consortium of investors led by WME-IMG for approximately $4 billion. The companies are expected to make a formal announcement Monday.

The investors in the WME-IMG corner are understood to include Silver Lake Capital, Kohlberg Kravis Roberts and MSD Capital, the private equity pool controlled by computer billionaire Michael Dell.

Variety has to get better editors. Ultimate Fighting Club sounds like a Iraqi startup org in like a rundown bar.

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9 minutes ago, Elsalvajeloco said:

This is way different. When the Zuffa purchased Strikeforce from SJSEE (and Coker's small stake), basically everyone within that company jobs were virtually obsolete. For example, no way was Rich Chou going to have a job when Zuffa already had Joe Silva along with Sean Shelby. Mikey Aframowitz was made obsolete by Sholler or whoever the hell was head of PR at the time. Coker was made obsolete in that Dana was already there.

WME/IMG and the private equity firms basically paid Dana White $360 million to stay on.

I was only referring to Dana and not people like Joe Silva and office staff. Obviously a merger type situation creates redundant positions that need to be removed which does not apply here. When you say Dana was basically paid do you just mean his take from the sale or an additional payment?

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9 minutes ago, We Dem Boyz said:

I was only referring to Dana and not people like Joe Silva and office staff. Obviously a merger type situation creates redundant positions that need to be removed which does not apply here. When you say Dana was basically paid do you just mean his take from the sale or an additional payment?

His take.

But the thing is...the company was basically Lorenzo, Dana, and Joe Silva. WME-IMG bought the company and kept Dana on because....in basically what I was saying several weeks ago....they don't know how to run a MMA promotion. It would be astoundingly stupid for someone to buy a promotion that's making more money than they've ever made before and was at one point worth maybe a few million and just clean house. Now that we know it's WME, who repped Dana and the UFC before along with repping Rousey now, that would have been even more absurd. Now 2-3 years from now, around the time it comes to get that new TV deal, then we can look at possibly some real change.

Listening to Cheap Seats, I think Greg Savage mentioned a board of directors. Who that would include, we will just have to find out.

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15 minutes ago, Elsalvajeloco said:

His take.

But the thing is...the company was basically Lorenzo, Dana, and Joe Silva. WME-IMG bought the company and kept Dana on because....in basically what I was saying several weeks ago....they don't know how to run a MMA promotion. It would be astoundingly stupid for someone to buy a promotion that's making more money than they've ever made before and was at one point worth maybe a few million and just clean house. Now that we know it's WME, who repped Dana and the UFC before along with repping Rousey now, that would have been even more absurd. Now 2-3 years from now, around the time it comes to get that new TV deal, then we can look at possibly some real change.

Listening to Cheap Seats, I think Greg Savage mentioned a board of directors. Who that would include, we will just have to find out.

Campbell McLaren? I kid. 

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1 hour ago, Elsalvajeloco said:

I saw a tweet from some guy that was from about a few weeks ago hinting it might be two years. Then, Helwani hinted last night about things may be a bit different two years from now. So people might know something more, but don't want to put it out there without anything concrete.

The more Dana steps back and the more someone is in front of the media the more comfortable Dana is in letting that person take over.  In two years, he will be just a figurehead and gracefully ride off into the sunset.

44 minutes ago, bink_winkleman said:

I guess what I find is funny is just how soulless and hypocritical all these people are when it comes to stuff like this. I wouldn't expect anything different.

Pretty much this.  I worked in International Business and you would be shocked at how much business gets done behind the scenes.  Paper it over in a tax haven.  Keep up appearances.  

Let the politicians scream fear while business gets done between countries through tax havens.

Sanctions are meaningless when you have tax havens to hide everything.

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UFC definitely went corporate all the way. This was eventually the next step,surprise it came this soon. WWE is on the same path because Vince only owns about half of the company now.

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30 minutes ago, Shawn411 said:

I don't think any of the Chinese groups are a part of the sale that's going to be finalized in November. However, many of the people involved have connections in China.

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Will Zuffa still be pursuing legal action against the journalists who fabricated those sale rumors?

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8 minutes ago, We Dem Boyz said:

Will Zuffa still be pursuing legal action against the journalists who fabricated those sale rumors?

I doubt it. 

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Just now, Elsalvajeloco said:

 

I doubt it. 

I know, it was more of a tongue in cheek comment. The deal was basically done at least a month ago and they still tried to work their own employees.

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1 minute ago, We Dem Boyz said:

I know, it was more of a tongue in cheek comment. The deal was basically done at least a month ago and they still tried to work their own employees.

The deal was only completed last week at the earliest. They were still working out little details during International Fight Week according to Meltzer. It wasn't done yet.

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By basically I mean they knew they were selling in principle. I don't mean all the details were worked out.

Did Zuffa own anything other than the UFC? Stemm publishing rights?

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1 minute ago, We Dem Boyz said:

By basically I mean they knew they were selling in principle. I don't mean all the details were worked out.

Well, internally, almost everyone knew they were selling. However, they were going to roll with the punches just because they didn't want it to blow of proportion.

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