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Am I the only guy who listened to that and A) Didn't think HHH was being a jerk or had any personal vendetta against Dave B ) Meltzer didn't come off bad and C) It was a lighthearted "Who?", that due to the lack of face-to-face interaction on this call, was initially missed by Dave. HHH then explained it and said he wasn't going to comment. ??? Putting aside any sort of opinion of whether WWE holding conference calls where they don't want to go off-script is good or bad, I don't see how this 20 second interaction proves or disproves that Meltzer SUX and that HHH thinks he's stupid.

Enjoyed the Altman film, excited to read this. And actually the copy my library has is part of the Library of America collection of Chandler's later works so it also has Lady In The Lake and Little Sister, as well as the Double Indemnity screenplay.

Interesting point there. I also had to go back and check about his thoughts on the letter because I noticed a difference between the 1st and 2nd descriptions. I think at the time I took his initial description as not being on the level just by how it was conveyed. It even may be that at the time his writings seemed appropriate for the situation, but looking back without the immediate feelings still inhabiting his psyche, the letter now seems way overdone.

Absolutely to both these, especially the second point. I think the most successful aspect of the book is how much it dives into his thought process and how he views things like no other book I've possibly ever read. I have a hard time not seeing everything from his perspective even now, I was so ingrained in his world.

I think the "cursing an unborn child" section of the letter is overemphasized in both Tony's mind and probably Veronica's.The extreme passive-aggressiveness of her in never explicitly telling Tony anything she's upset about says more about her than him. I'm sure we've all said things in anger that ended up having unintended meaning or significance to the person receiving those words, but in Tony's case I refuse to hold him responsible for such a unintended consequence. And in what world does telling someone to "Talk to Veronica's mother" hold you in any way responsible for them having relations? And related to that, is there any significance to the gesture her mother makes to Tony as he's being driven away from her house in the 1st half? I also enjoyed the e-mail correspondence with Veronica in the 2nd half because I know I'm constantly think about the way I correspond with people in e-mails and whether or not more can be read into each word choice I make. Seems like Veronica did the opposite or thought to much (or little) of Tony do elaborate. Is Tony really that dense? What are moments where some of you were disappointed in his actions or thoughts? I still think of him as very relatable and easy to empathize with.

Finished it this morning after reading about 50 pages each of the last few days. I'll wait for discussion to start up before putting down more thoughts, but I definitely enjoyed it and want to check out more of Barnes' work. The thing that stands out to me the most right now is how much of the book is "plot-less", with Tony's musings on memory, life, and time taking up lots of space. But then those musings seem more meaningful and true than any plot could be I guess. Those philosophies did much to allow me to empathize with him and despite his failings and the mistakes he made, I could see myself acting pretty much the same in those situations. His feelings of being a bystander in his own life is something I can identify with. I'm curious as to how you all see Tony at the end. Personally, despite the letter I don't see him being responsible for what happened to Veronica, Adrian, and Sarah. I can understand Veronica's anger and frustration as she really was hurt the most after all, but no matter what Adrian wrote about Tony I still don't see Tony as being a major player in his actions. And what do you all think was written in the diary that led Sarah to give it to Tony? Was Adrian complimentary or the opposite?

Sounds awesome. Apparently there's a waiting list at my library for it, but it should be ready relatively quickly since there are a number of copies in the area. Looking forward to it.

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One minute of jobber mishaps at the end of a Eddie Gilbert/Ron Simmons squash from December 1988.

Just absolutely horrible. He had a history of drug addiction so not terribly surprising, but still absolutely tragic and a HUGE loss to acting. Really really sucks.

First off, I came here to look for Zubaz/Gregg because while looking through Reddit, I found that someone had posted the legendary Carmen Sandiego clip he wrote about way back in like 2005 on the old board. Maybe this has been posted before here, but... Sorry for the Keyboard Cat nonsense, not my video. Second, I didn't realize you were Chris Gethard's brother. I've never met him, but I did UCB stuff for about 3 years in LA and his name came up a lot because of his reputation in New York. So this thread just blew my mind.

I did the Reddit Secret Santa exchange and got an autographed photo of Julie Christie and two tickets to Smackdown in January in Worcester.

Yes

The Koko clue is the most transparent. Have to think a little more about the other 3.

Nope. FSW has Koko B Ware part of it though.

Not pets. Wrestling-related.

Very close. More specific.

Again, my puzzle... Koko, The Talking Gorilla The Punisher Sam Rockwell Gregory Peck

I'm in on this.

Koko, The Talking Gorilla The Punisher Sam Rockwell Gregory Peck

Oh, Edna Garrett's breasts appeared on all the shows.

Arnold Jackson appears on all the shows. Or maybe Philip Drummond.

Soooooooo... Any chance of doing another one of these?

She got a permanent mark on her body signifying when she won a fake title with very little prestige around it. Taken by itself, it's not ridiculous to a fan, but I can totally understand why her fellow wrestlers and someone like Dave would think it's stupid, her dream or not.

The Raw DVD set will supposedly include 20 episodes, so those 11 listed will be joined by 9 others.