manzk

No stream working for me. Fix this shit.

On the Raw Moonsault Cody wasn't flat, he was coming down sidewise.

Not only did they not catch him but they made him go head first by working as a wall.

Now, what do you think of this move~~

Sure entertainment is important. But not as important as, you know, not dying. It's not worse, because those are HISTORICAL OCCURANCES IN THE COURSE OF HUMAN EVENTS, not EQUIPMENT MALFUNCTIONS IN THE MIDDLE OF A STAGED PERFORMANCE. Further, both 9/11 and the Holocaust were deliberately planned by those who committed the acts, Owen's death was a freak accident. You can use footage of both events to teach people the sad, possible nature of human actions. What does one get from watching OTE? That they should think twice before using any safety harness? Why is this so hard for people to understand. Censoring it and not having it available are two different things. By editing the PPV and putting it up, WWE is effectively censoring it. So you think it should go up uncensored, as is? Counterpoint: Why must people have access to it? What does a viewer lose by NOT having access to it? (Answer: Nothing) Who are you to decide if people must or must not access it? No one is saying that people must watch it, WWE ain't promoting it like "NOW IT'S YOUR CHANCE TO SEE THE FORBIDDEN FOOTAGE". We all will be dead and entertainment will remain. Everybody dies. Maybe some people don't care that Owen died that match and want to see the matches. No one cares about the deaths of every people in the world. When I started watching wrestling Owen was dead and I had no idea who he was, and I haven't watch many matches of him. If I decided to watch all WWE footage from 1999 and I saw the Raw's building for OTE I would rather have the PPV with a previous explanation about what happened then to see history removed. Then I would decide if I wanted to watch it or not, maybe I would and I would like the matches. I enjoy Benoit matches still, but when I see Woman valleting Sandman I get sad the she was killed. Am I a monster? A terrible human being? But I do volunteer work with cancer kids 3 days a week : (

You gotta play your audience, otherwise they won't find your material funny.

Why do they lose all value? Isn't entertainment important? Why do entertainers make so much money? Why does entertainment generate so much revenue? Isn't it worse if someone tries to make money out of a tragedy, ie: making movies about the holocaust and 9/11 to generate revenue than it is show the people what happened after the Owen incident? Even if you think that PPV lost all its merit, why does that mean that it has to be censored and no one should be able to have access to it ever? No one will force you to watch it, there will be lot's of stuff on the Network.

Wasn't Doug a trainer at OVW? Edit: guess not anymore, you're right. Released.

Reigns vs Ambrose at Extreme Rules will be pretty sweet.

It's all over, it's time for the break up. I would break them up before Mania to have Reigns and Usos vs Shield 2.0 as the best 6 man tag match of Wrestlemania's history.

They're on the payroll, relax. Dude, the show is what it is, maybe some people want to see what happens when you have people working after such an event, maybe it can be a learning experience and set a standard on what to do on these cases. Do you think that every film and book that covers nazi camps or 9/11 are tasteless? Why would Owen's family even care, it's not like the WWE is making money out of Owen's death: a documentary would be more like it; they are just putting the show there and saying "dude, ya know what happen, if you want to see tha tapes, you can, if you don't, go watch some Chris Benoit or Tennesse wrestling or ECW." I think more people would be offended by Russo's WCW booking than by OTE'99

I play music, rehearsal every week and play live somewhat frequently and still I know shit about music history, about what's going on, who's who etc. I enjoy playing and hanging with THE BOYS and I try to make as much money as I can, but I just music is to predictable, boring and pretentious for the most part. Most musicians are surprisingly dumb because they live in a bubble that has nothing interesting going on. I like to read occasionally tho.

Nevermind, I apologize.

So much butthurt. Not butthurt, just happen to despise you, to feel reppelled by your selfpity posting and ignorant and pretencious remarks. who cares that you have been trying to write a book for 5 years? Ain't gonna happen now, your too old, quit. I think my wife is posting on the board now. I apologize for the childish comments. Even thought I am still very upset towards the way our first argument turned out, I had no right disturb the thread by going all crazy trying to diminish you with my comments. I apologize to tha board, I very much enjoy it here and I won't make an ass of myself with these sort of behavior in the future. Re Quacks interview, yes, he used the same words and expressions on both interviews about wrestling being the fictional space, his wife supporting his creative endeavors, etc.

So much butthurt. Not butthurt, just happen to despise you, to feel reppelled by your selfpity posting and ignorant and pretencious remarks. who cares that you have been trying to write a book for 5 years? Ain't gonna happen now, your too old, quit.

that was terrible. Steen can't be a heel.

For years now, I've been trying to find the segment where the Popo tortures Okada backstage but can't find him.

Yes he does. Pretending he doesn't care about the "vanilla ice cream fans" and he promotes for tha special snowflakes make normal dudes want to check CHIKARA so they can become a speshul snowflake themselves. ECW was the same thing, ROH idem until the shows started to get worst and wrestlers started going to other places (at one point, ROH fans rly believed that ROH wrestlers looooved ROH so much they'd want to be there forever and never go to corporate meanies like WWE and TNA). But some of this PERFORMANCE ARTS stuff and being hurt by trolls is mehish

You don't have to watch it, you won't have time to watch 99% of the network's content. Why mind it.

Quack's books are better than your project. Quit, stop trying to get your shit in. The show is almost sold out, he doesn't need your approval and he doesn't care for your CHIKARA jokes. Cool "I'm gonna take shots at things I don't know" attitude, but when you watch it or hear its people then suddenly they don't seem as stupid as you made them. The funny thing is, Quack makes a living out of CHIKARA and the school, but he preaches that he isn't in it for tha dollar - which is probably what he tells tha boys in order to justify paying them so little - AND all these interviews he is doing are DAMAGE CONTROL "look, we didn't rly close, it was a storyline, you just had to follow : (" interviews. Granted, he turned a negative into a positive with amazing skill and creativity but the interview that inspired you so much was a W O R K. And imo boring, his books are better. Other than Zach Ryder's, I can't think of another WWE guy that did a bad podcast with him. The Curt Hawkins one was really good Dean Ambrose just did one. It was pretty solid. Ambrose hates smarks. And Nerds, and DGUSA, and the fact that indy wrestlers are idiot marks.

Lance Storm when they hire him as a coach/producer. He was a multi champion on WCW and a player on the Invasion Angle.

The cool thing about tags is that you can make great tags with good/solid workers who understand tag team wrestling, but when you put two great wrestlers on a tag the tag ends up never being as great as both guys individually.

This isn't a defence of a dumb spot, but surely something like this (which I'm guessing is CZW's Tournament of Death? I haven't watched deathmatch wrestling in 7+ years at this point) is aimed more at the people buying DVDs, especially in the case of TOD which isn't even held in Philly. And from that perspective at least I don't know if you can say it's a failure. The majority of people who paid to watch the show were able to see a dude stick a needle into and through another dudes cheek. It's still a really dumb thing to do. In a match where both guys are bleeding bucketloads, I don't really fancy the idea of having one of the bloodsoaked competitors ram a needle into me. I mean the whole thing about needles is them being sterile, & that is clearly going to not be sterile & that freaks me out far more than the actual visual of a needle piercing the cheek, which is kind of shocking to actually see, but as Hooks says, it's also something lots of people apparently do for fun so it's not the most shocking thing ever. What did he get for this? A hotdog and a smile? I can't believe people are still doing these matches in 2014. Thumbtack Jack has retired and has done some dumb documentaries about being sad and death match wrestling being a a bad addiction. He's the german dude that was flying all the time to do the death matches who was assaulted by Ian Rotten after doing like 4 Death Matches in 2 days because he said he was going to put Ian's child on the oven. On the same show he had a match with Pondo, Pondo came up dressed as Hitler! Was hilarious... not.

It's Sheamus

I think most people in wrestling understand that wrestling is a performance. Whether they call it an "art" doesn't really make for different thinking processes and outcomes. But yes, Quack is one of the greatest minds EVER in wrestling. But you are missing a point: deprivation works you say. Obv that being out of business for this long makes the return something special and it's already sold out, great! Does that mean that the next shows will be so big that they will make up for the lack of shows and the bad Wrestling is turnouts? That's something else entirely. Deprivation only works if you the outcome compensates the months of privation and fear and struggle. And yes, they are making more noise than your average BIG indy wrestling angle, but that's a Russo argument. Doesn't mean that in June or July CHIKARA will be a bigger company than it was last year... they had huge momentum going last year. I tend to agree more with you on the Bryan situation, because I agree that for months the story was that he was better than Orton and evil plans were needed for Orton to win against Bryan in a 1 on 1 match at HiaC. Meanwhile, Bryan beat Cena clean and made Shawn Michaels tap like a bitch. But angles like the Wyatt un-turn as much as they make for one cathartic big moment they fuck up the coherence of the world such that the feud becomes booking team vs Bryan Danielson and the fans where the fans feel that if they hijack shows and chant for Bryan they will make the booking decisions change. No heat on world characters, no heat what fictitious storylines, messed up fourth wall etc. Sure, if Bryan makes Triple H tapout the fans may believe that Triple H hated to that finish but had to due to the fans hostility etc. and if Triple H wins you may say it was an ego decision and that makes the much somewhat more special. But why try to create real heat to one of the faces of the company? Why turn the crowd against WWE? As a systematic strategy to build outlaw underdogs? I understand that WWE now has different crowd to play with and sometimes babyface vs heel won't be as good as a dynamic as hardcore fans guy vs "masses" guy but that can't be made at the expenses of having anti WWE wrestlers in the roster just to draw from people who are upset at tha WWE. I believe that what they are doing with Bryan is counterproductive, that they lost some of their timing to elevate him, they don't want it overshadowing the other main event angles that they believe is where the money is, and in the end of all this, when the fans accept Bryan's role (whatever that is) I don't think he won't be much higher than where he was at Summerslam 2013 nor do I think that the product benefited from having Cena vs Orton and Orton vs Batista matches when this other guy was more over with the live crowds. I don't care about Bryan being a main event or whatever, I think that the great thing about him is that you can make him lose against Heath Slater next monday and he will make a feud against 3MB work and will get an amazing and heated match against Heath. As a Bryan fan, I want to see having competitive awesome matches with midcarders. Still, if ever there was a time to give him a run with the title, take advantage of his popularity and try to have some main event angles that the people may care about... That's another thing, the concept of drawing. Can a great story draw better then "drawer + drawer"? WWE seems so obsessed about having its top drawers on the main event and expecting it to draw while at the same time they seem so unconcern about make the stories be logical and consequent. Sure, to have good stories you must have players, but still, I think that at the medium/long term they would have much more to gain by doing some gambling to elevate some guys even if it meant short term drops on ratings and buys (the network provides the best chance ever to do it since they will basically sell the PPVs on packages where youu have to buy 6 at a time, so you can have your 4 drawing PPVs but you can also had 2 PPVs designed to elevate some of the non drawers).