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  1. Teflon Turtle
    This is kinda what I mean when I say that longtime wrestling fans lose sight of just what a bizarre subculture wrestling is. As if a guy accused of real-world wrongdoing appearing on national television shortly after to do anything under a fictional alternate persona isn't insane enough...unless they do the deal where Vince is already in the ring when the broadcast goes live, there's a solid chance that dude walks out to "No Chance in Hell" just like "normal." Regardless of what his actual situation is. And people will pop for the song, because it's Vince, or "Vince," and/or they don't really care, or they've just been conditioned over the years. At least to me, that's 1000% batshit crazy and abnormal but many fans won't even stop to think about it. Then again, politicians use songs they don't understand at campaign rallies all of the time...but perhaps I've said too much.
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    That was a rollercoaster! Best LHW title fight in years.
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    This is not me disagreeing with you, because I do think it would work out OK if O'Reilly played it straight. However, just pointing out: there are a ton of oddballs, misfits, and other socially maladjusted outcast types in the BJJ and MMA world. It wouldn't shock me if at least half of the weirdo mannerisms KOR uses on TV he picked up at the gym(s) he trains at, just down to the goofy screwing around that happens when your hobby entails sweating on and fighting other human beings. If he wants to keep doing what he's doing, fine by me. Somewhat to @Gordlow's point that it could be pedantic to point out that New Zealand, Australia, and Japan are not in or near the Atlantic Ocean: for a second, I started worrying that whoever came up with that belt design and name subscribed to some sort of flat earth theory that would somehow make the flags and belt name make sense, but I then short-circuited trying to figure out how they could rationalize everything even within that belief system. I admit that all of this sent me further in to a spiral. I spent most of my lunch break today coming up with the ways AEW could be the most "geographically pedantic yet rife with cocaine-laden, nonsensical factual errors" wrestling promotion. I demand the AEW Pacific Rim Championship and the AEW Eurasian Steppes Championship (THEY'RE DIFFERENT, DAMMIT)! After that, I think it's time for the inaugural Bosporus Strait Tournament to crown the first AEW Sumo wrestling champion, but it's only open to guys from Illinois or Nebraska.
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    I take a "we'll see" approach to just about everything, but I think this is good news. Berserk was recommended to me by a friend a year or so before Miura passed, but I didn't have the means to collect the deluxe editions that Dark Horse has been putting out until now. From what I've gathered so far, at least in terms of art Miura's shoes are probably impossible to fill. That said, overall I'm glad that old and new fans of the story can hopefully get something close to a proper conclusion.
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    One ticket for the Konosuke Takeshita bandwagon, please! I feel like there are a lot of dream matches possible that could take place on AEW's turf for him given all of the promotion's working relationships, but it'll be hard to navigate that in a way that'd keep all interested parties happy. Still, if the guy is around for a while I feel like he should keep getting featured spots. All the potential in the world, and I'm looking forward to checking out his past work. If AEW wants to just have their programs be Bret Hart tributes and references to Heat, they have unwittingly discovered the fastest way to my wallet. I will meet some of you in the middle with Kyle O'Reilly. He alone is probably not enough to get me to buy a ticket, but he combines his MMA/BJJ techniques with pro wrestling in a lot of creative ways, and I think that makes him a lot of fun to watch. He has successfully set himself apart from other shoot-style wrestlers, I feel. And as many of you have mentioned, the finish to his match was great. I think for people who watch pro wrestling and MMA both, one of the harder parts of suspension of disbelief can be that MMA submissions and pro-wrestling submissions exist in entirely different universes in terms of how they usually "work," when it's the same move being done. I don't know if Fenix tapping to that armbar immediately ruins kayfabe, but personally I like seeing some submissions in wrestling that garner immediate results. That was his injured arm, and "panic taps" are a thing in grappling.
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    I think Makhachev vs. Oliveira is as close as we'll ever get and that's actually the fight I'd want to see next. It's not the biggest money fight for the belt, but stylistically I think it's intriguing. I don't want to jinx anything, but I feel like Conor vs. Charles Oliveira is a gimme fight for Charles at this point, and therefore I'm not terribly interested in it. If McGregor can keep himself in order for a few minutes, let him and Chandler fight at 170 first.
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    Yup...I forgot all about the presale. Habits are a bitch. Since I work 9-5 and don't usually have to break away from work to get in a queue for tickets, I missed out yesterday. Jumped in queue this morning 6 minutes after the general public onsale. Waited for about 15-20 minutes...and after that started to see hundreds of people in front of me bounce out of queue. To take the late, great Brodie Lee out of context: "You know what that means." It said I could get two tickets in some nosebleed section yet every seat was greyed out?! Since I only needed one - and tried to switch to one ticket - no options available. This will be yet another "next time" for me unless more seats magically open up. Not really feeling paying scalper prices to go to this, but we'll see.
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    Something looked off during that opening sequence, but I was a bit distracted and couldn't quite tell if it was a miscommunication that happened on the fly or if the two teams maybe weren't on the same page even before walking out. Either way, if I'm the guy who had to eat that spear at the end, I'm at least a little annoyed. I don't think he was the offending party. Between that and the head smack after seemingly getting shaken up on that dive a week or so back, Starks really isn't hesitating to dole out payback on these Youtube shows.
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    I'd love to know what Starks and Hobbs' opponents said to them before their match to earn that clubbering.
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    I need more sleep. It took me 3 or 4 looks to realize that Pillman was holding a beer and did not, in fact, have his hand on Alex Wright's leg. I'm sitting here going "man, this image is cursed for all kinds of reasons."
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    I'd love it if Omega was healthy enough to wrestle on this show, but hasn't it been radio silence about his return, by and large? (Come to think of it, Ibushi was removed from the New Japan Cup and nothing has been said - that I've caught, anyway - about his return either.) Anyway, there's a not-insignificant contingent that will buy a ticket for this for even a potential hint of Omega/Ibushi interaction. But yeah, I think it's been covered above: if you want to be 100% dead certain your AEW/NJPW pro-wrestling show sells out, put Okada/Punk on as main event, and book a Golden Lovers tag match if both guys are available. Hell with it, I'll fanboy out for a second. Give me Takagi/Naito vs. Cole/Switchblade. Shingo can get his "Shingo Takagi BAYBAY!" chant started here, and it gives us all the best possible chance of hearing the LIJ roll call on U.S. soil. Edit: I really like @The Natural's idea of getting Danielson/ZSJ done on this show. Run the dream matches while you can. That match sells itself wherever it takes place. My only reservation might be to save it for the G1 if it's possible for Danielson to participate in that this year/maybe next.
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    I think the only thing I'd have changed about the NJPW/AEW announcement is that, in retrospect, I wish Jay White's first AEW appearance was tonight versus the cameo + one or two matches he had previously. Him walking out isn't as huge as the "coin drop", but dude is a star and has the potential to keep growing - if he shows up, you do what you can to make it feel like a big deal. (More impactful, excuse the pun.) Otherwise, I'm pumped for everything else about this announcement. NJPW just ran an event in the Chicago area last weekend, their first. I anticipate hopefully more big names from the NJPW roster showing up for this one as it's a PPV. Punk has talked about facing Okada in Chicago. I'd bet the two companies probably run with that as the main event. There's a limited amount of time and opportunity to get Okada in there with Danielson and Punk. If you're going to co-promote with more to come in the future, I think you have to do one of those matches immediately. That said...I am most excited because I am within short traveling distance to Chicago. Personally, I felt NJPW dropped the ball by not running Chicago sooner (namely, when folks like Omega and the Bucks were still on their roster - we saw how that turned out for those three plus AEW). I hope to get a ticket to this one...with luck, it'll be my first live pro-wrestling show in over 20 years.
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    If/when Shingo next works in the United States, I desperately want for this to happen, gimmick infringement be damned.
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    Agreed. Just personal preference: my favorite arcs of Hellboy are the ones where Mignola handles both the writing and art himself. For example, I know Richard Corben did some arcs and I've seen high praise for him, I think it's just that Mignola's art is more to my taste. The final stories of the main Hellboy arc where Duncan Fegredo takes over the art duties are fine, it just still doesn't feel quite right. But...it has been a few years since I've revisited it all, so I'm probably due. I love Hellboy the character, right? I've spent forever collecting BPRD and the extended Mignolaverse stuff, just need to finally get around to reading it all.
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    Agreed. I didn't find the main event particularly difficult to score, shouldn't be any controversy around it. I, for one, do not miss the days of the UFC where one fighter logging a takedown or two seemingly automatically won them the round regardless of what happened afterwards. Whittaker initiated the grappling exchanges but couldn't keep the fight where he wanted it for more than a few seconds at a time. Didn't gain any sort of significant control over Adesayna for any real time at all. Probably the biggest positional advantage he had was in the fifth where he was Izzy's "backpack," but he relinquished that after a short time once he couldn't secure the choke on one or two attempts.
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    For the fellow William/Lord Steven Regal fans on the board, he's just opened up a PWT store. Regal has always felt like one of those criminally underappreciated wrestlers outside of the DVDVR board and/or really passionate wrestling fans. https://www.prowrestlingtees.com/williamregal Three different designs to start. I'm feeling partial to this one.
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    I don't know what everybody's problem is; Peacock has a bunch of episodes of the original Iron Chef on it. Good enough for me. Also - I'm not sure if this comes from a decades-long wrestling fandom, but I often need to remind myself what a bizarre subculture pro-wrestling is or can be. Along with that, we all know it's one of the carny-est businesses...pretty much ever? So even if what Jeff Hardy did is morally questionable, I can't entirely fault him for possibly pulling a fast one and getting away with it. "They're a pro-wrestler, they just operate in different spheres" is a pretty crummy defense for a lot of things, but in a case like this...just kinda seems like the nature of the beast.
  18. Teflon Turtle
    Holy hell at that first round.
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    Right on. To me, this taps in to the larger overall discussion on how we in the wrestling fandom evaluate what makes a wrestler great/a "GOAT candidate." What gets the most weight, and why? In ring? Promos? Drawing power (which depending upon the fan, often has to do with the previous two - but again, in what proportion)? Longevity? Side note, this brought back a random bad wrestling memory for me: Rey Jr. getting booed as the 30th entrant in the Rumble...in whatever year that was...because he wasn't Danielson. I get that it was largely WWE being booed, but it felt so foreign to see Mysterio get a negative reception because he is so great at getting the crowd invested in him even when he's behind a mask, as you mentioned.
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    I missed the Mysterio/Mysterio or Liger question yesterday too. Rey Jr. is a really interesting case, to me. He has accomplished a ton, understands how to be a great in-ring competitor as well if not better than almost anybody drawing breath, started as a teenager and is still going. But, I've noticed he's been lost in the GOAT discussion...especially within the last decade or so: we've seen the emergence of guys like Okada and Omega, Hiroshi Tanahashi having a great decade, Bryan Danielson cementing his claim, etc. But...I think it's important that Rey Jr. be recognized as an all time great, if not the #1. All of the points made about how he's not the best promo and not the biggest draw are valid. If you ask me, though, he wrote the book on the modern little guy vs. big guy match template, esp. when he arrived in WWE. If he didn't, he's the absolute best ever at executing the psychology of a match like that. This is before we get to him being the cornerstone of a loaded WCW cruiserweight division. I don't really have a solid answer to him or Liger. I guess maybe Liger, since he was never saddled with late-career WWE nonsense? One should not blame the wrestler for his booking, however. If comparing the best work of both guys, I feel it's like responding to the question "Which 3-star Michelin restaurant would you like a free meal from today?" There isn't an incorrect answer.
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    I had a similar thought. I know the ailments aren't the same, but I also had to call to mind Tetsuya Naito. When Naito was working through his eye issues, he mentioned often seeing 6+ ring ropes while working his match, as opposed to three - never mind how his opponent appeared to him. Given his style, it seems miraculous he was able to make that work. You'd have to be dialed in every moment, and be so, so good at what you do to be able to compensate for stuff like this. Goes to show the level of skill these athletes have attained, as I see it.
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    Haven't watched the whole show or really even read this entire thread yet, just wanted to say it was cool as hell to see Rocky Romero popping in to wrestle Danielson. Rocky's a good vet who can absolutely still go despite taking a bit of a backseat in recent years, and I loved all the history that got discussed during the match. And the commentators pretty much said this exact thing about this discussion, but them having the freedom to discuss other companies and wrestlers is still so refreshing to me. For JR to be able to say on-air that Kazuchika Okada - a guy not employed by AEW - is a top five wrestler in the world (thereby passing up many AEW competitors JR is getting paid to hype up) still feels unusual to someone raised on a majority-WWE diet. I remember WWE using the phrase "IWGP champion" to describe AJ Styles when he joined up was unexpected, but they would never go as far as AEW is in acknowledging that great pro wrestling happens elsewhere, too.
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    Same boat, exactly right. The commentators aren't wrong when they say that Edgar had a remarkable achievement in winning the 155 lbs. title when there are guys running around at 135 today who are bigger than he is. But with all due respect to what Frankie accomplished, I'm a much bigger fan of how a guy like Vera comes out to mess you up in every way he can think of versus the "I won 51% of the fight, raise my hand please" fight style. Also, I know DC/Rogan/Anik probably don't need to belabor the point, but Machida has two of those front kick KOs in the UFC. Besides Couture, Vitor Belfort was unfortunately the recipient of the other.
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    Well, we got "mahogany" in to the MMA lexicon now. It's gonna be real interesting if some of the more striking-heavy fighters at MW want to try their luck. Dana White never seems to like Uriah Hall all that much, maybe they do that next. I'm also wondering if noted professional crazy person Sean Strickland would be insane enough to keep it a striking match with Pereira (my guess would be he's not quite that crazy, but I've been wrong about a lot in life). Perhaps they compromise at Darren Till.
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    There is a lot of potential excitement to be had on this card. Not discussed in the thread yet: the UFC debut of 2-division Glory Kickboxing champion Alex Pereira. I am both intrigued and terrified by the prospect of that guy teeing off on people with 4 oz. gloves. I am in the camp of people who thinks any discussion of fast tracking him to a match with Adesanya is premature, despite their history. But, if he can stay off the ground he's a big, big KO threat to just about everyone I can think of. Should he win tomorrow, it'll be interesting to see what the UFC does with him.
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