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That's a tough one. Kane, despite some of the bullshit they've had him do, hasn't ever not been over. Plus, he had the WWF title for a day in addition to the "lifetime achievement" ECW and WHC runs, which is more than can be said for Orndorff as far as meaningful runs. I mean, Kane and Bryan polished the hell out of that Dr. Shelby turd-- compare that to Orndorff's motivational talk from Gary Spivey. As far as someone who I'd put in that boat today, I'd have to say The Miz, despite his time with the title. I liked his smarminess, but the fact is, he, like Orndorff, was unfortunately part of one of the lesser-celebrated WM mains despite being surrounded by stars, and probably won't reach that level again unless there is some serious rehabilitation to his character.

This looks to be the best quality available: I'm pretty impressed. I liked this much more than anything on Death Magnetic, even judging by some dude's cell phone recording. That harmony part near the middle-end is as old-school as it comes. The song to me is like if Leper Messiah was written in the '90s. The riffs are very good together and not at all disjointed like parts of DM; they definitely used AJFA and black as source material here. The new Sabbath suffered from the same thing, so I've gotta assume that's Rick Rubin guidance. I'd love if they would get an Andy Sneap or a Roy Z in there. Shit, could even Bob Rock do any worse than St. Anger? Soundboard version should be available from LiveMetallica in the next couple of days.

Same here. I ordered Mania 9 out of habit but as I was already well on my way out of wrestling by that point. It'd be the last ppv I ordered until Mania 13. I saw the Flair-Perfect match and Janetty-HBK (not sure if that ep is up yet as I'm only up to ep 4) on a comp from my tape trading days but never the whole shows. Santana-Flair was a nice little match although sucks Tito never busted out his figure four. Oh and he may be legendarily awful but Rob Bartlett beginning ep2 by ripping up a picture of Heenan and saying "Fight the real enemy" was pretty damn funny. Too bad his other 367 joked were terrible. I just got through watching Tito-Flair. I liked it a lot! It was fun in a way I can't really articulate. I thought Flair and Perfect's brawl and promos afterwards were fantastic. Rob Bartlett... holy shit, his references during that match were so painfully dated and awkward and AMAZING. "Are Regis and Kathie Lee a tag team now?" was a real highlight, as was saying that Flair should "take a Prozac". There was also a great crack about Flair looking like Mary Jo Buttafuoco. Pure early 90s hacky Kenny Bannia crap that I just couldn't stop laughing at. EDIT: Just started the 4th episode of Raw. Good God, this Beefcake promo about his dead parents and the parasailing accident...

After I read this, I went to profightdb to try and look for Kidman/Rey tags from that period to check out, and aside from the names one would expect, I saw a couple Disorderly Conduct matches (one of my favorite C-show teams), a couple with various configurations of Barry Windham, Hennig, and the rest of West Texas Rednecks, and a singles with Bam Bam that I don't remember seeing when it was on. So needless to say, I know what I'm doing for the rest of my evening. I also want to re-watch some of the super late WCW stuff with them against like 3 Count or Jung Dragons. I didn't care for it at the time, but it's been a good long while since I last saw a lot of that stuff. Thats sort of why I was asking. Honest to God, I don't even know if I thought it was BAD per se, just nothing is really sticking out for me like I thought it would. I remember the initial mask stuff with Nash but really, it's all sort of a blur after that until like, the very tail end

Let me pose this question, not just to you, but anyone else who wants to chime in: As far as the 5-15 Rey TV match goes, would you rather watch maskless, Filthy Animals Rey, doing bronco busters and shit or the Rey of the last couple years?

I have the same problem but it's with imagining the stupid fucking face he pulls when he's not talking. Like Droopy trying to solve a magic eye puzzle. Agreed on that face. No matter what Taz or West or Schiavone would say, he just has this weird look of concern. In retrospect, it may be a cry for help of some sort. And for what it's worth, I loved Tenay when I was a kid. I think it was '96 or '97 where he had this little five minute video segment about lucha every week on Nitro, and I thought he was like this serious, 60 Minutes-esque investigative journalist or historian or something because there was b-roll of him walking through like, a mask shop somewhere in Tijuana. To me, Rey has really hurt his all-time standing with his last few years. I started to sour on him with his Eddie Guerrero Memorial WHC run, but I really feel like he's hung around too long now. I think the arguments either for or against Rey's title runs can be boiled down to these questions: 1) Would he have gotten the WHC if not for Eddy's passing? 2) Would he have gotten a run if there was only one World title? 3) How much of his perceived success or failure hinges on the way the booking was handled at that time? Personally, I think Rey is great. He's been around forever, is perpetually over, and has had great matches with nearly everyone. In my opinion, his difficulties with injuries over the last few years have hurt him a lot more than any crowd reaction, booking decision, or other extraneous factor. Not so much in that he can't do what he used to-- I mean, how many guys that are still around are just as good as they were in the '90s?-- but more so in that I get the impression it's difficult to commit to any kind of booking plan for him.

Maybe, but I really love those guys. To me, nothing beats the schadenfreude behind watching Hogan trying to hit Warrior at Halloween Havoc (though it's not WWF/WWE).

Yeah, I made a comment in the Raw thread that Bray should have been the Yellow King. I'll be surprised if we don't get some antlers at some point, and I'm sure they'll some creepy Nikki stuff to heat up the feud. I'm out of likes for the day apparently, but that's awesome, man. I must have totally glossed over it.

I don't know if anyone watches True Detective, but I think

That was Zeb going HAM with that broken crutch, right?

I've been lurking here for years, and I have to say, it is a little weird seeing how many people reference wives and kids etc. now.

You're asking if they should have launched a possible fallback content delivery system that gives them more options before they negotiate a new contract? I suppose it would be funny if Vince decides he can play hardball and threaten to put everything on the WWE Network if his price isn't met and that leads to Raw and Smackdown being online-only for the next six months. I hadn't looked at it that way. For some reason, I was fixated on the idea of them drawing the ire of Big Cable being a much bigger roadblock than it actually is. You're being much more sensible than I am.

I think it says a lot about me as a human person when the fact is, it's 4:30 AM, my life is in shambles, and all I can think is "Man, should they have launched the network the same year the TV deals were up?"

I got shitty with my friends tonight. Did I end up getting laid? No. Did I have this song stuck in my head as a result of thid thread? Maybe

The fact no one has mentioned Northern State makes me sad almost... James I'm out of likes for the day, but WOW what a blast from the past. That damn song is gonna be stuck in my head all night, now. I don't know the name of it, but you know the one I'm talking about. "I went to a partyyyyy..."

This is why Tommy Dreamer's story should be told to ever guy who makes it to WWE. What story? Marrying a Penthouse pet, making a butt-ton of royalty cash, and telling Dixie and the world that the concussion problem is overblown and that they definitely didn't cause Junior Seau to off himself? Work hard at what you love and accept that not everyone makes it to the top but there are other ways to stay involved. Dreamer was smart enough to know he would never be THE guy in ECW or any other promotion, so he learned the business behind the business and made himself that much more valuable. Thankfully more guys are coming into the system understanding that these days and I think the performance centre will help alot. I liked this post earlier today on my phone, but I couldn't send a reply. I'm sorry for being a dick. It seemed like you were mentioning Dreamer as a cautionary tale, which made no sense to me. But you're 100% right. I think they're doing some financial management classes at the Performance Center as well, IIRC.

I like how this cat is 68 and in better shape than most of us will ever be in, but mad dudes are all calling for death and/or retirement

This is why Tommy Dreamer's story should be told to ever guy who makes it to WWE. What story? Marrying a Penthouse pet, making a butt-ton of royalty cash, and telling Dixie and the world that the concussion problem is overblown and that they definitely didn't cause Junior Seau to off himself?

I can't remember where I saw it, maybe his Reddit AMA, but I saw Foley say that he really didn't consider full-time retirement until he threw up after a TNA match and thought "Gosh, I really shouldn't be doing this anymore." I don't know about anyone else, but that, as a fan, fucks me up.

He makes sure to keep the booze on a table he can't reach and not on the nightstand by the bed as motivation to get up. As the close friend of several alcoholics (probably myself included) I didn't really think too much about Flair's partying until we stumbled upon an episode of Impact during a hang out session, and one of the young go-hards commented "Damn, that nigga's face RED"

Man Foley is perhaps the saddest "old dude" going. Flair looks like death and has fucked up his life. Hogan has pissed all over my memories of him. But Foley is like the cool crazy uncle you grew up with and you'd see him like twice a year and just want to hang out with him forever. Then when you're older he buys you beer and tells you cool stories and gives you dirty magazines and he's just the dude that you hang out with at parties and shit. Then you're 24 and you realise he's no further along in life than when he was 18 and he's just doddering about trying to be cool and funny and you always go to his place to meet up with him because your girlfriend hates him. Then you're 30 and he's never met your kids because you're scared he'll walk in the room stinking of piss and cigarettes and they'll be traumatised for years. Forget the whole "I don't know where I live" thing, I wasn't worried about Foley's concussion count until that one real weird Melina chapter in his third book.

hitting him in the head with a boombox may have been police brutality though The Headbangers would have smashed a JVC Kaboom-box over a cop's head. FTFY

Gahhh, that is real talk..

"Did he sell it?"

The three figures belong together because they're all Paul Heyman Guys™, duh. That AWA shirt is fucking rad. I'm trying to find it but yielding no results.