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I hated most of Ambrose's work this voting period for reasons that aren't entirely his fault. He may be the worst booked wrestler in the worst booked promotion of the entire voting period. He went from being the hot up and comer to a wrestler no one gives a fuck about...and somehow he gets my vote. Yuji Okabayashi is a person who could be sitting in my office right now and I wouldn't know who he is.

Okada is one of my favorites warts and all. He has crazy charisma, has a well defined character, clearly wants to improve, and has dat dropkick. Sure he forgets to sell sometimes. He has a finisher that is a lot like the spear, the burden is on the taker of the move to make it look good. He can hit it clean, but if his opponent doesn't sell it well it doesn't really look like anything. I always thought that it would look better with a leg sweep, but that is coming from someone who likes likes the osoto gari and thinks it could be a wrestling finisher if hit with enough flourish. I don't even know what Dragon Lee looks like.(Didn't get a chance to watch the posted match) Okada gets my vote.

I have no idea how good Ultimo Guerrero is, but I do know how good Roman Reigns isn't at this point of his career. Sadly Reigns and his too much too soon push is getting my vote. He has huge potential, and hopefully he reaches it, but he just plain isn't there yet. This is a I just didn't have the time to watch Ultimo Guerrero vote, and I'll admit it is probably wrong.

The only Rampage Brown match I've watched is the one that was posted in the first post. It was about 10 minutes out of a 30 minute ironman match, that was interrupted by a 10 minute intermission to advertise a match between two guys I've never heard of and have no interest in watching. Itami doesn't necessarily win my vote, but he gets it. Itami is such a strange case, we are basically judging him on how he has adapted to a new style on a show all of us love. He hasn't been great, but he's had moments and I'm voting for those moments.

I like both of these guys a great deal, but AJ was one of the absolute best workers in the world. Ricochet has improved so much, but he didn't reach the heights that AJ did.

I'm not saying he isn't very good at what he does, I'm saying what he does is not getting any votes from me. Daniel Bryan was doing a ton of convoluted grappling, but unlike Sabre his offense looked like it hurt. People can disagree, which apparently they do based on the votes, but it won't change the fact that he wrestles a style that I find uninteresting. I don't think he's a bad worker, but he works in a way that is basically the exact opposite of what I like in wrestling. He works a submission based style except all of his submissions look about as painful as Cena's STF.

I know it is probably too late to ask this, but is there any way we could do 48 hours per poll? I'm actually trying to watch at least one match from all of these guys, and I just plain don't have time to do it within 24 hours. Maybe something we can think about for next year.

Except when dudes like William Regal do it he looks like he's killing his opponent. I don't mind mat wrestling, or even complicated escapes, but I want it to look like a competition not an exhibition. Zack Sabre Jr. is the Pro Bowl to William Regal's Super Bowl, sure they're both football, but one feels like it has consequences and the other feels like they're going through the motions. I watched Sabre do about 76 submissions and none of them looked particularly painful. None of them looked like his opponent didn't cooperate with him to be put in them. None of them looked like they were done in order to win a competition. They all looked like they were done for aesthetic not competitive reasons.

It isn't that it was bad and unrealistic, it was that it was overly complicated in a way that made it look worse than the usual bad and unrealistic mat wrestling. I know wrestling is a work, but I want people to work to make it look like it isn't complete bullshit. I get that these guys aren't actually grappling, but going from hold to hold with a 360 spin and a handspring just looks like dudes doing gymnastics while holding hands. These guys don't look like they're competing, they look like they're doing a choreographed routine. I wouldn't mind if he did a flippy escape or a flying armbar here and there, but to build your entire wrestling style around doing mat work that is 100% reliant on your opponent being helpless to watch you cartwheel around while holding his hand is not for me. Therefore he gets no votes.

So what you guys are saying is that I shouldn't have judged Gulak on the match posted here? I hated that match and figured the story of ADR slapping a racist made him better than whatever could have come from Gulak if that was representative of his year. Seriously, the matches posted should be a decent representation of what a guy did over the last year. I haven't watched a lot of these guys but if I'm not interested in watching more of a worker based on their posted match they aren't getting my vote.

Has anyone here ever done any grappling? Zack Sabre Jr.'s entire style makes seems inauthentic to me. If a black belt in jiu jitsu rolls with a newbie on his first day it looks more competitive than a Zack Sabre Jr. match. Why are his opponents letting him do three back rolls, a cart wheel, and then putting his arm on the ground in an unnatural position before stomping on it? These other dudes are professional wrestlers, they should have some sort of defense against his offense. The only matches I've seen of either of these two are the ones posted above, but Sato impressed me more so he gets my vote.

Brian Hoyer is not an NFL starting quarterback, the Browns should not offer him a long term contract. Josh McCown is also terrible, but probably considerably cheaper than Hoyer. Hoyer wants to be a starter and make starter money, but then again so do I. That doesn't mean they should pay him or me that money.

In what context is that ever an appropriate facial expression?

I was in a cab in Vegas and the cab driver ran at least 5 red lights, it was the single scariest car ride of my life.(I've actually had quite a few, but not by people who are supposed to be professionals.) We ended up with like a $5 cab ride back from the club when it cost like $18 to get there. I don't understand why he was not only putting us in danger, but he was doing it at the expense of his own pay. I've been to Vegas three times, and could probably tell you 10 crazy cab stories, this is just the one that relates to this post. On to my pet peeves. People who speak to me like they are a 16 year old from Compton in 1995. As a black dude who has always been open to hanging out with just about anyone this comes up surprisingly often. If I say "excuse me" so I can squeeze past you in a crowd don't say, "My bad homey, it's all good," just move out the way. I need an editor from time to time, but I spend most of my life reading, writing, and talking. If you are speaking English I will have no problem understanding what you say. Talking to me like we're in that 2pac video you liked when you were younger will make me hate you. People who play ask the black dude piss me off. I don't speak for anyone other than myself, I have no idea why anyone does anything unless I'm the one doing it. Stop asking me why black people do stuff, I don't know why anyone of any race does anything. I don't even know why I do some of the dumb shit I do, how could I possibly know why anyone else does something? People who believe that their opinion is the only possible way to look at something. If you can't fathom how people can have different life experiences than you, you are an idiot. Not everyone is going to believe whatever you believe in and it is OK. Matter of fact, you should probably talk to more people who have differing opinions, because you'll become a more well rounded person. There are very few things that are black and white, almost everything is a shade of gray. You don't know everything, neither do I, nor does anyone else. Respect other people. You don't have to kowtow to them, just treat them like people. Is that hard? People who don't respect my time is probably my #1 pet peeve. I'm a single guy with no kids, I basically do whatever I want whenever I want. That does not mean that I don't have plenty of things to do. I'm not going to be sitting around waiting for you. I'm not going to change my plans because of your schedule. You can't tell me that I can't do things because you can't do them. I have crafted a life to maximize my time doing the things that I like to do and minimize the time I spend doing things I don't want to do. This was not an accident, it was a plan that took years to make a reality. I would never tell someone to wait on me to do something they like, I just ask that you do the same for me.

Funking Fairfax county in Virginia hasn't had a full week of school since the new year started. I am tired of these children. So tired. You mean the county I work in? The one with the kids constantly using #closeFCPS Stupid youth. I hope they close school every day, my usually horrific commute has been pretty sweet these last couple of weeks.

It is insane how his exact skill set exploits the current trends of drive and kick/pace and space over the last few seasons. He is the perfect modern shooting guard. He can shoot threes, get to the basket whenever he wants, magnetically attracts fouls, plus he has elite court vision and passing skills. He's a top 5 player in the league, and is probably top 3.

I've heard multiple players talk about how Harden's #1 talent is that you can't help but foul him. He drives tot he basket differently than everyone else and defenders have no idea to react to it. He's the MVP by a good margin in my mind, and I'm Westbrook's #1 fan. Have you seen their starting line up lately? They are the 3 seed in one of the toughest conferences ever, and it's because Harden can't be stopped.

So my journey through the Meltzer List has brought me to 1992, and I've decided to change things up a little bit. Instead of going from top to bottom by star rating, I've decided that I'm going to go by date. I think this will make these posts better for a couple reasons. First of all, going from best to worst makes the end of each year's list drag a little, because I know that I've already seen the best of that year. Second, watching matches in order allows me to see them with a certain level of context. I'm not watching all the angles and interviews going into these matches, and odds are I wouldn't understand most of them any way, but hopefully watching these matches in the order they happened will give me more insight on the storylines of these matches. 1/4/92 - Steiners vs. Muta/Sting (NJPW) ****1/4 Muta and Scott start, but not before Muta spews the ever so rare blue mist. If the matches of 1992 were put onto one show, this may very well be the ideal opener. It is four good, well known workers who have a lot of flashy moves, but ultimately doesn't serve any real purpose on the card but to be a fun action packed match. I swear that Rick and Scott hit every single move they know on Muta with no real rhyme or reason. They just throw him around the ring with every suplex and slam they can think of. There are a couple really cool spots though, like Rick catching Muta mid handspring elbow and German suplexing him. I'd say this is a step down from the Steiner matches in 1991 in terms of match structure, but this is a step up in terms of "Oh shit did you see that fucking suplex." So, I'd say ****1/4 is just about right if you grade this on the "I know this is going to be a spotfest" curve. 1/10/92 - Misawa/Kawada/Kobashi vs. Tsuruta/Ogawa/Fuchi (AJPW) ****1/2 This is joined in progress…It is only fair that we start this year with the feud that has supplied the most quality matches over the last two years. Sadly, this will be the last year we get to see any Jumbo matches, but because he's Jumbo he's in 14 ****+ matches in 1992. For those that don't know, he was diagnosed with Hepatitis B and was never really the same wrestler, but he did wrestle from time to time until 1999. This match is wrestled in the classic southern tag style with the heels isolating Kobashi, working over his knee and basically being bastards. Once again Fuchi is amazing as the smarmy fuckhead. The heat segment of this match starts when Fuchi runs in on Kobashi, Kobashi smacks the shit out of him and then when Kobashi turns around Fuchi takes out his knee. This 15 seconds basically established Fuchi as the world's biggest bitch and Kobashi as the world's most sympathetic babyface. That is the beauty of this series. Everyone has their role, everyone plays their role well, and every role plays well with all the other roles. This match is ****1/2, but this is one of the worst matches in the series…yeah, this series is really that good. The funny thing about this series is that I could see how someone could like each one more than another, but for me this one didn't tell as good of a story in the ring as some of the others. The heat segment was the highlight here, but Kobashi immediately stopped selling the knee when he made the hot tag. That is essentially the biggest flaw in this match, but it was still damn good. 1/21/92 - Tsuruta vs. Kawada (AJPW) **** When it comes to Japanese heavyweight wrestlers my two favorites are Jumbo Tsuruta and Toshiaki Kawada. They embody everything I want in wrestling. I love how Jumbo, a man who doesn't have to show respect to anyone, respects the danger that comes from being in the ring with Kawada. He isn't scared, and he doesn't necessarily respect Kawada as a man, but he knows that Kawada isn't a wrestler he can take lightly. When they are in a neutral position he would never just haul off and slap Kawada, but if he has him against the ropes where Kawada is clearly at a disadvantage he won't hesitate to slap the shit out of him. Kawada takes advantage of this by wrestling like someone who you might be a little apprehensive about slapping. When Kawada is on offense he has a plan and is almost inhumanely efficient about executing that plan. He came into this match with the plan to take out Jumbo's legs and he attacks Jumbo's legs every single chance he gets. Jumbo's offense on the other hand is that of a man who is out to prove that he is still the ultimate bad ass. When he has Kawada down he tries to dominate him like a grown ass man would to some teenage punk who decided it was a good idea to pick a fight with him. Kawada, a man who is not going to be dominated, decides to pull out all the stops and goes as far as hitting a plancha and an elbow from the apron to the floor. At this point Kawada believes he can beat the legendary champion, and maybe, just maybe, Jumbo believes it too. They both go into "fuck this, I'm not losing," mode and that is when the ass kicking really starts. Kawada locks on multiple stretch plums and almost has Jumbo beat. Kawada's enthusiasm gets the best of him, and goes to the well once too often allowing Jumbo to take over and finish him with a series of big moves including two nasty back drops. This was great, I'd personally rate it above ****, but I'm also a mark for both of these guys. 1/21/92 - Windham/Dustin/Simmons vs. Eaton/Zbyszko/Anderson **** This match includes three people in the conversation of best tag worker of all time, and three others who have been parts of damn good tag teams. If you put any combination of these six guys into a tag team within a year the absolute worst you would get is pretty damn good. Seriously, if they tried to have a bad match they couldn't have done it. This show and match is basically WCW in a nutshell. Half of this show is filled with meaningless matches full of guys who were either over the hill or green as grass. The top two matches have the 10 guys in the company who they should have been building the company around, and somehow this match only gets 10 minutes. These six guys should have had twice that amount of time instead of having PN News wrestle DDP 5 years before he was any good. These guys had 10 minutes and somehow everyone came out looking like a million bucks. This is **** and they didn't even get enough time to put together a match that had an in ring story. The fact that WCW stayed in business until 2001 is a miracle. 1/24/92 - Misawa/Kawada/Kobashi vs. Tsuruta/Taue/Fuchi (AJPW) ****1/2 Our old friends are back and this time they go for almost an hour. As a contrast to the last match, this is what happens when a wrestling company trusts their talent. WCW had 6 elite tag workers in a match and gave them less than 10 minutes, All Japan has 6 elite tag workers and gave them an hour. The last match was essentially a series of fun spots that was fun to watch but didn't tell a story. This is a story highlighted by fun spots. The thing that strikes me very early in this match is that Kobashi seems to be wrestling with more confidence. He was the clear #3 babyface in previous matches. He was always designated to be the one who was going to be face in peril and take most of the heels offense. He hasn't overtaken Misawa and Kawada, but he's closed the gap enough that he isn't going to be the designated whipping boy. Everyone else seems to have turned the aggression up as well. This rivalry is entering its third year and it is very clear that they hate each other's guts. There is a spot where Fuchi comes in to break up a pin and Kawada comes in and just brutalizes him with about 75 elbows in the corner. Kawada also seems to have gone from #2 babyface to #1b. The match with Jumbo from a couple of days prior seems to have raised his confidence level to the point that he thinks he is Jumbo's equal. Misawa is the face in peril for most of this match, and the heels do some of the nastiest leg work you'll ever see on him. Fuchi is seemingly from the Japanese branch of the Anderson family. He knows how to work over a body part in a way that is just plain vicious. The end of this match is beautifully chaotic as usual with Kobashi taking all of the heels big moves and kicking out as Kawada and Misawa keep getting cut off trying to save him. Taue eventually stops him with a chokeslam and we have another ****1/2 match in the books. If I had to choose between this match and the January 10th match I'd probably pick this one. They are around the same level as far as quality goes, but this one seemed to have a little more aggression and Misawa sold the knee work better. 2/22/92 - Kawada/Kikuchi vs. Furnas/Kroffat (AJPW) ****1/2 Kroffat and Furnas jump Kawada and Kikuchi before the bell. Furnas military press slams Kikuchi to the floor, and Kikuchi once again proves that he is willing to die for our entertainment. Kroffat not to be outdone throws Kawada to the floor and hits him with a tiger driver. Kawada sells the tiger driver like he's dead. He's doing that sell where he tries to stand up, but slowly collapses and falls on his ass. Kawada eventually gets the hot tag to Kikuchi, but it doesn't take long for Kroffat and Furnas beat the hell out of him too. Furnas and Kroffat have some awesome offense. Furnas uses a liontamer and does a pretty nasty lateral drop belly to belly. Kroffat has the world's most vicious cobra clutch and a running powerbomb. They also hit a top rope version of the Hart attack. I know we like to make fun of dudes who do a lot of movez, but I've never really been one to hate on guys with diverse movesets if they make the moves count. These guys do all types of interesting moves, but all of them are used to try to put their opponents away. Everything they do looks painful and that makes all of the near falls seem like they could have legitimately been the end of the match. The story of this match is that Furnas and Kroffat are trying to end this match as soon as possible. I don't know if they had some booty lined up or what, but they were trying to get the hell out of there. Kawada and Kikuchi were playing from behind for the entire match and it seemed like Kroffat and Furnas were one move away from winning. So all the crazy moves make sense. This is probably slightly overrated at ****1/2, I think I'd rank it around ****. 2/27/92 - Tsuruta vs. Kobashi (AJPW) **** This is basically youth and enthusiasm vs. age and experience. If this was a football game Kobashi would be trying to throw the ball 50 times and win with big plays. Jumbo would just run the ball down your throat until you wore down and gave up. The beauty of Kobashi's style is that you never really know what you might see. You know exactly what you're getting when you get into the ring with Jumbo, but that does not mean you have a better chance at stopping it. This is a match where you see Kobashi hitting big moves like bulldogs from the apron to the floor, and Jumbo trying to break Kobashi's sternum with kitchen sink knees to the bread basket. It is a fun matchup of styles. because if Kobashi can hit one of those homerun moves he could realistically beat Jumbo. The problem is if Jumbo can counter one of those homerun moves Kobashi is going to be in a world of hurt. Jumbo's strategy won't end the match with one shot, but he also won't hurt himself taking an unnecessary risk. As the match goes on you see that despite their preferred method of offense both guys are capable of playing the other's game when the opportunity presents itself. When Kobashi has Jumbo down he grounds the veteran and tries to work on his legs. He knows he needs to take advantage when Jumbo is hurt to maximize the effectiveness of his big moves. Jumbo on the other hand understands that he can use his conservative offense to lull his opponents to sleep and he can take a shot at the end zone when they least expect it. Jumbo actually hits a tope rope cross body that almost ends Kobashi's night. The dynamic between these two is different than when Jumbo faces Kawada or Misawa. Those two play a game that is much more focused on attrition than Kobashi. Kobashi can't win a match with Jumbo by trying to play field position, he needs to get down the field and get in the endzone. The problem is he goes for one big play too many and Jumbo catches him with one of those knees to the sternum and finishes him with a back drop. I really liked this match, I'd rank it at ****1/4 as these guys have a really fun chemistry. Kobashi really wants to beat Jumbo and he is willing to use every tool in his toolbox in order to get the job done. Jumbo starts off trying to just wear Kobashi down until he realizes that the youngster has improved and he's going to have to put his working boots on if he wants to win. 2/29/92 - Pillman vs. Liger (WCW) ****3/4 This is a pretty famous match that is in the conversation for best opening match ever. Brian Pillman was great at this point in his career, despite WCW not having any idea what to do with him. He should have been pushed higher up the card, but then we probably wouldn't have this match. This is a match I've seen probably 25 times, as these two were amongst my favorites as a kid. This is a match that has a reputation of being a crazy high flying match, but the vast majority of this match takes place on the mat. This is essentially the prototype for the cruiserweight division that comes into prominence later in the decade. The cruiserweight division was full of planchas and hurricaranas, but the some of the best matches were full of matwork. The flying moves in this match were the high spots, but the meat of this match was good fundamental wrestling. I imagine most of you have seen this match, and if you haven't why the hell haven't you watched this yet? This is probably a little overrated by today's standards, but this was ****3/4 when it happened. 3/31/92 - Kawada vs. Taue (AJPW) ****1/4 If you've been following along, you'll know that Kawada and Taue hate each other. Don't worry if you haven't been following, because Taue makes it very clear that he has no respect for Kawada or his well being by jumping him before the bell, hitting a tope, and chokeslamming him on the floor. This was my favorite feud of 1991, and I think it's safe to say that their hatred hasn't cooled down at all. I love this feud because it is unlike everything else that All Japan does. All Japan in the 90s is probably the best in the world at heavyweight wrestling, but they don't really do brawls. The matches can be hate filled and competitive, but it always feels like a wrestling match. The matches between these two feel like a fight between two guys who wrestle. Sure they work holds here and there, but it comes off like they are doing it because those are the weapons they have in their arsenal, not because they are actually trying to see who is the best wrestler. If Kawada worked in the states he'd probably be seen as a brawler like a Cactus Jack, he even hits a Cactus elbow off the apron here. (I can only imagine what they would have come up with if Kawada and Cactus actually wrestled in their primes.) He'd probably be the best brawler of all time if he worked in a company that actually did more brawls. That doesn't mean that Taue isn't up to the task as a brawler as well. These two beat the ever loving hell out of each other. Taue is the Vader to Kawada's Cactus Jack. He has the power advantage and the viciousness advantage. He hits his cobra clutch sideslam finisher only to have Kawada kick out. Taue then gets pissed and hits him with another one, but instead of pinning him he picks him up and hits him with a third one. He probably didn't need the third one, but Taue wanted to punish that son of a bitch for having the audacity to kick out of the first one. I could watch these two wrestle 10 more matches just like this I gave this one ****1/2. 4/5/92 - Savage vs. Flair (WWF) ****1/4 Sorry friends, but I'm not even going to try to be objective about this match. This is probably in my top five most watched matches, and I've loved it every single time. Macho Man Randy Savage is my favorite wrestler of all time, and Ric Flair is a close second. I'm of the opinion that as far as wrestling storylines go there has never been a better booked year than Randy Savage in 1991/92. Starting with his retirement and reconciliation with Elizabeth at Wrestlemania VII and finishing here with winning the title at Wrestlemania VIII. He went from losing his job, to getting married, to being bitten by a cobra on national television, to some maniac slapping his wife, to getting his revenge, to some asshole threatening to reveal nude pictures of his wife, to vanquishing his foe, and becoming the world champion. This match is the crowning achievement of that year of booking. He goes from being the most hated heel in the company to the most sympathetic babyface, and Savage solidified himself as my favorite wrestler to a 10-year-old Supremebve. Based on the action in the ring for this match it is not *****, but what it means to me and how it is a huge part of me becoming a lifelong wrestling fan it is absolutely *****.

So I'm knee deep into 1992 on the Meltzer list and I figured that maybe someone may want to watch some of the matches I review. So starting in 1992 I'm creating a Google doc with the list and links to all the matches I was able to find online. To be honest, I didn't just do this out of the kindness of my heart. I was hoping that someone would notice one of the many matches that don't have links and steer me in the direction of these missing matches. Well here is the link. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mQEPDOO_SEkMjt1dwqVKrNh69cOXJXQJwYDcQJaKJF8/edit?usp=sharing

The veteran combine seems to be about 20 years overdue. There are probably hundreds of guys who were too immature or injured during their first opportunity, and never got another chance. I eagerly await the first feel good, I thought my dream died, comeback story.

The Ray Lewis thing isn't that cut or dry either. The evidence seems to say that he didn't even know those guys. It was basically him and a couple of friends rented a limo, and each of them invited 2 or 3 people each to fill it up. The murderers were basically friends of friends that he didn't even know. I have 3 or 4 friends who have birthdays within a week of mine, and we used to pool all of our separate groups of friends together to minimize costs for our birthday parties. So I understand how you could get caught up in some bullshit based on sharing a limo/VIP section at a club with people you don't realy know. The thing is when you are a famous athlete and people see you with a couple of dudes that kill someone, your name is going to be the first name out of everyone's mouth.The Ray Lewis thing IS pretty cut and dry. One of two things happened: 1) Ray participated in the murders; or 2) Ray knew who committed them. Let's assume #2 is the case. Ray lied to the cops about what he knew, destroyed the suit he was wearing that night, and protected the killers. Whether they were friends or friends of friends doesn't really change how disgusting his actions were. I in no way said he was innocent, but people often refer to him as a murderer, when that is pretty clearly not the case. He handled the situation terribly, to say the least, but that doesn't make him a murderer. The prosecuter later admitted that he charged him with murder in order to get publicity for his reelection. The issue was that all of the witnesses who placed Ray Lewis at the scene testified that not only did they not see Lewis stab anyone, he was actively trying to break up the fight. So when I say it is not cut and dry, I'm talking about people still referring to him as a murderer when there is no evidence whatsoever that he murdered anyone.

The Ray Lewis thing isn't that cut or dry either. The evidence seems to say that he didn't even know those guys. It was basically him and a couple of friends rented a limo, and each of them invited 2 or 3 people each to fill it up. The murderers were basically friends of friends that he didn't even know. I have 3 or 4 friends who have birthdays within a week of mine, and we used to pool all of our separate groups of friends together to minimize costs for our birthday parties. So I understand how you could get caught up in some bullshit based on sharing a limo/VIP section at a club with people you don't realy know. The thing is when you are a famous athlete and people see you with a couple of dudes that kill someone, your name is going to be the first name out of everyone's mouth.

Donte Stallworth shouldn't be on this list. I'm willing to bet that his situation could have happened to each and every one of us. He went out the night, came home and went to sleep, and hit a guy who jumped out in front of him the next day while getting breakfast. He most likely would have been found innocent if it went to trial, but he chose to plead guilty against his lawyers wishes. Ray Lewis is also not as cut and dry as people tend to remember, the prosecuter even said that he charged him with murder despite understanding that he didn't actually commit the murder.

This entire subject is ridiculous. The fact that a thus far imaginary tape, that is almost certainly an extortion plot, being marketed as 5 times worse than Ray Rice is making all of us kind of stupid. We've all essentially made up different stories in our minds about what Dez could have done, when we don't even know he did anything. Ranking crimes based on who and/or what the victim is not really a constuctive conversation. It is a conversation that will always end badly.

I read the last few posts and thought, "I'm not getting involved in that nonsense."