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That you keep bringing up when you were a kid, not any concrete information about drawing or even general voter opinion on work quality, and having to what if based pretty much entirely on your markdom really does little but prove my point that there's no case of note for him. Except neither are in nor will either ever be. That doesn't change that even Luger was able to draw better than Sting opposite a guy like Flair while being booked by the same terrible bookers or that Goldberg, not Sting, was the man on top when WCW was at its business peak.

The argument is that he's Sting and nobody has ever heard of most of the people being inducted. Sting was only a bad draw because of shitty booking. The nWo isn't nearly as big a deal without Sting lurking in the shadows. Move over Gordy List, the "But it's Sting!" case tops all. If Sting was only a bad draw because of booking, a guy like Luger wouldn't have out-drawn him while working with the same guys, with the same quality of booking.

Maybe not quality wise, but Goldberg's short run, until they fucked it up, did WCW's best business and was their peak, even despite going against a white hot WWF product at the time. Meltzer has written about it plenty over the years (often in Sting for HoF "debates" for that matter); dig through some old WONs or WC posts, if you need to.

Brock doesn't deserve to be in either. He didn't get in this year, but if he goes back to UFC and pops some buys, he probably will get in in the future though. Not that that will make any sense. This is fucking dumb. Like...really dumb. It's truth though? I loved Sting growing up too. Doesn't mean his own peers and industry folk view him as an all-time worker (because they clearly don't) or that his drawing was up to snuff enough to counter (because it wasn't). And he wasn't the top face when WCW was at its peak; that was Goldberg.

It's a long dead horse, but there really isn't a solid argument for Sting as a HOFer beyond fan nostalgia.

At the time, Batista was allegedly seen as the next top-top guy too. Merchandise sales and demographic appeal, among other factors, changed things shortly after that show and Cena shot ahead, never to be caught.

You don't have to worry about HHH; they tried to pitch that match last year and Steve basically laughed in their face over it. He had/has no interest on that front.If he comes back, it'll be for Brock (who he's stated several times is the guy who intrigues him most) or Cena.

Nick Hogan was actually training to be a wrestler a few years ago. He picked up some minor injury and decided it wasn't for him after all and quit.

Probably everyone on this board would know who he was if he ever revealed his name.

Er, calling a Samoan man a dumb monkey, right down to acting like an ape for effect, is absolutely racist. Even the most ignorant crusty old white southerner would probably recognize that by now. Not sure why WWE can't and why you think people are overreacting by calling it what it was.

I always wondered where they were going to go with the hobble gobble version when Nash got hurt, as they didn't seem to have any direction at all for them. Were they going to run Triple H/Nash that summer/fall? Re-live the glory of Nash/Big Show as part of a split arc?

According to Lanny, Savage actually wanted and had come up with a multiple WM spanning storyline with Michaels (1994-ish, I think?) and when he pitched it to Vince, Vince pretty much dismissed it out of hand and all but blew him off. Pissed Randy off quite a bit, allegedly.

All the momentum they had going for them coming out of Mania and the post-Mania Raw is beyond gone. Certainly can't fault the crowds for being as dead as they've become lately, not even caring enough to go full "smark."

RVD's only been back for little over a month, but it feels like at least six and that he's due for another break. Hopefully Barrett can survive him for one special event and move on.

If Punk was going to break out in a way that would massively change business, he would have done it in the summer of 2011. The angle was ruined in the end, sure, but even before Triple H and Kevin Nash firmly stepped into it, it's not like he was showing signs of moving numbers in a way that way that would lead anyone to realistically think he could be built into an Austin/Hogan, at least not in the era of media/entertainment consumption we're in.

http://www.businesswire.com/multimedia/home/20140515006611/en/#.U3Vjc5XQcdV Their public spin is that, including key market overseas deals, they're looking at $200M/year now, up from the $160M in the last year of their previous deals and up $90M from the first years of the previously negotiated deals. The stock, meanwhile, is taking a decent hit in after-hours movement given how it's not really close to what WWE had been pushing.

Adam Rose is basically Russell Brand's "Get Him to the Greek" character as a pro wrestler. He got over in his first appearance on his entrance alone. So, of course, they changed it. His original theme and dance were MUCH better. The problem with him is that most of his gimmick is his entrance, so if the crowd just sits there on their hands like they did tonight, he looks like a loser. To be fair to them, they had to change his theme because they didn't have the rights to the song. Now why they even started the gimmick based heavily on the entrance with a song they didn't have the rights to...

BRYAN AND SHIELD ARE BEING BURIED WHAT THE FUCK GUYS I don't see anyone saying Bryan or The Shield are being buried. I see them saying the booking is sucking and isn't likely going to help them do business now or in the future, which isn't some outrageously unfair opinion to have.

What WWE uses as buffer matches are so rarely long enough for the live crowd to get up, hit the concessions, use the restroom, etc though. Paige/Tamina tonight might as well have gone broadway by their standards. If they think they have to have a break, they should go more of a popcorn way, where a match gets a decent amount of time and those involved have a chance to do something with it and if people still choose to leave, sit on their hands, or whatever, so be it. It wouldn't come across as an entire waste of time and them basically purposely throwing whoever is involved to the trash.

Except the crowd was dead for the entrances before the match started at all. Completely dead. And the other HHH/Brock matches, even if they had "better" entrance pops, resulted in HHH getting "You tapped out!" and "Retire!" chants, mixed with awkwardly placed silence, when they were booked to shamelessly put him over as a sympathetic megaface legend. Was that reaction all because of a lack of a buffer match too? Maybe we can blame how that program indisputably damaged Brock as a special attraction draw by the time it was done on how they didn't throw the women to the wolves a couple times more? In front of the typical wrestling crowd, even over the last five years as we've devolved into what WWE crowds are today, a well-executed and laid out match may start out cold, but should ultimately get them back into things somehow. Hell, we saw that a couple weeks ago on Raw, when Barrett/Ziggler got them back or, more relevant to the HHH/Brock situation, how Punk/Jericho worked a match specifically designed to get the crowd back at WM 28, where they started out iced and were really hot by the end.

People didn't "fall asleep" because there wasn't a buffer between stuff the crowd was into and HHH/Brock. HHH/Brock just flat out sucked from the start and the crowd wasn't up to pretending it didn't. There's really little evidence that well booked, well executed wrestling needs buffer matches outside of multiple "big" HHH matches getting crapped on by crowds and WWE needing to find an excuse for it (not that I want to crap on Hunter tonight, as he held up his end in Evolution/Shield).

It's frustrating how much better the promos (or press conference in this case) Bryan cuts on WWENETWORK post shows tend to be than the ones on Raw or SD. From content to charisma, it's almost like a different guy most of the time.

Cena and Bray probably have a good match in them, but they sure as hell didn't have it tonight. I liked what they at least tried to do at Mania, even though they didn't accomplish it well... this was just a mess from all angles and both guys, the feud, came out looking awful. Evolution/Shield was very good, with Batista surprisingly putting in probably the best performance on Evolution's side.

To be fair, WWE decides who the top ten are for the show. The fan vote just basically ranks the ten choices from 10-1.

News is floating around that WWE is being investigated for potential securities laws violations.